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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

I used to get this, just more minor. I just did what RedRum said and toughed it out and kept smoking. Took a month or so, and now my high feels exactly like it used to.
 
IMO its about toughing it out, but you can't just simply smoke bong after bong day after day and expect it just to be alright. Maybe it will go back to normal but your best bet is to find the core reason why you and mary jane aren't jiving right now and then taking adequate steps to fix the problem. Much easier.
 
This used to happen to me with cannabis. Since using more heavily I can be comfortable in social settings, more often than not when I get stoned I'll conversate freely and have laughs with the friends. On psychedelics however it's hit and miss, I'll either clam up and look depressed/infuriated (but thinking positively for the most part having a good time) or just act goofy and go with it.. The times I clam up tend to be those times when there are many social dynamics to keep track of/overthink. For example at a party where not everyone is a close friend, not my ideal trip setting. Since becoming a tad more experienced (though not adept by any measure) I can generally keep myself calm on psychedelics but not exactly sociable lol.. I think I just give how I come off way too much thought on psys.. Weed however I'ma fuckin pro lol
 
This is a very very common story.

When people smoke for a while, then quit, when they come back to it they seem to get more anxiety. For one thing, you're probably way overestimating how much to smoke. I can 1-hit myself into paranoiaville with decent weed pretty easily.

Also, synthetic cannabinoids can be significantly worse than weed (some aren't though) in terms of ratio of paranoia to high (and smoking too much is MUCH more unpleasant) - they do seem tobe better for building a tolerance though, assuming you find one that doesn't cause bad anxiety for you.
 
Your getting too high

if you smoke bongs stop. Those are designed to get you fucked up. Joints would be bad too, because you will keep smoking it after your high enough

smoke out of a pipe, take a small hit and chill, if you want more smoke more in 5 or 10 mins
 
1sth4monic said:
I am having trouble finding info on JWH-122.

Have googled and searched BL and the god awful "drugs-forum" as well.

I mainly want to know the dosage of this compound. I have heard everything from 1mg to 40mg. Can someone shed some light?

Also, I plan on ORALLY ingesting this, not smoking it or putting it on a blend. If anyone here has any experience with oral JWH-122 for someone with no tolerance (usually smoke pot one time a week give or take) it would be greatly appreciated. Mainly how many mg to eat.

Thanks so much.

EDIT: I am a idiot. I realized that one page back someone asked nearly the exact same question. For some reason the BL search engine didnt pick this up. Sorry. However still if anyone else would care to share some light on oral 122 it would still be appreciated.
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one thing I have noticed from oral use of JWH compounds is the infinity of ways in which they react to the body when compared to smoking, eg when you smoke you get pretty much the same effect which is variable by the dosage. Oral consumption (and the same may even be said about Mary J) produces a different type of buzz, more body centered and less hyper-mental, in other words instead of acting like a stimulant it acts like a depressant or at the very least as a relaxant and the chest cavity and muscles.

That being said my experience with 122 has been mostly smoking and it had a perspicuity to make one prematurely tired and the effects were equally as sedative when taken oral only occurring in a different area (eg, instead of the mind, the body feeling heavy, slugish, etc)

I will admit my experience with 122 was rather short lived once it was determined it was contrary to my own agenda (*eg. alert, cognitive, functional, mid range brain high reflective of the mids of the 80's MJ scene)

I don't know if it's %100 completely legal for me to suggest an amount for a newb of safe oral dosage (if you know the law well enough and the danger involved in these synthetics than you may know what risk is involved there legally) one thing I do know from laboratory test and results is dosage is exponentially effected by weight of the subject, mostly mice, but the science implied is essentially the same, with that in mind it's always better to error on the side of caution than to boldly go where no man has gone before (and possibly never return if you know what I mean).
Also, if studies on oral consumption of natural cannabinoids (THC) is any indication than an certain amount of fatty acid is necessary in the gut for any reaction (to produce anodyne in the brain) that not to say synthetics metabolize in the same manner but they do target the same receptors in the brain. A standard rule for any subject is 3X the amount of tolerable smoking consumption for an oral dose to be the same effective, however one also has to consider the amount of time before the bodies reaction (about 1 to 1 1/2 hour) and the length of time the buzz has the potential to last (about 3 hours).

let's put it this way once you consume 122 orally (with it's tiring effect even when smoked) you aren't fit to operate any heavy machinery, drive a car, etc etc, but you are fit to take one heck of bear nap, hopefully waking up in an hour or two like it's morning ready to face the day, or depending on dosage and your body weight you might just go into a uncontrollable body laugh that last about 20 minutes (that's if you push through and fight the urge to nap), in any event start with the lowest possible dose and work way up once you know how your body responds, IMHO.

