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K2 detox after 8 months of daily use

FOREFRONT
Let me start off by saying that I used to be an avid user of marijuana. I didn't use it every day, mainly due to legal reasons and it's negative impact on my motivation, however I did use it perhaps 3-4 times a week, even perhaps medicinally as I had barely any appetite nor creativity without it..

Last year I was arrested for possession of marijuana, and was given a 6 month probationary sentence. I was required to submit to 6 clean UA's in order to avoid jail time, and more importantly, avoid the permanent drug charge and it's potential life-long career damages and/or implications.

THE ADDICTION
That was when I received a phone call that changed my life. An old co-worker of mine, also a had-been avid user of marijuana, called me while high off of this K2 substance. He was fumbling for words, laughing profusely and complained of utter starvation. He explained how he stumbled upon this new designer drug that mimics the effects of marijuana, yet does not appear in drug tests, readily available at a local headshop.

In utter disbelief, I rushed to the headshop and purchased 3 grams of a product called K2 Summit. I was rather dissatisfied with the price and had little to no expectations, however I proceeded to fire it up in the headshop parking lot. As I blew out the first hit, I immediately felt as if I had smoked a whole joint of commercial grade marijuana.

I immediately began to panic. I was on probation for the first time in my life, 20 years old, on my 2nd clean month, and here I was stoned out my mind. There is absolutely no way this will not show up on my drug test, I thought. Come to find out, I passed the upcoming drug test and that was when I fell in love.
The only thing I didn't like about this K2 was the fact it didn't last as long, and the extreme urge to re-dose. I suspect the flowery scent and foul taste didn't stray me away at first, simply because of the fact that it took 10 times less of this substance to get me twice as high.

So, I rode the last 4 months out and passed every single drug test stoned out of my mind. Not once throughout my probationary period did I even remotely consider risking smoking pot. I can't say I would have felt the same if I didn't find K2, because of how much my weight and social behavior was dependent on being high.

Being in my financial situation, I decided to dive deeper into the K2 rabbit hole, and figure out just what the hell was getting me high - and if there was any possible way I could acquire this substance in higher purity. That was whenever I discovered the golden beauty beneath the mask that ruined my favorite drug: John W. Huffman (JWH).

I immediately scoured the internet for reputable research chemical vendors. It didn't take me long to find it all over the place, in 99.9% purity. So I purchased a couple grams of JWH-018, and began making my own spice. It was quite more potent than the stuff I had been buying before, and I was able to produce very large yields. Life was great - I was stoned out of my mind every single day, eating very well and maintaining my weight, remaining social and creative, euphoric and overall satisfied. I was also relieved that I actually knew what I was smoking. What more could I ask for?

This continued on for another month or two. JWH-018 then became a schedule 1 substance - I knew it was only a matter of time, but I quickly found yet another legal alternative to my favorite substance. Unfortunately I settled with JWH-250. I say unfortunately because the effects of this substance only lasted 30 minutes, with an even higher urge to redose. However, due to the DEA's emergency scheduling and failing War on Drugs, I once again was forced to take one step forward and two steps back.

DOWNHILL
The months faded. My tolerance shot through the roof, further desensitizing my CB receptors. There were times when I bought JWH250 whenever I knew I was absolutely not in the financial situation to do so, but did it anyway. I did not know why I had become so seemingly addicted to this stuff. Afterall, I was never this way with marijuana. I lost my job, many friends, and even got kicked out of my home because of this drug.

After I had exhausted my $5000 federal tax refund on nothing but JWH and fast food, I became extremely depressed. Mainly due to the fact that I was down to my last few hundred dollars, with no job nor any motivation of getting one, and I was down to my last few grams of JWH. I started selling spice online, thinking I could inflate the price and use the profit to maintain my habit. However, even this was beyond my control; I found myself at times sending customers plain Damiana leaves because I was running too low on JWH. It's as if I was in a mindset that only cared for the short-term future. After all, there is no such thing as 'long term' when you are completely baked out of your mind all hours of the day, all days of the week.

Eventually, I somewhat came to my senses and realized that I had little to no recollection of the past 8 months of my life. I lost track of time, my funds, my friends, family. I had no inhibitions, no goals, I even lost my creativity. This drug, I realized, is doing absolutely nothing for me except wasting my life. It tunneled me into a frenzy of depression and, subsequently, I almost overdosed on my last half-gram.

DETOX
My first day off the substance was not that bad. My appetite wasn't quite as good, but it wasn't that bad either. I had a severe urge to go find some means of buying just one more gram, but I couldn't do that to myself.

The next day was essentially the worse day of my life. I was sweating profusely, my heart beat was off the charts. I could feel my heart pounding through my chest. I felt very hungry when I woke up, but as soon as I took a bite of food, I immediately got sick. I suspected I had the stomach flu, because I had diarrheal symptoms as well. My stomach felt like it was eating itself. I was shaking as if I was on a large dose of methamphetamine. My pupils were dilated, I was more nauseated than I had ever been in my life. I tried to sleep this off, but sleep was impossible. I would wake up completely drenched in sweat every single hour. I had no idea why I was sweating this bad because it was pretty cold in the house, so you can imagine how cold I would get waking up every hour drenched.

