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I find before the tolerance build up 1mg is like smoking some really strong weed for 30-40 minutes before you get the short afterglow. so like 1 gram of AM-2201 would be like 25 grams or so of weed on someone with no tolerance, not sure how that would actually work out, because it feels that strong but for a very shortened time. the body load on it is a lot more intense than weed as well.
 
Please can some experienced home blend makers offer some help/advice here ??

My first couple of attempts at making my own blends have been pretty disasterous. First time i tried the atomiser i used didnt have a hole in it for the liquid to squirt through, i didnt notice this until after it was filled with acetone and ur-144, and wondered why nothing was coming out !! :o. Ended up getting in a right mess trying to screw holes into it with screws and a screw driver. (The plastic was too tough for drawing pins etc to penetrate it, if id had a vice i could have put the squirty thing in that and drilled a nice neat little hole in it, but i dont have a fuckin vice)

After my complete ham fisted butchering of the squirter trying to make a hole, the liquid didnt squirt so much as just dribble down the side of the bottle. What a fuckin mess,. Ended up just taking the top of the bottle and adding random drops of liquid all over my tray of herbs, and then mixing and mixing by hand for ages and ages and ages (probably atleast 20- 30 minutes - i dont like the idea of wasting 500mg of good chemical, and dont believe in giving up on anything if there is any possibilty of salavaging anything from a wreckage). After 48 hrs evaporation time ive put the 'herbal potpori' into a large airtight container, and give it a damn good and long shake every now and then to mix it more and more. Maybe i should add the 'pori bit by bit to a blender, and blend the fuck out of all of it. That should give it a thorough mix, right ? I have no idea if this is going to be at all smokeable, or just full of hotspots and inert spots.

I got a second replacement vaporiser off the company. This one did work on a pre-test with water only.

Next thing to happen; I broke my new 0.000 mg scales weighing out some mam2201. That stuff is so clingy, loads of it ended up all over my scales and weighing tray, i had the 'bright' idea of using fresh Damiana to wipe up and absorb the residue off the scales and tray, alas doing that has broken the scales. Yes i switched the scale off to do that, possibly the mam2201 got into the scale and broke it that way, i dont know -what i do know is that was £8 down the drain but im going to be re-ordering the same scale again today, as it was a very good and cheap one.

Anyway, the mam2201 and acetone mix blocked up my new replacement atomiser after one just squirt. Conclusion: this brand of 50ml atomiser is not fit for the purpose i want it for. Ended up using a 2ml syringe to remove the liquid from the 50 ml atomiser bottle and transferring it to a 100ml atomiser id bought elsewhere as a back up. Yes this one works much better, no blockages. 2ml of acetone doesnt go very far though does it !! ??? Cant one just use 10 ml of water or something - (id be prepared to wait how ever long it takes for the water to evaporate or dry off ???)

Any comments or suggestions please ?????????
 
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JackiesBabyy said:
Yeah, AM-2201 addiction was horrid. Tolerance gets sky high. After being high all day every day for months, you won't need to smoke sub 1mg doses to get blazed, you'll need 50-100mg at a time, and even that will feel weak.

I smoked AM-2201 every 30 minutes for a few months. Only the first one of the day actually felt really good, the others were just to make me not feel like shit for the rest of the day. Towards the end I went through over 2g of PURE powder per day. Quit before you get to this point, it only took a month or so from where I was until weed actually felt like something again. Sorry to sound preachy, but seriously, AM-2201 addiction was far worse than a moderate opiate habit (large oxycodone oral doses) and a RC stim habit. As for being carcinogenic, I had myself checked for all kinds of cancers and conditions since quitting and I'm totally fine, but maybe I just got lucky. If anything, try a weaker synthetic cannabinoid like JWH-250.

Preachy part over. I've looked all over for info on it's half life but found nothing, I'd assume pretty short considering the high only lasts 15-20 minutes.
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Using the pure form is very different from smoking a blend. I have seen the long term effects of blend use & it isn't near as bad.
btw why didn't you just get a couple of dif cannabinoids & not use the same one all the time?
 
I've tried AM-2201 orally over the past 4 nights, via peanut butter sandwich. An overdose for me was 10mg. I was shaking uncontrollably, and had to lay down and listen to music for 3 hours during the peak. Time felt extremely slow, I'd say about 3x slower than normal. My heart was beating right up to ~180mg, with occasional palpitations. My body was very hot, and sometimes it was hard to breathe. I honestly thought I was going to die, either from a heart attack or from lack of oxygen from breathing. It was a bad experience for me, but I kept as calm as I could and just concentrated on the music, which at the time felt like an eternity.

The 3 other times I did 5mg. The effects are moderate in strength, feels like a strong body high, and slightly a head high too. But all those 3 times (even the time before I OD'd) I had extreme anxiety. I couldn't stop thinking about death, and now I am anxious and almost depressed. I'm going to see if I feel any better over the next few days (without any AM-2201, of course) but I haven't felt this depersonalized since I OD'd on MDMA and had complete insomnia of that night.