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crOOk said:
I've only tried AM-2201 and JWH-250. While I do have the possibility to measure out 100ug with a satisfying precision of 30ug (windows closed, nobody move a muscle!), I never felt the need to do that and eyeballed it from the start. I've had various batches and only once did I really go over the top, but that might've been related to an unknown substance passing from my ass into my bloodstream at the same time.

JWH-250 imho sucked, I barely felt shit (only had one batch from the same supplier as the best AM batch I had). I've been smoking pot for 12 years straight, at nighttime, but my tolerance is pretty low to actual pot. 100mg weed will get me pretty blasted every night!!
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I couldn't disagree more, out of the 20 or so JWH designations I have tried 250 in the right doses most mimicked the effects of mid rand 80's Mary J (5%-7% THC) both in mind stimulation and longevity, the reason being many of the JWH- designations produce adverse side-effects (anxiety, raised heart beat, fear, etc etc) even at mid range doses and then taper off around the 45 min. to an hour, so the need to have one that can be tolerated at larger doses (and therefore achieve a longer high) is paramount for anyone wanting to achieve the pot like manageable and function able high they are familiar with.

Like I said out of the 20 or so I've personally tried, 250 was the closest, and right now 019 comes a close runner up (although I have heard the exact same diatribe from people looking from something else (like a intense mind altering experience) about 019, that it fell short of their expectations.

That being said you voiced concern over your health as related to smoking cannabis (and/or synthetic cannabis in this situation) and 250 is for lack of a better term more healthy than many of the rest in that respect since it is missing the O ring often associated with Cancer causing carcinogens, so my suggestion if 250 is still legal in your territory is to get it from a different vendor and try again, because the 250 you describing and the 250 (that has been confirmed as 98% pure in lab test) or two different entities.

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thegreatgeno said:
How is smoked potency compared to oral potency?

As in, 10mg of AM-2201 smoked would be equal to how many mg orally?
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general rule of thumb is 3X for oral dose, however many other factors of human biology come into play when you process something orally and through the gut, as a matter of fact I would suspect if the body is not set up properly (eg. vitamin deficiency, water def, nutrient dif, etc etc) than it would be unable to process the substance in an effective manner which would be a waste (some already say that about the sheer amount it takes to work orally but that is an aside) at least less effective than it otherwise would be in producing a reaction to the receptors.

The potency really can't be compared because oral use is already starting out with a 3X increase in does so everything mathematically as far as comparison works it's way backwards from there, you don't really gain anything (eg. 10mg smoke last 1 hour, 3X 10mg oral last 3 hours) as far as longevity per amount consumed the effects are different, smoking gives more of a head buzz stimulating the brain whereas oral consumption of the same JWH destination will produce a heavy body high.

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Yep, classic story. Went through this myself recently. The same exact thing happened to me a few months ago when I started smoking again. I would get extremely paranoid, close up, become pretty antisocial. The thing is, weed is very much a psychedelic and creates it's own very unique headspace. Your body (and mind) just need time to adjust to the feeling of being stoned again. And you're likely getting much, much higher than you did before you quit, with the same weed. Try going easy and smoking less for a while until you become used to it again, or get baked to the point where you feel incapacitated and just want to melt into the couch (massive bongloads) a few times, which will basically force yourself to become used to weed again.
 
I get this. Whenever I take psychedelics my time tendencies towards pleasant, though along with any trip can come the odd moment.

But, like yeh, whenever I smoke weed with my mates I get ridiculously psychotic. It feels like the whole world knows what I'm up to and they are going to punish me for thinking I was cool up until having that last toke.

Peeps are talking about building up your tolerance and all that, there doesn't seem to be much point considering I have a wank time whenever I smoke. Why would being able to smoke more make it better. If I can smoke more it just means it takes me longer to get to that psychotic state. And however desirable that state may be for some people it aint my thing. Before arriving at the uber paranoid mess, I would just be slightly less paranoid until it builds.