I had these strange nightmares that were halfway in between me being awake and asleep. I found myself unable to move, talk, think, or even breath when I was sandwhiched in between consciousness. It felt like sleep anea; I would wake up not because of the nightmare I was having, but because of the fact I absolutely could not breath and was dying for oxygen. Time after time again, I woke up from these nightmares covered in cold sweat.

TODAY
The vomiting has subsided, but the constant nausea has not. I have lost 10 pounds since I started detox. I absolutely cannot fucking eat. I am immensely depressed, trying to rekindle my motivation to work. I no longer have the desire nor creativity to indulge myself in the hobbies I had in the past, such as web design and video production. I find myself smoking plain damiana leaves in order to fall asleep, because that's what I was using to make my own spice and I had become so habitually accustomed to smoking it, that it helped immensely even though it had no high to it. I still have nightmares, however the sleep apnea is subsiding. I consider suicide multiple times daily, but cannot bring myself to it. I have no sexual desire, no appetite, no goals or even friends. I am so sleep deprived and losing so much weight, I am being accused of abusing meth.

This shit ruined my life. Marijuana was wonderful. It lasted hours, it didn't ruin my tolerance, and I wasn't mentally forced to re-dose. I have exhausted all of my financial assets into staying on this substance, and to this day (2 weeks after detox) I still cannot eat, sleep, and have absolutely no energy. I am still shaking and my heart continues to beat rapidly, and I also still wake up in cold sweats.

HELP
Does anyone on this forum have any similar experience with using, abusing, and quitting this drug? I have seen people describe withdraws after a few weeks of using this stuff. Imagine using it for 8 months daily and stopping cold turkey!
Is there any safe drugs I can take to help me through this extremely long detox phase? Does anyone recommended self-hospitalization? A psychiatrist perhaps? I have lost everything because of this drug. If you are reading this, and you are using K2, I strongly urge you to reconsider. This is the most addictive chemical I have ever encountered, and I've encountered very very many. I am in need of help, advice, and retrospective. Thank you for reading.
 
Sad story, eloquently told. Thanks for sharing.

As for safe drugs that may help, I would suggest cannabis.

As for your detox, based on what I have experienced and what I have read, I think that it will be over before too long. It shouldn't last more than a month, I think.

Tip: Coolio is a Bluelight with lots of experience using synthetic cannabinoids, and cultivated a serious 24/7 addiction for one year. I would recommend contacting him for his opinions.
 
Despite your economic shortfalls, I urge you to find a psychiatrist and start psychotherapy. You are describing symptoms of major clinical depression, and the longer you stay that way the worse it's going to get. If there's a part of you that truly wants to get better, but lacks the tools and motivation, mental health care can save you. It's a slow and steady process, but it can change your life if you commit to it.

My advice to you is to stop blaming circumstances and other people and start assuming responsibility for your own actions. Synthetic cannabinoids are a bad drug. But even though they have a high addiction potential, you are the one responsible for not exercising judgement and not realizing when your hobby stopped being recreational and became abusive.

This doesn't mean that you are mentally ill or otherwise defected. It sounds like you led a normal healthy life before you started using JWH-xxx, and all you want is to go back there. However, There must have been some underlying factor that caused all this mess to spin out of control. That's the kind of stuff a therapist can help you recognize and come to terms with.

Talking about using other drugs to find a shortcut out of this one only reinforces my assumption that you are not yet willing to feel responsible for the shit you made yourself endure, and so your mind can't handle anymore drug abuse right now. A psychiatrist will probably prescribe you anti-depressant medication, which you will have to commit to taking. A combination of medication and talk therapy is the absolute best way to help people in your situation. Not sketchy self-medication.
I really hope you can pull this one through buddy. I've been through hard times in my life as well, and I'm giving you this advise purely out of good faith. Take it.
 
I used it from August to December when the DEA banned 018 and 073. Daily. Multiple times. I don't remember a terrible detox at all, even if I had one. I simply smoked plain dimaina.
 
I smoked this from September to December everyday and had no withdrawal did notice I stared getting a heavy tolerance tho
 
They are synthetic cannabinoids (analogs of THC) originally developed for researching cannabinoid receptors in the brain and body, and now manufactured and sold for the purpose of getting high. They produce much stronger effects than THC and can be scarily hallucinogenic and dysphoric at high doses, and certain ones with a naphoyl moiety (015,018, this one) are metabolized to a compound that may act as a carcinogen, so many just prefer herb.

Studies have confirmed that JWH-018 does not exhibit genotoxicity. JWH-xxx compounds are similar in affinity to THC. In fact, many compounds such as JWH-200 and JWH-250 are not as strong as THC. Doses for THC typically range around 15mg.
 
Anyone gotten over the anxiety?

i started smoking 6-7 years ago and i loved it for about 4 years. In the beginning it was amazing and i used to enjoy myself anxiety free. after a couple years i started getting anxiety and would enjoy it less and less until i couldnt take it anymore and quit for the past 2 years. ive smoked once in a while since then and sometimes i enjoy myself and sometimes i get bad anxiety. it sucks because weed is my favorite drug and i feel like i think a lot more clearer on it but the horrible anxiety doesnt seem worth it. Has anyone experienced this and overcame this problem? i would like to enjoy weed for the rest of my life but can't seem to overcome the anxiety.

