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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

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My question is: can long-term synth noid abuse have caused/contributed to my mental state? will longer time off noids help settle my unstable mental state?



My answer is: most likely and most likely.

Honestly, we don't have concrete info on most, if not all, of the synthetic cannabinoids available to the public. I'm going the logical route, though, and thinking that if legitimate cannabinoids can aggravate mental illnesses/conditions you may be predisposed to, then synthetic cannabinoids most likely will do the same thing. Also, and in my experience, I've noticed that negative effects of habitual pot smoking subsides over time once you've stopped using. Again, I'd venture to say that the same holds true for the synthetic cannabinoids that were created to mimic the effects of the "real" ones.



Granted, it's not a definite answer but I honestly think you'll be hard-pressed to find anything definitive on this subject that's based in fact.
 
I love UR-144, from the firs time I tried a blend that contained it I haven't been able to enjoy any other cannabanoid. If I smoked am2201 or 210 I would be puking again. I ran out of UR yesterday after making a gram last a day or 2 longer then it should. Normally by now I would be extremely sick, bu I think because I stretched it a little the withdrawals aren't as bad as they usually are. Thing is the stuff is so cheap and available that I want to quit but not nearly as much as I want to reup.

I'm worried if I decide not to order more I'll be in bed all week and my family gets very concerned when I detox from noids. My mother is convinced I have suboxone induced gastro parisis, I want to just tell her no it's because I can't stop getting high.
 
If you have this large a stock at your disposal, maybe you should try tapering the dose?
Use less each time, but just enough to not go in withdrawl. I think if you do this for 4weeks you'll be able to quit, and after maybe just use it here and there to get high.

I have only tried JWH182 so I can't speak for your individual case but I believe that's a general principle.
 
I have no stock at my disposal. I usually order 4-5 grams a week, shows up on a friday and I run out by Tuesday and every week is spent scrambling to find money. I just ran out of suboxone today, have a script waiting at cvs but I can't even afford to pick that up. I'm fucked, but at this point I think I'm over the worst of it and am considering the option of actually quitting.

the sick part about it is that by the time the drugs show up, I've already been through the worst of the withdrawals and am starting to feel better. I am so sick of the shit but if I had money right now I know I would order some.
 
^I've heard of way more psychosis and withdrawal symptoms from synthetic cannabinoids than from cannabis.

So have I, and I feel like that further proves my point. I wasn't saying one was more likely than the other to aggravate any conditions or illnesses that a person may be predisposed to, I was just stressing the similarities between naturally occurring cannabinoids and synthetic ones.


Truthfully, I feel like synth's are a bit more dangerous but I only have anecdotal information on that and nothing to legitimize my feelings concerning them.
 
wasnt a fan of AM-2201. it is almost psychedelic in an uncomfortable way.

mixed with MXE i had 3D visuals, an inability to make sense of plotlines, and had to lay down with my eyes closed for nearly 20minutes before i could even go back to watching the movie.
 
I have heard of other blend makers using distilled water, as their solvent to spray the cannabinoid onto te herb...Any body here tried that with any success ?What kind of ratios did you use ?

(Why is is so hard/impossible to get an answer out of anyone on this section of BL ? :? Do you have to be known, or 'in' or 'connected' befor people start responding to you ? Or am i just not asking the right questions ? Thts seemed to be the mistake i was making on EADD, get the tone or content of your message wrong, and it gets ignored, but get it right and you get plenty of reponses.

I have always found OtherDrugs to be avery helpful sub forum on BL - I usually get several answers to any questions asked there very quickly,...<3). I think anything i asked there about CBDS would be moved here though to sit on the shelf forever ignored and gathering dust (voiloins please)

I dont think id be welcome in ADD, as i sadly dont have the necessary grounding of the several pHDs and BSCs in neurochemistry, physiology, chemisty and phamacology ,.,Ans all the oher reated and connected fields, that seem to be a prerequisite. I do have a humble desmond in Psycholgy, which may give me an iota of credibilty, though probably not. They are a high and mighty and arrogant bunch over there though arent they, and that's just the Mods ! :sus: 8(
 
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Ive also been hunting high and low for this legendary post TNA, has it been removed ? :|