Smoking weed at any level just doesn't work for me. It's the devil's herb. End of.
 
Thanks jerm. Do you know the JWH-073? How does it compare to the 250? Thanks.
 
Anyone ever smoked like half a gram of pure jwh-018 in the same sitting? Whenever I tell people that I've done this they are shocked/don't believe me. But at no point have I ever been overwhelmed by the j dub high, and I've smoked it while drunk/tripping on multiple occasions. Who else managed to build up that huge of a tolerance?
 
Sadner said:
Wouldnt you just not, if it doesnt make you feel good why do it?
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Because it was fun on previous occasions, and you want to experience that fun again. And chances are if you keep smoking, the fun will return.


juniorcat said:
I get this. Whenever I take psychedelics my time tendencies towards pleasant, though along with any trip can come the odd moment.

But, like yeh, whenever I smoke weed with my mates I get ridiculously psychotic. It feels like the whole world knows what I'm up to and they are going to punish me for thinking I was cool up until having that last toke.

Peeps are talking about building up your tolerance and all that, there doesn't seem to be much point considering I have a wank time whenever I smoke. Why would being able to smoke more make it better. If I can smoke more it just means it takes me longer to get to that psychotic state. And however desirable that state may be for some people it aint my thing. Before arriving at the uber paranoid mess, I would just be slightly less paranoid until it builds.

Smoking weed at any level just doesn't work for me. It's the devil's herb. End of.
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It's not so much tolerance per say.. Rather the fact that your mind needs time to adjust to the feeling of being stoned again. There aren't many other drugs with effects similar to those of maijuana (synthetic cannabinoids aside), and the experience can be rather unnerving/anxiety provoking if you're unaccustomed to it.
 
TheAzo said:
This is a very very common story.

When people smoke for a while, then quit, when they come back to it they seem to get more anxiety. For one thing, you're probably way overestimating how much to smoke. I can 1-hit myself into paranoiaville with decent weed pretty easily.
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Yup yup - this happened to me, just smoke toothpicks, and remember that you're getting used to the weed again.
Folley said:
Your getting too high

if you smoke bongs stop. Those are designed to get you fucked up. Joints would be bad too, because you will keep smoking it after your high enough

smoke out of a pipe, take a small hit and chill, if you want more smoke more in 5 or 10 mins
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I did this and never felt anxious again after smoking a joint, apart from if I smoked a pure sativa a few months after my last joint.

OP - BREATHE through it(deep in through your nose, and out again - 4in,4out at least 5 times), and remember your heart is beating, faster...that's all.

Think this belongs in CD, though doesn't it?
 
The advice about keep smoking to build a tolerance, is IMO terrible advice.

OP: I would stop smoking the weed. Thats what I did. If you feel like you get psychotic by smoking weed, then be carefull. You don't want to end up loosing your mind ;)
 
Also check other factors in your life that causes anxiety .i find weed will bring out my anxiety all at once even if i feel relaxed at the moment . Wait for a carefree period in your life like vacation or something.

I experience this also and i'm sure it's other factors in my life that make me feel bad on weed. So now i really choose carefully when to smoke . When in really good mood , with good friends .And when i don't have a lot of shit in my head.

I think trying to get a tolerance not worth it . When your body and mind tells you not do do something you'd better don't.

A good friend who's was a VERY heavy smoker continued . We where watching him closing to himself almost never speaking . I was telling him you do not enjoy it anymore man why you smoke so much and blah blah .he continued being stoned dawn till dusk got really depressed still didn't listened to anyone though . Started sawing sign of psychotic behaviour wasn't really speaking if at all so we didn't know what was in his head. I don't know how it hit him but in a day he quited cold turkey. And he's trying to sort his head out now .

Yes i know it's "just" weed but sometimes even that can be a catalyst for disaster.

I say watch your life change things you don't like be a better person and then you will enjoy weed again :)
 
This happened to me when I moved to a new country. Smoked a few grams of high quality kush a day for about 6 years and then took my first few days off. Gradually I got back into it though. Weed isn't for everyone. No reason to push yourself into it if you don't enjoy it anymore. The day will come when you feel comfortable smoking again.... it just hasn't happened yet.
 
This happened to me but I gave up, though it feels great to not be constantly stoned. Best of luck to you though.
 
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