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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

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I think it could be possible that the blend you smoked may have caused your head ache since, as everyone else said, you really cannot trust whats in them. They have been known to cause a range of nasty side effects and i found them to be wayyyyy harsher on my lungs than pot. I got such a terrible cough when i was smoking them.

But since you flushed it down the toilet and don't plan on smoking it again, and because you only smoked it a few times, you should be fine. In most cases these nasty sympoms go away fairly quickly after you stop using the product. I smoked them very heavily for a period of time and was getting head aches, having trouble staying asleep and had a nasty cough which all went away within a week or two.

Merging with the Cannabinoids mega thread....
 
guys stay away from that junk i have a few buddies who puke and puke until they get that bullshit into there body its sad like a heroin addict like wdf smoke real or stay stilll
 
This stuff is no joke. I have experienced and seen many others experience very scary reactions to smoking these blends. A few months after I started smoking this stuff (about a year and a half ago) I noticed than myself and many others were having reactions unlike anything I've seen with cannabis. I normally smoked that stuff when I couldn't find bud or a friend had it, so it never became a daily thing for me.

A friend of mine smoked it for the first time on the way to a concert a few hours away. Less than five minutes after toking, he became nauseous and puked about a dozen times, filling up two Mcd's large sweet tea cups. He didn't talk for about 30 or 45 minutes, all he did was stare at the cup he had been puking in. This was only after 2 hits of a blend a friend and I had smoked several occasions before.

Another time I saw three friends of a friend go almost psychotic after smoking a joint of another blend. All three of them had prior experience with synthetic cannabinoids. All three of them ended up violently puking, one was sitting in a car not saying a word, one was hunched over battling nausea, and the other way running around yelling to take him to the hospital. I left around this time and later figured out that one of them had been driving home about 45 minutes afterwards and ran off the road and into a fence.

Another time I came to a friends house right after they had smoked a bowl of a blend. They were all acting unusually high. One girl started screaming and said "make it stop" and fell to the ground. She ended up leaving soon after. Another friend started laughing manically and started wobbling around like he was drunk, he grabbed a chair and fell down with it. He landed on the ground and started convulsing and puking, he was completely unconscious and was smacking his hands around in his own puke. After about 30 minutes he started to regain consciousness and begain laughing. He didn't know what had happened and as he explained it he was "flying through a vortex."

After witnessing these events and experiencing myself panic attacks that were more physically and mentally intense than many of my "bad trips" on high dose psychedelics I no longer use these substances. They're no joke. If you're going to use them, tread with extreme caution, especially with all these new chemicals being made to bypass the upcoming federal ban.
 
Which Synthetic Cannabinoid do you think is most like weed?

I'm hoping this doesn't constitute a "what should I take" thread", but if it does, I understand if it gets closed.

First off, I know that no synthetic cannabinoid is going to be exactly like weed, I'm just looking for what people think is most similar. I'm basically looking for something still legal in the US, without visuals, with minimal side effects, and that I can run or bike on. I know that this is asking for a lot (probably too much) from a synthetic cannabinoid, but I'm about to start probation and I would like to have something for the next year. And of course, I am going to do research on any suggestions, before I decide whether or not to buy it. I can go without smoking anything if I have to, but I'd rather not if I can find something that fits my needs.
 
I don't know about legality in the US, but I'll give my 2c on the Cannabinoids I've tried.

JWH-073 - Feels like a strong sativa but was too paranoid and anxious, felt too strong to be regular weed, and wore off rather fast, with most/all of the effects gone in 2-3 hours. (My highs usually last 5-6+ even with other synthetics)
JWH-081 - Feels like a strong indica, felt very much like regular weed with the munchies, giggles, horniness etc that weed brings about. Downside with this one is even though I have a very low tolerance I was usually vaping an absolute minimum of 10mg a time, I imagine someone with a tolerance might have to vape 30-40mg+ for a good strong high. This one lasts about the same length as weed (5-6+ hours) for me.
AM-2201 - Feels like a nice balanced hybrid, leaning more on the indica side, but less pronounced than JWH-081. Feels very strong, it's very to overdose with this one if your tolerance is low and your scales aren't accurate to SUB-MG ranges. Even 0.5mg is a good dose with this for many people. Very economical and I enjoy the high as it's very euphoric. Downside is this high is a very lazy one and I often sit there doing nothing I originally planned on doing. This one also lasts about the same as weed for me, occasionally a bit shorter with lower doses, but can last much longer with high ones.
AM-694 - Smoked this in a blend that was an AM-2201/AM-694 blend, the blend seemed to hit very strong at first, but then leave a much milder high after the first 45-60 minutes. Given that AM-2201 lasts a long time for me, I suspect that means this blend was mostly AM-694, and that AM-694 has a very short duration. Much preferred AM-2201 on its own for the duration, though for the first 45-60 minutes this high was awesome.
AM-2233 - Smoked this in an AM-2201/AM-2233 blend when I was drunk. Didn't feel a lot different from regular AM-2201, albeit maybe a little weaker than if it had been a pure AM-2201 blend. Can't really comment much other than that on the effects.

I'd suggest JWH-081 or AM-2201, but if you're looking to run/bike on them, you MUST have an accurate scale and keep the doses low, especially with AM-2201.
 