Been trying on and off, to find this for days this post to no avail. THe BL FTSE isnt much help, i gather the post is sonewere in the 1st synthetic cannabinoid megathread, but chainer has about 100 posts to wade throuh on that thread.. 8( Google search isnt much much better though it at least lead me to this yuu tube clip which was a good start, i think. Comapared to the diddly squat i knew beforehand, agter watching this i felt it looked easy enough to have a go)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEAYkhdvbIQ

(Mods sorry if im no sposed too be posting this but the lack of help or advice form people that know what they're doing isn't helping my cause much - especially considering how often people have been encouraged to make their blends i cant really understand the lack of help.advice.suggestions when people attempt to do so, (Right ive had my whinge now, so i'll not be saying any more on the matter)

Any comments on this you tube guys tek ? His " a couple of mg" of acetone seems to go a lot futher and looks to be a lot more than my precisely measured 2ml did 8(

Ive heard about using distilled water as the solvent, I dont see any problem other than impatience if it takes longer to dry or evapoate, just seems safer all round ?
 
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I have heard of other blend makers using distilled water, as their solvent to spray the cannabinoid onto te herb...Any body here tried that with any success ?What kind of ratios did you use ?

High quality acetone is best. Perhaps rather than spraying, if it's for your own use just make a small amount of blend at a time. I usually do the following:

1. Dissolve noid in acetone in a small glass/metal bowl (actually use an old snus tin)
2. Add appropriate amount of solid matter of choice (usually a couple of grams)
3. Add a bit more acetone if need be so there's a little solvent sloshing around (i.e., solid matter is saturated)
4. Mix around and squash matter whilst allowing acetone to evaporate
5. Once it starts to look 'drier', allow to sit for a few mins then mix again
6. Repeat 5 until acetone appears to be gone.
7. Allow to air dry to ensure acetone is gone turning the blend over to expose to air.

I use tobacco as the base, a small glass bowl to work with, and a metal spatula to mix. No need to bother spraying blah blah. Works great, as I know roughly the amount of tobacco-noid to add to a normal rollie (~100mg). You can adjust the amount of noid to vary strength - as a lightweight, I usually go for 50mg UR144 in 2 gram tobacco. This gives around 2.5mg of noid per 100mg.
 
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High quality acetone is best. Perhaps rather than spraying, if it's for your own use just make a small amount of blend at a time. I usually do the following:

1. Dissolve noid in acetone in a small glass/metal bowl (actually use an old snus tin)
2. Add appropriate amount of solid matter of choice (usually a couple of grams)
3. Add a bit more acetone if need be so there's a little solvent sloshing around (i.e., solid matter is saturated)
4. Mix around and squash matter whilst allowing acetone to evaporate
5. Once it starts to look 'drier', allow to sit for a few mins then mix again
6. Repeat 5 until acetone appears to be gone.
7. Allow to air dry to ensure acetone is gone turning the blend over to expose to air.

I use tobacco as the base, a small glass bowl to work with, and a metal spatula to mix. No need to bother spraying blah blah. Works great, as I know roughly the amount of tobacco-noid to add to a normal rollie (~100mg). You can adjust the amount of noid to vary strength - as a lightweight, I usually go for 50mg UR144 in 2 gram tobacco. This gives around 2.5mg of noid per 100mg.

Thanks for the helpful reply. Roughly how many ml of acetone would you ude for your 50 mg of ur144 in 2 gram of tobacco ? my first efforts were on the light-weight side too, used about 460 mg of ur144 to a total of 25 g of damiana and mullein. (Just to clarify this is strictly for my own use, although it might seems like a lrage quantity i have no itention of dealing, i was basically just halving the doses the guy used on the you tube clip for the sake of simplicity, + no harm in having plenty of entirely legal componds in storage for a rainy day. When i get better at calculating doses i will probaly end up doing the same as yourself Mela, and just make 1 or 2 g of blend at a time.

I had to use more than 2ml acetone in the end as it just dint go far enough. I then added a coupleof handfuls of fresh damiana and mullein to the tray, and mixed and mixed for ages to hopefully ensure i ended up wityh a blend on the mild side. Im a lightweight too and am m not too keen on those premade blends where you take a pinch, throw half of it straight back into the container and just collect a fewspecs of the blends's stallks/leaves etc and add tehm to your joint (just 5 or 6 specks for me - i guess i really am i lightweight, unless that stuff really is extremely potent, or maybe i got a real hot spot in my order.

