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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

I like the smoking experience. Since I did smoke through my teenage and college years. There's just something about going out to my vehicle, finding a bad ass tune on my zune and lighting up a bowl. I will try vaping a little though since you suggested it. Is there any wrong way of going about this in a bulb besides making sure the white is all out?
 
^ Oh you have a Zune, you're awesome then. You can do whatever you want.

Also for the bulb it's safer just to get a clear bulb from the beginning. Other than that it's pretty obvious what you do, get your dose on a toothpick or something and drop it in, then hold the flame under the glass where it is, but don't let it get too hot, there's a fine line between vaporized and burned with these.
 
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On an unrelated note, people need to stop saying rc cannabinoids are unresearched and possibly dangerous. The reality is they have been researched and have been proven in many cases to have neuroprotective, anti-inflammatory, and analgesic effects.
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Erm. That really isn't true.

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It wouldn't make me happy but it sure as hell would make you seem less likely to be a robot. I don't see how anyone could not get a little antsy after smoking too much 018.
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Really I can only recall maybe 2-3 times, but only when I consumed oral amounts upwards 70mg -018... and even that was rare.

I dunno I guess I am not a very paranoid person. Or I just don't see the anxiety element that comes from synthetics. As for -122 I never really experimented with this as the ones I had already mixed were just fine for me.
 
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Man one of my good friends is on probation and he is smoking ALOT of xyz blend from local head shop. I keep trying to tell him its not pot its not safe to smoke like pot you know all day everyday. Now I know no one knows what is in it but in general what kind of side effects should be looked out for? I think its some kind of cannabinoid it feels similar to pot (yea I tryed it I know I know) what other chmicals besides the JWH could it possibly be. If I could be pointed toward a list of chemicals causing cannibas like effects that would be amazing. I guess im looking for a way to discourage his irresponsible use. I know I may get jumped on for this but hes my bro I had to try.

In case its not clear xyz is just my made up name not any brand.
 
Beware of disgusting side effects from synthetic Cannabinoids

I really enjoy the effects of a 25/25 mix of 122+210 with the other 50% being 25/25 of 203+250, but the effects themselves are really beside the point since this mix feels identical to cannabis for me.

However, even though I only use them orally and totally unheated/uncooked(just mixed with peanut butter to help them absorb), for some reason they're still making me cough up that disgusting, nasty black tar that comes from smoking them, and I even quit cigarettes 8 months ago just to make sure that wasn't causing it either. For me, it always increases the day after an oral dose.

I'm very confused as to how this happened, since I'm not smoking, vaping, or inhaling anything for that matter, and the tar increases every time I take an oral dose.

The best alternative I've found has been threshhold(5-10mg) doses of 4-aco-dmt, which I find cleaner and more enjoyable than mushrooms. Low doses feel like cleaner CB highs, and its only flaw for me is that tryptamine tolerance builds very quickly which makes it impossible to(safely) take more than once every 3-5 days. Otherwise, it's a beautiful chem that gives me a high far superior to cannabis or any mix of synthetic CBs.

The tar is truly disgusting, so I caution anyone who wants to mess with synthetic CBs because although I've greatly enjoyed their main effects, the pitch black jwh tar is not only obnoxious and disgusting, but I'm guessing it's very very toxic as well. I can't prove the last statement, but coughing that shit up has forced me to stop taking them, and I'm pissed off at myself for slipping up last night since it increased that fucking tar. This happens regardless of supplier, so I assume it's the CBs themselves.

Smoking them is much much worse, since it's what I imagine smoking raw petroleum would be like. I cannot recommend that; especially those blends with undisclosed ingredients.

Does anyone know of a synthetic CB that doesn't produce the same kind of awful tar that the JWH CBs do? RCS4 and some of the WIN CBs sound interesting, but I can't mess with them if they produce that hard, dense, pitch black tar that sticks to everything. I just don't know anything about synth. CBs other than the JWH series.

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Weird. All I can say is that I've smoked (usually on top of weed, sometimes from a meth style pipe or off foil) JWH-018 frequently since last December. Daily for a little while, then 3 or so times per week, now only occasionally, but still at least 4 or 5 times monthly, usually quite a bit more.

I have noticed my lungs aren't quite as good as they used to be, but I attribute that mostly to a period in which I was smoking 2-4 grams of schwag a day, now I'm down to about 1. I definitely don't cough up tar, or have a cough at all except when smoking weed. I don't notice worse effects the day after JWH vs. after 2 weeks of no use.
 
Yeah, I've done some pretty high doses of JWH-018 and 250 and never had this problem, but it did feel like my lung capacity was greatly decreased.
 
I'm going to merge into this into MEGA synthetic cannabinoid thread. OP, you will either find your answer in there or I think your question will be answered more quickly (that thread has some very intelligent regulars!)
 
do synthetic cannabinoids have any withdrawal symtpoms?

i've done every drug out their but pcp and heroin, but i've gone back to my stoner days lately and smoke the legal spice stuff, but it seems like when i run out to i crave more because i like the body high it gives you, even though it makes me feel a little more paranoid and sometimes lazy/hungry though i can control it pretty well, so does spice <snip> cause withdrawl symptoms i heard they don't but i'm not sure.
 
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I never used them, but I've read several times that they cause withdrawal symptoms if used on a daily basis. Actually pretty much any drug cause withdrawal symptoms if you quit after using it on a daily basis on a long period of time.
 
Probably, because THEY ARE MADE IN A LAB...marijuana is all natural, and ive witnessed this. Ive hit some legal shit once....didnt get me high and tasted like shit....
Ive been a daily weed smoker for 2 1/2 years now and when i run out, it sucks but i just wait till i can get more pot....and if all else fails ill go buy some luquor and raid the medicine cabinet lol
 
^ Get out.

@ OP, yes everything can cause withdrawal symptoms. Water withdrawal has a nasty habit of killing you, same with oxygen withdrawal. 2 things that are essential for life have withdrawal. If you don't smoke it more than once a day in modest amounts I'd say it's really unlikely for you to have a problem.
 
^Not everything can cause withdrawal symptoms. And you can hardly compare dying dehydration to drug withdrawal. Withdrawing from drugs is very different from being deprived of vital nutrients.

Treefa said:
Probably, because THEY ARE MADE IN A LAB...marijuana is all natural, and ive witnessed this. Ive hit some legal shit once....didnt get me high and tasted like shit....
Ive been a daily weed smoker for 2 1/2 years now and when i run out, it sucks but i just wait till i can get more pot....and if all else fails ill go buy some luquor and raid the medicine cabinet lol
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The stuff you get from your medicine cabinet is made or at least refined in a lab. Natural things are often more dangerous then synthetic things.

I've heard of people experiencing cravings and withdrawal from JWH, but I myself haven't noticed. When I've been smoking a lot I don't feel right in the mind for a few days after use, which I guess is withdrawal but it's very mild in my case. I think smoking synthetic cannibinoids on a daily basis is a quite bad idea.
 
^ lol @ the post you quoted. Didn't notice he "raids the medicine cabinet". Your parents pay for those for a reason, don't steal them child.
 
Keep it pleasant in here please, no name calling guys :\ or I'll have to close it.

I'm going to edit the title and first post, since we have several threads in the CD directory (see the link in my signature!) about cannabis quitting/withdrawal symptoms, but not really for the synthetic cannabinoids.
 
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