I've only ever tried JWH-018 but I've been told that the closest to weed is blending different synthetics together.
 
marie420 said:
Synthetic marijuana, such as the two packages shown, were banned on Thursday in New York City and state by the city and state Health Departments.
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There will always be more blends and more synthetic cannabinoids being created. In fact there are still dozens that are still legal. It is very easy to find the raw chems if you crawl around the internet for a while. No source discussion though. So you make your own blend, or wait a week for your local store to stock a new legal blend. Easy enough.
 
Would like to know if anyone has had luck vaping JWH-018 (or other) in an e-cig portable vaporizer.

I've been searching around and found some pointers, and some people saying that it works, but would like more details of suggested e-cig model, etc...

Thanks.
 
China& India seems to have no problem sending raw chemicals such as synthetic cannabinoids to the USA. Although it is a bit risky. As curioushat said it just takes a little searching. I have used an array of Different synthetic chemicals, they all seem to feel so unnatural, hard on the body, like the high is missing something. Needless to say I have never wasted or gaven away drugs untill I came across these chems.
 
Synthetic cannabanoids

So I have a question regarding synthetic cannabonoids... I've had a few in the past that cause extreme paranoia and are unenjoyable as well as unsafe I feel but I had one once that felt great... however they were store bought and I have no idea what chemicals were in any of them

Which ones have you guys experienced that are best to stay sway from
 
I've tried marinol. I felt light headed but not in a pleasant way. It did help with some body pain I was having but that's not why I tried it. Over all, the effect felt narcotic unlike just smoking a joint. To be honest I think these synthetic cannabinoids are a cash grab and a cop out from decriminalization and medicalization of real cannabis. I won't touch the synthetic stuff anymore because it's not the same and it doesn't come from nature. Your body will process it differently than if you ingested a genuine plant. That doesn't mean natural is always healthy, but for my own constitution it's less harsh on my liver. Pharmaceuticals always unpleasantly fuck me up.
 
Listening said:
Would like to know if anyone has had luck vaping JWH-018 (or other) in an e-cig portable vaporizer.

I've been searching around and found some pointers, and some people saying that it works, but would like more details of suggested e-cig model, etc...

Thanks.
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Yes, it works, but use less lipophillic compounds. JWH-200 probably works quite well. Not sure what other ones that are commonly available will dissolve adequately; i've only seen it work with exotic ones.
 
I personally like UR-144. It seems to be one of the less anxiogenic ones. I cannot stand AM-2201 because everytime after using it, I'm furiously biting away at my nails with racing thoughts.

JWH-081 is pretty nice and mild. With it, you have a bit more freedom with the dosage. This isn't to say its safe or to not use a scale but smoking more than you intended with the JWH-081 doesn't seem to be as severe as overusing, say, JWH-210.

JWH-210 is one of my favorites but this stupid fuck put too much on the foil and it ended up lasting forever where I was incredibly dissosciated. The negative experiences seem to come from overdoing it. I'm not saying the blends are safe whatsoever, just to say that when you get a new blend, take a tiny hit and wait a bit. Progressively smoke a little more each time until you find how many hits will get you to your sweet spot.

The blend I smoked most recently only requires 2 hits. Any more and I feel a bit nauseous and uncomfortable.
 
Marinol has THC in it, synthetics don't. I think our man here wants another answer.

Dude, just stay the fuck away from substitutes. Why waste money when you can have the real thing
 
We have a mega-thread that is dedicated to the discussion of synthetic cannabinoids. I'm going to merge this thread with that as we prefer you not to create a new thread when there is already a mega thread on that topic.

The current Mega-thread is still rather young, but take a few min. to find the old ones in out archives. Its full of reviews of the diff. cannabinoids. But i recommend you stay away from the blends you find in stores, there is no way to know what people put in those.
 
A-796,260 Dosage ?

Noticed no human data on this compound. Suspect it will be largely psychedelically inactive but maybe slightly anaesthetic. I have some here but don't have a clue how to start dosing, what dose, what admin route would be safest for a new compound, etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-796,260
A-796,260 is a drug developed by Abbott Laboratories that acts as a potent and selective cannabinoid CB2 receptor agonist. Replacing the aromatic 3-benzoyl or 3-naphthoyl group found in most indole derived cannabinoids with the 3-tetramethylcyclopropylmethanone group, imparts significant selectivity for CB2, and A-796,260 was found to be a highly selective CB2 agonist with little affinity for CB1, having a CB2 Ki of 0.77nM vs 2,100nM at CB1.[1][2] It has potent analgesic and anti-inflammatory actions in animal models, being especially effective in models of neuropathic pain, but without producing cannabis-like behavioral effects.[3]
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Maybe start with vaping 100ug and slowly work up from there ? Or just leave it alone ?
 
I doubt anybody here has personal experience with this compound. I personally wouldn't knowingly choose to be the first person to try something, but if I did I would take it very steady. Vaping 100ug sounds fairly steady, but tbh you could dose lower, and you definitely should if it's the first experience with the compound...You don't know what might happen.

Tell us how it goes.

Also moving over to CD since this is a cannabinoid.
 
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