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"Shelf life" of JWH-250?

I have a lot of JWH-250 just sitting in a relatively stable-temperature closet. I've probably had it 4 months now. How long will it stay relatively potent for? I was wondering because I just won't have time to get fucked up until school gets out in early June..
 
I got it



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chainer


That was faster, didn't realize we had 2 anxiety threads or that the last one was closed earlier then 1K posts ah well,
 
It wasn't closed, I merged them (because there were 2), and managed to move each thread into the other, thus creating an impossible infinite loop. That's the dark side of the force for you.
 
HELP
Does anyone on this forum have any similar experience with using, abusing, and quitting this drug? I have seen people describe withdraws after a few weeks of using this stuff. Imagine using it for 8 months daily and stopping cold turkey!
Is there any safe drugs I can take to help me through this extremely long detox phase? Does anyone recommended self-hospitalization? A psychiatrist perhaps? I have lost everything because of this drug. If you are reading this, and you are using K2, I strongly urge you to reconsider. This is the most addictive chemical I have ever encountered, and I've encountered very very many. I am in need of help, advice, and retrospective. Thank you for reading.

I empathize as I have been through a similar experience.

It all started in the summer of 2009. There was much ado about the ban of "Spice" in Europe, so I gave it a try because of the impeding ban. It was really fun and reminded me of many a years in my early twenties when all I did was smoke hash.

One month of light, mostly social use later...the ban was declared. Deluding myself into thinking that I'm living in extraordinary times (the end of an era, etc.), I stockpiled all the Spice, K2, Genie and similar products I could get my hands on...assuming it would last me until retirement (I had some cash laying around to throw at this!).

The consequences were disastrous. After a few weeks of vaporizing, I realized that the hit from the smoke is more potent. So I quit going to the gym. I quit eating healthy. I barely managed to go to school. And I quit having a social life. Most of the time, I'd toke first thing in the morning and continue throughout the day. I looked like a zombie.

I had one loser friend who shared this interest and we "enabled" each other like there's no tomorrow. The stash of about 60 Spice packages was all gone in less than 3 months.

Then I discovered the exciting world of raw JWH RCs. The law hadn't included them all (yet). So there I went cooking my own blend with 075, 250, 081, 122 and what have you. It was extremely cheap compared to buying weed or Spice.

This is a period where I did a lot of introspection and soul searching. My entire world-view shifted thanks to (and I mean thanks to!) this drug. I used to be quite religious, and am now a new convert to secular humanism. I don't think I would have managed to snap out of it without this prolonged substance-assisted experience.

Afterwards, came the cognitive dissonance. If I am to believe in Evolution, Reason and the lot, surely I had to be making the world a better place instead of sitting on my bum getting stoned. This was really painful. With multiples relapses. I can't count the number of times I ordered 5g of RCs, smoked 1/50th over a weekend and flushed the rest. It's hard to control oneself when you still have some laying around. Then again...I have similar experience with weed, chocolate cake, TV series, condoms, wine, cigarettes...(I tried cocaine and amphetamines but never really liked the feeling - maybe because I unconsciously knew they're quite addictive).

Last I smoked some was 2 months ago. I know I'll smoke soon. But I'm delaying it as much as possible. Meanwhile, I get busy. Do sports. Read. Chase sexual experiences. This JWH changes something in the chemistry of the brain, so it's hard to make good decisions. I don't know if therapy is a priority given your financial issues, but I'm sure you could work through your issues on your own.

Pick a cause or two and go make the world a better place.
 
Why do I not enjoy weed anymore?

Hey Guys
I first smoked weed around 3 years and never did it much until last summer. I smoked every few days in summer and I loved every moment of being high, it was such a good lifestyle for me. Everyone around me smoked or was cool with me smoking. After summer, I didnt smoke as much, maybe a couple of times a month tops.
But in the past few months, smoking weed hasnt been the same and my friend has noticed too. I'm always up for getting a smoke and I love the whole process of getting the weed and rolling joints etc. I even love smoking, but as soon as I start to feel high, I usually regret it :\ . It makes me feel quite paranoid that I'm acting weird and I find that everything is difficult, such as things that would be second nature become really hard, like txting, cooking etc. It makes me quite quiet, I'm usually very outgoing, but I always think about what I'm saying and I feel quite awkward around certain people I usually get on with. I initially thought it was the weed, but it cant be because I've tried multiple types and it still does the same.
What is going on here :( How can I enjoy weed again?
 
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Smoke less untill your once again used to the altered state of mind. Same thing can happen to me if I stop for a while and my tolorance goes down... the next time I smoke I get paranoid and that "shouldn't have done this" feeling.

Also enviornment is key.
 
Simple. Just get your weed, roll it up, and then... send it to me :)

Seriously, try smoking less and going up a little each time. Whenever i stop and start again, i feel paranoid. Remember, paranoia is in the head.
 
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