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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

thanks for this info. i forgot to mention im no longer on lithium and the cocktail that i was prescribed cause they did no good. There's got to be some permanent affect of some of these drugs because im not schizophrenic. I'll figure it out someday. It's important to me

hobhead said:
pharmaceticals are really strong chems that have a plethora of side effects. [...] again strong meds have so many side effects and need to be reviewed .
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Exactly.. So I would hate to think that some effects have altered me permanently... It's not that I must smoke weed, this is about the fact that I no longer can. I'm having 'What have these docs done to me' feelings..


hobhead said:
the pits of depression is not easily climbed out of and a bright doc once saved my bacon simply by reviewing my meds and asserting that i drop one of them . i did and it was like night and day for me from then on. an incompetent Pdoc had loaded me with meds some of which were clearly not intended to be taken together.
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Have you heard the term refractory depression? Anti-depressants won't lift my mood. No matter the combination or dosage, no results (5 years of trial). Opiates seem to be only cure for my depression and there was a study done on Buprenorphine being used to treat depression. (taken from bupe megathread.) But now I am on a different topic..
 
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I have a couple friends who completely swore off weed recently, after being daily smokers. Unlike you, they weren't on any medication/other drugs that made them stop - it was completely psychological. Like you, they experienced the effects of paranoia, anxiety, depression etc, every time they smoked. However, both of them were battling psychological issues at the time (break-ups, school etc) which had weed tied into the equation.

Personally, just like them I think it's purely in your head. I find it hard to believe that a couple years of pharma drug use and heroin use would permanently change your brain pattern. I can see it permanently changing your psyche, though, until you figure out why you may be feeling those effects.
 
It's not 99 out of 100 that don't experience this. As I was saying, it was a substantial percentage, like half or more. That would be 50 or more out of 100 people. I am one of them, and I talk with people who have this issue across every drug scene imaginable all around the world, and this is a common thing. Regular marijuana use is known to cause this, especially in daily users. I know that for me at least, simply knowing that this is anxiety is not enough to stop it; I can have a panic attack and at the same time know it is completely illogical for it to be happening... Simple understanding doesn't seem to solve this (IME).
 
you jus lost your tolerance is all.

Start smokin in small doses daily again while your chillin on your own...i.e watchin TV or playing videogames at night after work/school....

slowly your tolerance and understandication will build and you will be more comfortable with smokin round other people.

you gotta get outta yer head bro..
 
its got nothing to do with tolerance.

i think that judging by how it happens if anything its BECAUSE of tolerance.

when i quit because of these problems i was smoking a ton daily.


i do think that a lot of it has to do with how your life is going and your mental state, because i find that during times when things are going my way and life is good, i get a much better high from weed.
 
what do you think about during the panic attacks?

i'm asking because the same thing happens to me, but when i start feeling fucked up the thoughts are usually about something i am really uncomfortable about in normal life, the weed just exacerbates the feelings. i've read other stories like that and sometimes it seems like when you fix your real problems and become more comfortable with yourself the crazy thoughts go away with them.
 
JWH-xxx Question. Is there any HARD evidence there is any differences from

JWH-018
JWH-073
JWH-250
I commonly see people saying," JWH-018 is to "strung out" and "JWH-073 is much better and relaxing" JWH-250 feels like its not enough" I am not educated on the subject of synthetic canabinoids but is there really that much of a difference between the slightly different structures to cause such clearly different effects?
Or is this all a physiological build up from what other people tell them the JWH-xxx is supposed to feel like?
 
They surely have distinct properties. I have only tried -250, but it seems to be pretty close to what it is described as. I didn't particularly like it; It was plenty strong (though missing something still)... It just didn't feel close enough to weed for me to use it as anything more than a novelty. I am also bothered by the lack of research on it compared with marijuana... I smoke cannabis pretty frequently and do not really want to expose myself to a RC regularly, especially not one like JWH-xxx with so little information to go on...
 
Yeah, there really is a difference. I smoke 122 at night to sleep (30 minutes after a 35mg pile I am out). It's 7am on a Sunday, and I just smoked a bowl frosted with 203/210 for a soaring sativa high wake n bake. :)
 
What kind of hard evidence can you have about the subjective states of consciousness that drugs produce? I mean, everyone says that fentanyl is less euphoric than heroin, but can you prove it?

