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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

'The Network', in general can you kindly do us all a favor and please stop spreading misinformation in the cannabis forum? It's starting to concern me, as there may be people who naively take your word as gospel.

A wise man once said, shockingly enough, 'if you don't know much at all about a certain topic, perhaps it's best to say nothing at all'.

edit: and I agree with p_c, you can get your point across effectively in a polite but firm way without having to take cheap shots or be vulgar or swear. There's no point in all that really, because the discussion just breaks down anyway. That does no one any good whatsoever at the end of the day.
 
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The Network said:
Yeah, I've done some pretty high doses of JWH-018 and 250 and never had this problem, but it did feel like my lung capacity was greatly decreased.
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If you try to clear your lungs after messing with any jdubs, I bet that tar will come up. I kept blaming my respiratory problems on other shit as well until I noticed that even oral use fucks with my lungs, and that makes me think they're extremely toxic to the lungs and probably the body in general.

It usually comes up in pitch black specks, but sometimes a nasty blob of it comes up and I just can't do this to myself anymore. Cannabis is pretty much totally harmless if vaped or eaten, but the JWH series just seems flat out fucking toxic.

Try stopping the jdubs for a little while and I bet your lung capacity will start increasing gradually; I'm in that process right now and although the tar/lung capacity problems seem endless, they do get better gradually.


edit: Chemistry is not one of my areas of knowledge, and I have absolutely no idea how eating jdubs(uncooked/in raw form) mixed with peanut butter could produce that tar, but EVERY TIME I took an oral dose, the tar drastically increased the next day. This wasn't a one-off experience and it happened very consistently. I'm not sure what's going on, but only jdubs cause this and it's absolutely sickening. Cannabis needs to be legalized immediately so people don't feel the need to use these disgusting excuses for alternatives.

I'd LOVE to find a synth. CB that doesn't fuck with my respiratory system so badly because they're excellent for potentiating pretty much everything. I simply can't fuck with jdubs anymore though; they're too goddamn toxic.
 
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I've smoked about 45 grams total of JWH, and eatten about 10gs more. 30 grams of that was JWH-018, probably more. The rest is a majority of -250, -72, -81, -82, and a few grams of randoms. I am no where near running out, either.

I've never had an issue with synthetics... sometimes I will eat too much and feel anxiety spikes rarely, but I know in the back of my head it's because I'm fucked on synthetics.

On the opposite side, my roomie ate 45mg of JWH-018 and freaked out so hard he got carted out of our 3rd floor dorm to the ER in the hospital. Obviously they did nothing for him but give him some water in an IV.

Clearly, YMMV. This is a research chemical. Just because it is a lab synthetic doesn't mean anything. Remember
1) Not all batches are the same. THIS MEANS TEST EACH BATCH CAREFULLY. I have personally seen people think they got, say, 2ce, but it was DOx. Imagine that fuck up.
2) It's a white powder - you could be given anything.
3) It's a fact that some labs KEEP the waste material from JWH synthesis and SELL IT.

You gotta be careful with this stuff even when you are familiar. Be responsible, know what you are using, it's the only way to minimize the risks involved with RCs if you are dead set in using them (like I am).
 
Unusual synthetic cannabis experience

So, i got what was supposedly a jwh type substance from a moderatley trustworthy source. I had looked up oral preperation methods and decided on .3 or so in a gelcap with veggie oil. I smoked .3 that day with a friend and got nicley baked. Later i ate about .2ish and waited. I read it was supposed to be just as active orally, but i only got a mild relaxation. Next day was my birthday, so i set off to bed. I take the pill at 9, i get the same relaxation. At 4pm, yes 7 hours later, it kicks in full force. My family was over, so it was NOT a good time to be high. It wears off at 9ish, a good 5 hours. Is this normal? I thought the onset was 3-4 hours. I had plenty of fatty foods (mcdonalds lol) in my stomach. What gives? Could it have been placebo? I didnt think it was 100% going to work after eating .2 the day before. Kinda at a loss with this one. Usually my drug research is accurate.
 
For some reasoning edit wouldnt work. But i developed a lump in my throat since then. It hurts to swallow. My birthday was on thursday...
 
Don't take synthetic cannabinoids orally. It's almost universal - long and unpredictable onset, and uncomfortably strong (or totally non-existent) effects. What you describe squares pretty well with my experiences with oral synthetic cannabinoids. And the lump in your throat is probably unrelated.
 
I'm going to move this into our MEGA synthetic cannabinoid discussion thread, since I think you'll get more answers there (as many posters frequent that thread who know a LOT about the synthetics.)
 
Here's a thought.....

For those who decide to smoke pre-made spice (or equiv)..... Besides not knowing which chems are being used for the CB agonist.... what about the pesticides, etc, being used on the plant matter before its even treated with the CB compound?

