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No-one knows what's in those blends, and they don't need to tell you either, as they are clearly labelled not for human consumption. They probably change the chemicals and ratios in them all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly make a really strong blend that causes a lot of freakouts for regular customers.
 
David the Chansey said:
No-one knows what's in those blends, and they don't need to tell you either, as they are clearly labelled not for human consumption. They probably change the chemicals and ratios in them all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly make a really strong blend that causes a lot of freakouts for regular customers.
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What I was asking was if there was a new law that umbrella'd all the legal substances that were similar to marijuana, and the companies were forced to use different substances that were not similar. I'm A Fucking idiot. I already know everything you typed in your post.
 
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Eyes On the Roll said:
What I was asking was if there was a new law that umbrella'd all the legal substances that were similar to marijuana, and the companies were forced to use different substances that were not similar. Fucking idiot, you think you're telling me news.. I already know everything you typed in your post.
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Why not make your own blends? It's ridiculously cheaper, safer, and not that difficult. And there's no need for the hostility. For the record, I'm not aware of any new bans.
 
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From what I've heard they're generally not nearly as safe as the real thing. Many seem to be able to propel one past what cannabis can do in terms of a "high".
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That especially applies to their "trippiness" aspect, which I found can far exceed that of cannabis, and even induce full on tripping.

Regular cannabis users would be well advised to start out with small amounts of synthetics, at first.
 
Smoking AM-2201 Question

I have some pure AM-2201 powder and wanted to smoke it using foil as a screen, basically smoking like a blend and not vaporizing underneath the foil, safe?
 
AM-2201 (1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole) is a research chemical that acts as a potent but non-selective full agonist for the cannabinoid receptor.[source]

I would carefully weigh out some (on a milligram scale if possible) and just smoke it in a self-made cigarette or a small joint because it is found to be active at 500 µg (micrograms) and there some deaths linked to it.
I have tried it myself once and I found it too impairing as opposed to the original JWH (sp?) series, however, the original green stuff is still the best :D

---» Peace o/
 
I have smoked pure powder before with no problem. Dont like cigarrete taste lol. Would it be ok to do it the way i said?, using tin foil as a screen replacement and putting some am-2201 powder on top and lighting the powder directly from the foil.
 
chase it like scag ice thats how i do it or just but in the bowl with some herb or just use a mucky screen but what your saying will work to thing is doing it that way can make it more dangerous iv been told as it burns and release unknow chemicals
 
foolsgold said:
chase it like scag ice thats how i do it or just but in the bowl with some herb or just use a mucky screen but what your saying will work to thing is doing it that way can make it more dangerous iv been told as it burns and release unknow chemicals
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Smoked like this for 2 months, should be worried?
 
I'm experimenting with UR-144 orally over the next few days, I'll be sure to report back. I'm afraid tonight I spilled some of the powder so I'll have to repeat the same dose tomorrow :/
 
quick question. so i get an unsuccessful release from probation+shock time and get served with a warrant saying i didn't show up to court for a hallucinogenic drug charge i don't remember and made me sign shit saying i'd stay clean when they bailed me out and had to stop smoking pot. start buying k2 from a gas station downtown and within 4 or 5 months i'm smoking about a $16 4g bag a day, sounded like i had lung cancer and coughed up big chunks of grey/black/green/yellow shit, which my doctor called chronic bronchitis, and i would wake up early each morning and get violently sick. eventually it got to the point where i had to sneak out back of my work every hour or so and smoke a little just to keep from getting sick and i was throwing up and feeling extremely nauseated for way longer in the mornings. a while ago they changed to new second generation stuff which says it does not contain AM-2201(specifically) or any other illegal blah blah. so i begin to type it into google search and the first things that pop up are about withdrawals, anyone else smoke AM-2201 and experience any of these side effects?? my friend who used to bang heroin said it's just as bad as heroin withdrawal, which is can definitely see although i've never done heroin.
was i just getting some bad batches or did everyone who smoked AM-2201 have such a severe reaction?
 
I used to have extremely severe reactions from am-2201 withdrawal prior to the ban. it took finding a blend which I believe contained a combination of MAM-2201 and UR-144 to be able to successfully make the switch. we are all learning for the first time what these drugs are capable of. I too started smoking them to pass probation tests and I wish my P.O. could have seen me vomitting and sweating, covered in hives as a result of this.

but don't be confused, the reason why you were waking up early and sick was from the blends. that is a very common complaint, your body goes into withdrawal because you obviously can't smoke it while you're asleep.

and chronic bronchitis? more like I-can't-stop-smoking-gas-station-blenditis. I strongly believe if you cease the blend smoking your bronchitis will go away. I used to get chronic pneumonia in high school from smoking newports. since I quit the cigarettes I haven't had it since. It sounds like you are reaching the point where you are seeing the damage this drug is doing to you, so now is the perfect time to make a change. I wish you luck, remember that in a couple weeks if you manage to cease use all together you will feel like a new man (or woman)
 
Well I haven't been getting withdrawals or as bad of a cough with the new stuff they're selling, it says specially that is does not contain that. Is am-2201 the only research chemical with such severe effects the only one they're using in k2 or are there others I'm not aware of?? Anyone know what chemicals are being used currently?? I know mam-2201 is definitely one but what else??
 