I think that pre made belnd i bough contained am2201 and had something else too,which may have been am694. I find that blend makes me prone to 'out of control thought; paranoia, anxiety, the whole works of ehat you dont want basically. So I havent been using it much. NEVER touch it without preloading on etizolams, which certainly helps a lot .

By luck raher than judgement the strength of my first attempt at a home made blend seems to have turned out just about right for my tastes. One single skinner and im wasted (i should stick to half a J, but im a greedy drug pig. :\), but no anxiety attacks, which is what one would hope for from weed.. Stll taking etiz before hand though trying to cut back on them.

I have also repeated the same process for a mamm2201 blend. Gonna try a bit of that on its own soon, when im sure all the acetone's gone, i believe i can still smell it, even though it's had a good 3 days now sitting on a baking tray in the open air,...Then after that, im gonna mix an equal amount of my MAM blend with my UR blend in a container, mix the fuck out of it, maybe even blend the fuck out of to ensure an even mix. Looking forward to sampling both of these.

I must say i much prefer this newer range of 'noids, they seem to be much lower risk for inducing th panic, anxiety and paranoia to which i was badly prone on the older noids and real skunk etc. So far UR144 doesnt seem to be causing any worrying 'loosing control of thoughts', racing thoughts, anxiety or paranoia. Jusut a pleasently wasted feelng. %)

It's looking like im going to be going back formore, I really want to be getting this etizolm thing under more control first though. I;ve already started tapering down on the amount of etizolams consumed before a ur144 session. Quite a way to go yet though.
 
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Yeah, UR144 is a pretty awesome noid. Might try a mix with the 5F variant soon.

Anyway, as I'm only making a couple of grams at a time, less than 10mls of acetone would do the job. I generally just add a few mls to the noid and dissolve. Then add the solid, quickly mix around, squishing etc. Then just add a bit more acetone if necessary (just to ensure there's a little liquid sloshing around when mixing). Essentially acetone evaporates quickly, so if I take a bit too much time between dissolving noid and adding solid matter, the acetone can reduce in volume quickly and the solvent doesn't saturate (so I generally weigh everything out ready for mixing).

Works great for my purposes, and it's no more than a once weekly job for me.
 
Yeah, UR144 is a pretty awesome noid. Might try a mix with the 5F variant soon.

Anyway, as I'm only making a couple of grams at a time, less than 10mls of acetone would do the job. I generally just add a few mls to the noid and dissolve. Then add the solid, quickly mix around, squishing etc. Then just add a bit more acetone if necessary (just to ensure there's a little liquid sloshing around when mixing). Essentially acetone evaporates quickly, so if I take a bit too much time between dissolving noid and adding solid matter, the acetone can reduce in volume quickly and the solvent doesn't saturate (so I generally weigh everything out ready for mixing).

Works great for my purposes, and it's no more than a once weekly job for me.

Thnaks for sharing bud.
 
No worries. I suppose the only issue you might have is the difference in base solids. I'm pretty experienced using tobacco to blend, never used damiana etc - but I'm sure after a few tries you'd get it perfect.

Have fun!

Not having any trouble with damiana. It's actually easier to work with than tobacco i find, as its less clumpy and stringy, and seperates very easily, Mullein tends to contain quite big chunks and stalks, so once i get my kitchen cleaned, im gonna be slicing though that stuff on my chopping board, to get it cut down to smaller more consistenttly sized pieces. I dont think the huge chunks of bark that come with it are going to smoke very well .. ;lol
 
Ive also been hunting high and low for this legendary post TNA, has it been removed ? :|

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Any comments on this you tube guys tek ? His " a couple of mg" of acetone seems to go a lot futher and looks to be a lot more than my precisely measured 2ml did 8(

Ive heard about using distilled water as the solvent, I dont see any problem other than impatience if it takes longer to dry or evapoate, just seems safer all round ?


I would only use chemically pure acetone, from a chem supply rather than a hardware store. If it is chemically as pure as possible I don't see any problem with it, since it evaporates quickly and IF pure without pretty much any residue at all. I for example clean everything with acetone, sinks, my bong everything and it works a charme at being a quick solvent that evaporates off quickly and leaves no ugly residues or anything
 
terribly sorry this happenedd to you bro. my boy since 7th grade decided to cut off all contacct with everyone and smoke tat shit for like 5 months. now hes posting statuses an shit on fbook leaving 60 commnts talking to himself. i feel really bad . thats no exaggeration too il post the picture i took of it if yall want
 
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