I highly doubt these companies who peddle synth cannabis clean the plant material before they add their own stuff.
Not that it means much, but not only through my own experience..... I've been noticing reports of synthetic CB reactions that are very similar to mild organophosphate poisoning.
malathion and similar are still used by many nurseries.... kinda scary when yeh figure a lot of the stuff that comes in those foil packets, originate from ornamental plants.
 
TheAzo said:
Don't take synthetic cannabinoids orally. It's almost universal - long and unpredictable onset, and uncomfortably strong (or totally non-existent) effects.
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I completely disagree. When I eat JWH, I eat around 45-60mg JWH-018, and it is very pleasent for an all day intense high. Yes, I get really, really high, but that was the point of eating it. Typically the rule of thumb with oral JWH substances is 3x what you would smoke is a strong oral dosage.

I will say that you can EASILY go overboard with oral synthetics... but I would never say "don't take them orally," as that is one of the best ways to use these once you find your comfort zone.
 
Ixchellian said:
Here's a thought.....

For those who decide to smoke pre-made spice (or equiv)..... Besides not knowing which chems are being used for the CB agonist.... what about the pesticides, etc, being used on the plant matter before its even treated with the CB compound?
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I've been saying this before JWH became a popular designer drug, so nearly a year:
DO NOT SMOKE PRE-MADE BLENDS - YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CLUE WTF YOU ARE SMOKING. Some pre-made blends have even been found to use the WASTE BYPRODUCT of JWH, which is TOXIC. I forgot what blend, but it was taken off the market once the info was leaked to the net.

Make your own. Find a trusted source. It is worth the time and effort if you are serious about using synthetics. The more you know about what you are smoking, the better and more informed discussions you will make. There is a wealth of information here about safe ways to use JWH or any synthetic, as well as video guides (by yours truly) on making your own blends. it is extremely easy if you are careful and yields more then you would ever imagine. I feel like a robot because of how often I have said this.
 
Kipo said:
So, i got what was supposedly a jwh type substance from a moderatley trustworthy source. I had looked up oral preperation methods and decided on .3 or so in a gelcap with veggie oil. I smoked .3 that day with a friend and got nicley baked. Later i ate about .2ish and waited. I read it was supposed to be just as active orally, but i only got a mild relaxation. Next day was my birthday, so i set off to bed. I take the pill at 9, i get the same relaxation. At 4pm, yes 7 hours later, it kicks in full force. My family was over, so it was NOT a good time to be high. It wears off at 9ish, a good 5 hours. Is this normal? I thought the onset was 3-4 hours. I had plenty of fatty foods (mcdonalds lol) in my stomach. What gives? Could it have been placebo? I didnt think it was 100% going to work after eating .2 the day before. Kinda at a loss with this one. Usually my drug research is accurate.
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I think here "set and setting" played a big role in what you perceived as to what was a "good effect" and what was a "bad effect" with 018 for me at least I get less "red eye" and with that less paranoia about people around me....anybody else notice this....some varieties of the natural herb are just dreadful for giving me super red eyes with the synthetic it seems less.

oh yeah also don't use crappy veggie oil use natural organic hemp oil....
 
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Personally, after habitually smoking cannabis for about 6 months, I stopped getting red eyes for anything besides a whole lotta bong rips. Or amazing hash.
 
Ixchellian said:
Here's a thought.....

For those who decide to smoke pre-made spice (or equiv)..... Besides not knowing which chems are being used for the CB agonist.... what about the pesticides, etc, being used on the plant matter before its even treated with the CB compound?

I highly doubt these companies who peddle synth cannabis clean the plant material before they add their own stuff.
Not that it means much, but not only through my own experience..... I've been noticing reports of synthetic CB reactions that are very similar to mild organophosphate poisoning.
malathion and similar are still used by many nurseries.... kinda scary when yeh figure a lot of the stuff that comes in those foil packets, originate from ornamental plants.
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Hi all,

I've been using Bluelight these last few weeks (lurking) and can definitely confirm that it's habit forming. Great site, really very interesting people.The knowledge some of you guys
possess in many and varied fields is awesome to behold, and goes some way in confirming my suspicion that the great polymaths and autodidacts of history were almost certainly regular recreational drug users :)

Some very quick personal history - I've been using cannabis regularly for 20 odd years. I regard myself as very well grounded and I've rarely had any anxiety at all in that time. I've also indulged in most other illegal drugs to a much lesser degree, but have a particularly fondness for psychedelics. If I have a weakness (I don't consider myself a particularly addictive personality) it's that I can be potentially fiendish when it comes to the bud - I can go without for weeks, but when I have it I want to smoke it until it's all gone. I'm a piggy basically. It is becoming increasingly difficult to buy good weed in my neighbourhood lately without it being horribly greasy, or sprayed with sugar solution or grit. A lot of the more reliable home growers here have been shut down since the UK government decided to change stance in treating green as the number one threat to the civilised world - *sigh* and this has led me to look for possible substitutes in the RC scene.