I will never understand these posts...

With hundreds, if not thousands by now, posts exactly like yours.... How have you not taken the time to search for these questions?

Cease. Using. The only success stories I hear from people proclaiming near-death like symptoms from chronic use is CEASING TO USE THAT BULLSHIT.

Nobody knows what RC is being used. This is why we stress avoiding pre-packaged bullshit. They even have been found to have used RUN OFF RC material - AKA TOXIC WASTE. Why in christ's name would you ever go anywhere near that shit? Those pre-packaged blends are fucking you up, and you only seem to give a shit about getting high legally. You know the risk you are taking now, and you should have informed yourself prior. The information has been here, right on the front page.
 
Update on oral UR-144 (not dissolved, just pure powder): 5mg gave mild effects, but they were definitely not placebo. I felt very relaxed, sociable, and laughable. It gave me a boost in mood (which is far from low anyway, so that says a lot). I've just eaten 10mg and I will be sure to post my experience here.

This better not give me an overwhelming experience anything like 10mg of AM-2201 orally gave me...
 
Chainer said:
I will never understand these posts...

With hundreds, if not thousands by now, posts exactly like yours.... How have you not taken the time to search for these questions?

Cease. Using. The only success stories I hear from people proclaiming near-death like symptoms from chronic use is CEASING TO USE THAT BULLSHIT.

Nobody knows what RC is being used. This is why we stress avoiding pre-packaged bullshit. They even have been found to have used RUN OFF RC material - AKA TOXIC WASTE. Why in christ's name would you ever go anywhere near that shit? Those pre-packaged blends are fucking you up, and you only seem to give a shit about getting high legally. You know the risk you are taking now, and you should have informed yourself prior. The information has been here, right on the front page.
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i have actually it's just kind of hard to find reliable information about this shit and i can only ever find out about shit after they sack it on google, i figured i'd ask on this thread as i'd assume at least a few people here know at least something. i looked through the first few pages and only found stuff on the old stuff they used, and idk what to search for in terms of the new ones cuz idk so i thought it wouldn't hurt to ask? this IS the thread for it, correct??
chill out bro you're usually butthurt when you post it seems like lol life is too short to carry that negative energy around.
 
haveyoufoundgod said:
i have actually it's just kind of hard to find reliable information about this shit and i can only ever find out about shit after they sack it on google, i figured i'd ask on this thread as i'd assume at least a few people here know at least something. i looked through the first few pages and only found stuff on the old stuff they used, and idk what to search for in terms of the new ones cuz idk so i thought it wouldn't hurt to ask? this IS the thread for it, correct??
chill out bro you're usually butthurt when you post it seems like lol life is too short to carry that negative energy around.
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Tagged as "do not help." You are new here I realize, but I've posted several pages, videos, information graphs, charts, studies, etc on these synthetics alone. I'm a mod, and have been for a long time here. Imagine reading the same questions over and over again, having answered them thousands of times, and then people refuse to search for information you have already posted, or refuse to read things on the front page like:

FAQ:

Questions You Should Not Ask:

1) What is in blend "XYZ".
-We don't know. Vendors will not give out this information as it opens them up to lawsuit. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH safer to use RCs when you know what fucking RC you are ingesting.
The distributor isn't going to tell you what's in it, and I'm not going to pay for GC/MS on a blend, I don't know about you. I don't think that there's an easy reagent test a la Marquis that could be used to differentiate cannabinoids easily (the existing reagents might be able to, but stoners are lazy so no-one's bothered to find out). What would be the real HR value anyway, given that all of the drugs in these blends are totally unresearched? There are also a huge number of these blends, if we were going to start somewhere it would be the various Spice and K2 blends, not some obscure blend you bought in your local area. If you really want to know what you're putting in your body, stay away from propietary blends and make your own from known amounts of cannabinoids and herbs that you acquire, pure, yourself, or, better yet, smoke cannabis.

2) "I am having XYZ side effects. What could this be caused by?
- Likely by ingesting an unknown chemical that we cannot possibly help you identify.

3) "Are these drugs safe?"
- We do not know. We will not know for some time. Perhaps we will never know for sure. There is very little information about the large majority of these RCs.
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The questions you are asking have already been addressed. These companies will not release what they are putting in their blends.

I hope you realize you have no idea what you are putting in your body, and these companies could give a shit what side effects you get, as they can just say 'we had no intention of any user smoking our blends."

I do not get paid, compensated, or recognition for the help I do, the work I put in keeping these forums clean, setting up these threads for you to use and easily organize information. In fact, I generally get insulted for my help by new users who have been here for little time at all, much in the way you just did. It is a very thankless job with no benefits beyond being able to help spread the best information possible and reduce harm among a community I am very much a part of. People find it very easy to become assholes when they don't get the exact answer they want.
 
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okay and i understand that, noted, but i wasn't asking about a certain blend, i was asking what chemicals are now being used as replacements for AM-2201 and other nasty shit. out of all these people here somebody is bound to have at least a little information on that, maybe knows somebody who makes it and sells it and therefore knows what chemicals are available for use/cheapest? understand that i certainly did not refuse to search as i spend most of last night and this morning doing research on various things.
 
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