I have read many posts from people having hard times with this drug, and I am now one of them. My anxiety may be due to very low tolerance, but I have decided this is not a drug for me, and this is the first time I've managed to accept that and move on. I can't be bothered to try to like this substance, and this is the last straw in showing me that cannabinoids (and cannabis) just don't get along with me.
 
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lcrlover said:
Is this for the same reason my roomy does?
He buys cheap ineffective product & winds up using it all the time!
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Its very likely... ive only ever got blends... never pure product and measured doses... so it very well could be but idk... way stronger than herb... most anyways... the weaker ones are kinda better... when i was smoking the.diablo id wake up at niht every couple hours and puke and have to smoke anoyher bowl to cure the nausea and get back to sleep.... now i can go all day without smoking and the niht too even as lon as i have a benzo to pop to help me fall asleep
 
SPICE: Making it!:)

Everybodys got their reciepie! whats yours? What Rc do you use? What do you dissolve it in? What do you dose it on?
 
Someone got a link to chainer's recipe? Best step-by-step I've ever seen around here for making your own synthetic herbal blends...
 
so I used a blend that I was convinced contained UR-144 and/or 5F-UR-144 (due to their unique effect profile+duration+inability for cb1 agonists to touch the withdrawal) for months until eventually it became too expensive. I've been on suboxone 8mg a day and used to have to divert another 8mg a day just to afford blends. I bought some of the above mentioned chemicals and I just have such little control over redosing it is getting out of hand. I have been using close to one gram of UR-144 or 5F-UR-144 daily for months. I can't function without it, and when I have it if I don't take hits every now and then I will start throwing up everywhere. Things like court dates, dentist appointments, etc are becoming nearly impossible to keep, I'll either be in deep withdrawal, or if I'm holding I will lack the motivation to do anything besides smoke and watch netflix.

I understand that this isn't that outrageous of a response for the amount of potent drugs I've been ingesting. If I had the choice I would go through the next couple days without suboxone instead of noids, because I literally find the withdrawal to be much harder to deal with.

I have noticed interesting paradoxical withdrawal effects when discontinuing use that I think I'm the first to report on. In the early stages of withdrawal I start to feel pretty serious mania coming on (like amphetamine mania). Comparable to the mania right after that package shows up on my door step. I also noticed that with UR it is easier to manage a lower dose/taper, like the compulsion to redose is stronger with the 5F addition. Interestingly enough I also find the withdrawal fro 5F-UR to be much more physical, causing horrid wretching and heaving. I'm still in the fairly early stages of withdrawal right now, took my last hit this morning. It's possible the withdrawal could be just as bad, but so far I'm not seeing it.

anybody with similar experiences?

edit: I think the mania might have a lot to do with the fact my brain has been constantly stoned for months, so after a couple hours as my mind realizes how clean and refreshing it is to be sober I can actually catch some nice euphoria before the physical symptoms kick in.

sucks I have a syringe full of MDA in my desk drawer and since no blends it would be an unpleasant waste of time and material (serotonin too). When I do get stocked up I'm definitely planning on getting nice and sassy in the near future.
 
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synth-cannabinoid abuse activating dormant mental disorders?

I was a heavy synth-noid user (gas station blends upwards of 1-2g a day for 2 years) I went cold turkey 2.5 weeks ago and was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder/bipolar disorder yesterday...since stopping I have days of extreme mania/euphoria with 2-3 hour periods of anxiety/paranoia/suicidal thoughts culminating in 2 ER visits. I was prescribed zyprexa 5mg and after the first dose it made me feel like absolute shit, so i flushed the rest of it.

My question is: can long-term synth noid abuse have caused/contributed to my mental state? will longer time off noids help settle my unstable mental state?
 
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I tried some UR-144 yesterday, it was like the first time I got high all over again. I think I still prefer normal weed though, but I can't pin point why?
 
^Yeah, that's what I think too. I've never heard that slang before but I think synth-noid = synthetic cannabinoid. (Either that or it's some type of robot ;)). This is why it's good to use proper names for drugs and not abbreviations or slang .

So I'll move this BDD -> Cannabis Discussion.

As to the questions,

can long-term synth noid abuse have caused/contributed to my mental state?
Yes, definitely.

will longer time off noids help settle my unstable mental state?
Yes. That doesn't necessarily mean you will completely return to your previous state - although that's not to say you won't either - but it should at least help. You may be suffering withdrawal symptoms or some sort of psychosis brought on by the drug, both of which should improve over time. But if it was in fact the trigger for a mental disorder you were predisposed to it may not resolve. Only time will tell. I would suggest being honest with your doctor if you can in order to receive better care, but most doctors don't really know much about synthetic cannabinoids. Who even knows what was in these "blends".
 
With only 2.5 weeks off, I think its too soon to diagnose a mental disorder. My guess is that its part of the withdrawal syndrome from a CB1 full agonist.
 
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