Very small changes in chemical structure can produce wildly different effects (phenethylamine vs. amphetamine vs. methamphetamine, two methyl groups take you from an inactive compound, to a stimulant, to another stimulant with quite different effects, mechanism of action and toxicity). The JWH moniker is applied to a vast range of synthetic cannabinoids that Huffman synthed, and many of them are quite different structurally from others. Of course they have different effects.#

We have a megathread about synthetic cannabinoids that this could have gone into, please use the search engine in future before creating a new thread.
 
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Paranoid / Psychosis?

Over the last few months each time when ive gotten high, I have had a few really bad paranoia experiences.

I swore that the friends i were with were like all talking about me ... laughing at me and were kinda out to get me.

Then whenever im driving when im high or coming down i swear i'm being followed by undercovers etc. A few times i have accused people of shit that hasnt really happened or blamed people for things that they havent done ... blah blah blah.

It doesnt matter if ive been on it for only life 4 hours, 12 hrs or 24 hrs ... it always happens.

Ive cut down my use to every 3-4 weeks but it still happens.

Do i have some kinda psychosis?
How can i reduce this when i get high ...
If i dont do it for a few months will it then go away?

Im kinda a little scared .... can anyone offer me some advice plz
 
The only advice I can give you an im sure it's all others will say also. Stop smoking weed. Some people can use it some can't. I don't smoke for that reason an i know allot of people that are the same.
 
Weed is not for everyone, and I guess it is certainly not for you.

I've seen people try to battle these symptoms and continue there use, but I would highly recommend you do not do this.
 
We have a megathread for just such questions. As OD said, please use the search engine and check the directory before making a new thread.
 
TOO LONG NOT READING. but weed doesnt necessarily provoke paranoia, it just makes one more prone to being paranoid.
 
Peco.. said:
There is at least one person at every party or in every group of friends, who refuses the blunt every time. Often times this person knows how good getting high is or.. used to be.. I'll tell you why I refuse the blunt..

I f'ing love getting high.. But for some reason, I no longer can. These days if I were to take 1 decent hit, I would be jabbed in the gut with anxiety, malaise, depression, dysphoria, ennui.. a whole world of shitty feelings. Pretty much it makes me want to kill myself..

Until I was 18 I could get high and euphoric as a motherf'er. I smoked weed for 4 years but then when I was 18, (22 now) I was prescribed mood-altering pharmaceuticals. I was tried on many anti-depressants, tried on Lithium (mood-stabilizer) and other mood altering things like that. Also, later that year I started using heroin and percocet. From then until now, weed has gradually become less effective at getting me high, and more effective at doing the opposite.

I've been thinking for the past 4 years that it could be a permanent affect of my 6 months heroin use. Another possibility would be the 4 or 5 years of prescription anti-depressants, mood-stabilizers and mind altering pills. I'm on subutex right now, but that isn't the cause either.

What I would like to accomplish here is hearing from people with this same problem (I know a few myself) and any kind of insight from anyone as to what the hell went wrong. My life is miserable and depressing. I cry on the inside every time I think about getting high and realizing that I can't.. and that I must resort to opiates.. There are many people who get anxiety and paranoia from weed but I am WAY more sensitive to all adverse affects. One time I ate 1 and 1/2 pot brownies. 2 Hours later I was found rocking back and forth in the woods crying and forcing myself to throw up because the pain of throwing up distracted me from the wretched black hole in my gut. It felt like my soul was being sucked out my asshole. I wanted to kill myself right there.

What the hell,

-tim
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Wow, finally someone who I can relate too
 
oldmate said:
Over the last few months each time when ive gotten high, I have had a few really bad paranoia experiences.

I swore that the friends i were with were like all talking about me ... laughing at me and were kinda out to get me.

Then whenever im driving when im high or coming down i swear i'm being followed by undercovers etc. A few times i have accused people of shit that hasnt really happened or blamed people for things that they havent done ... blah blah blah.

It doesnt matter if ive been on it for only life 4 hours, 12 hrs or 24 hrs ... it always happens.

Ive cut down my use to every 3-4 weeks but it still happens.

Do i have some kinda psychosis?
How can i reduce this when i get high ...
If i dont do it for a few months will it then go away?

Im kinda a little scared .... can anyone offer me some advice plz
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Stop smoking. If you find that your in a psychosis you'll be realizing soon that marijuana is more of a detriment and might even be doing further damage.
 
this shit is no joke.. it also feels ridiculously euphoric..couldn't keep me away from the naughty stuff ;)

10mg is plenty to start with if JWH- tolerance exists.. To me it seems 2x more potent than 018.. but its character is more reminiscent of a hybrid with slightly mild tryptamine-like effects
 
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