I have to say, this ^ post worries me, as it does strike a chord in with my own recent experience of using "xyz" blends. I don't know whether mentioning specific brands is allowed here so I won't, except to say the one I've used is pretty much ubiquitous. I believe (though this might just be rumour given vendor secrecy about such things) that the brand has recently switched to am-2201 to get around the swiss cheese control laws here in the UK. After a couple of weeks of extended use, I developed odd symptoms that I have experienced separately before, but never presented in a simultaneous set and to such an extreme degree; persistent blurred vision,excessive sweating, diarrhoea, sharp stomach cramping, aching and cold extremities (probably due to circulatory issues), arrhythmia, thought disturbance, fasciculations and significant neuralgia in the neck, head, back and calfs that seemed to accompany the muscle twitches.

I have a healthy respect for RCs and a corresponding disrespect for most vendors (thank goodness for wonderful community sites like this which reinforce that approach constantly too), so I'm not blaming the compound here, I really do have a suspicion that my experience may have something to do with Ixchellian's ideas. My symptoms, while easily comparable with other causes, do have a remarkable similarity to those I've read about in relation to sheep dip exposure for example.

Needless to say, if I ever take a synthetic cannabinoid again, it won't be soon and it won't be in a pre-made blend. Goodness only knows what that plant shit is treated with.

Play safe guys!

Peace
x
 
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damn I'm having some respiratory issues after using jwh-250 daily for a few weeks; at first I hoped it was just an allergy to something else but reading some of the above posts kind of worry me. I never got this from anything else but I am still trying to rule things out. I don't cough up any black tar (i do when i smoke cannabis though lol) but it feels like my lungs have less capacity and like there's something stuck in them.

I'm cutting my dose/usage down to see if it helps and I will eventually completely quit if it doesn't. It's sad that any jwh/rc cannabinoid is so much cheaper than actual cannabis for me (and i live in Canada, it's rather cheap here...) that it's just not economical for me to smoke cannabis daily like I used to. I'm sure my lungs will appreciate a break either way but I am really interested to hear of any stories or personal experiences with jwh and related substances having the same problem as me. Feels like I have asthma or something :\

edit: turns out it was just allergies.
 
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Post-use Spice effects?

Alright, so first post, here goes.

A friend of mine started smoking this spice stuff. I had always assumed it was a placebo effect, just another bullshit legal-high cool kids thing. She was using for about 2 months, everyday. After she quit, she went through withdrawls, which sounded weird to me. Even if it's just synthetic weed, I've never heard of withdrawls from weed. I read up a bit and found a few things saying that spice is addictive.

After 2 months of use, she is now suffering from depersonalization, is depressed, ADHD has been exasperated, and says she can't control her emotions. She thought she killed off all her emotions or something like that. Apparently a couple people have died from using it, and numerous people have psychosis, and another friend of hers got hospitalized.

She's said that she woke up once and saw someone that wasnt there, scary stuff. She has no family history of schizophrenia, and this was awhile after she stopped using. A legit schizo friend of mine has told me stories simmilar to this.

I got into contact with some guy who says that after he stopped using, he underwent withdrawl that felt simmilar to heroin, went in and out of psych ward, and was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

So, I tried reading more on this and found no actual scientific studies on this stuff (if you know of any, a link would be greatly appreciated).

Basically, I'm looking for anyone else's post-use experiences, or any ideas on this. Or if anyone knows what the hell is even in this spice stuff, seeing as JWH-018 and a couple other simmilar cannabanoids are now illegal in the US, wondering what the hell they spray on this stuff. Hell, I can't even find the name of a manufacturer.
 
Hey everybody, long time lurker but one of my friends came up to me the other day with an idea that I felt I had to ask about. He's always wanted a way to take a few tokes of his favorite JWH- or AM- in public, but hasn't been able to find an easy and socially acceptable way to do so. But the other day, he was out smoking an electronic cigarette. For those who don't know how they work, they're basically vaporizers; they have cartridges full of liquid with metal wicks that make contact with an atomizer to vaporize the liquid in small amounts.

I know that the first part of this thread says only to use pure acetone, but I'm guessing that the reason behind this is because the acetone evaporates readily and the compounds are very soluble in it. The liquid in these electronic cigarette cartridges, however, are made of propylene glycol mixed with water, nicotine, and flavoring. So the question is, would any cannabinoids be soluble in propylene glycol, and if so do the atomizers in electronic cigarettes produce enough heat to vaporize the compound?
 
yes theirs guides to do it you have to heat up thePG, also some sites sell jwh e liquid
 
Don't bump your threads.

Spice/K2/synthetic cannabinoids are well known for being tricky in overdose and habituation scenarios.
 They lack the safety margin of the much less potent THC, and it's definitely possible to get habituated and have withdrawal symptoms with Spice. These same symptoms are present with cannabis but are usually easily dealt with, again due to THC's comparative low potency. Try looking on PubMed for more papers about this.

I think a large percentage of it is psyhcological, similar to PTSD, resulting from the intensity of a bad experience, but there's also a good possibility that it can uncover latent schizophrenia (like all other cannabinoids).
 
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