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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

Whaddaya whaddaya? "Herbal incenses" like the one you smoked aren't herbal at all, they are laced with synthetic cannabinoids. Yeah, you got high from it. I'll merge this with the synthetic megathread, should give you all the info you need (particularly the FAQ in the first post).
 
Chainer said:
I do this all the time. I have an old post on how to INFUSE these cigs with the powder so it doesn't look like you have a coke dipped cig.

It's an ineffective method of smoking this stuff - i found ontop a bowl of any herb will work best, or just eating it as most effective... but I use cigs with JWH when I have nothing better to use or im lazy. Just lick the cig lightly, or use a sponge or something, and dip it around like coke.

When you light it, hold the flame away from the tip, try to vape it through the cig, then smoke it like normal once youve done that.
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Do you have any experience dipping them like one would dip a pcp cig?

I'd like to make some of my JWH-018 into a liquid solution so that I could either spray the solution into a cigarette with a syringe or ideally just dip the cig in the liquid like one would do with pcp.

My problems- not sure what liquid would work best, I have no idea what they use for sherm. I don't smoke much JWH-018, so if I made a gram of powder into solution I'd like it to not degrade for several months.

I'm also unsure of how much liquid a cig will hold, on average, if you dip it into a vial of liquid. A dose of JWH-018 is fairly similar to a dose of PCP if you consider how much gets wasted, I'd like maybe 5-10 mg of JWH to be on each smoke.

So basically I'm unaware of the proportion of JWH : liquid that I need and also I don't know what solvent to use.

The reasons I want to do this are for novelty, convenience and sneakiness when I'm out and about. I also always eye out my JWH-018 doses, and it'd be nice to not have to do that so much.
 
Paranoid & Anxious smokers please comment

It seems to me most drugs force effects upon you but with weed I've always found the high to be very similar to how I feel in general with all my thoughts before I smoke up. Like if I tell myself I'll get stimulated and do "something" then I smoke up and do that thing and maybe even get some adrenaline rushes and other pleasurable sensations. If I want to sleep really bad but can't I'll smoke and think of how nice sleep would be and it will knock me out!

If I have very big problems in my life or just any problem that has been taking up my time and energy thinking about it sober, you can be sure I'll think about it in a different more psychedelic perspective once I smoke. Analyzing it heavily and thinking of how I could apply this logic to my sober mind set if it seems like the solution or just to keep thinking if I don't have the answer.

Weed has been one of my most comfortable, euphoric, stimulating highs, most of the time I do it. It's only when I feel uncomfortable in the people I'm with, the environment I'm in, or my own uncomfortable problems that I feel I need to stay sober to decide on that ruin the high. Weed only amplifies my current mood and thoughts to a more stimulated, psychedelic feel that can be intensely enjoyable or debilitating for even basic functions. It's mostly enjoyable because most of the time I'm pretty happy with life when I smoke and do it by myself or only close friends.

When I was addicted to heroin I had a few major problems that started me using it, before I was even doing it these problem thoughts caused my weed high to be full of paranoia, fear, and anxiety. Then when I was in the addiction those three things just got worse when I smoked up UNLESS I was also on heroin, then it was the same old great high.

I think most people that don't enjoy weed just need to figure out their problems, unbearable thoughts, or beat a troubling addiction to something else. Then try smoking again once you have forgiven yourself for all those things you caused yourself/others and you'll have a great high once again. Or maybe if the high is good or not all depends on how negative or positive you feel before it about everything going on in your life you can think of/have experienced. Anyways after I quit h for at least a month my weed highs started being amazing again!
 
What am I supposed to be commenting on? Isn't it intuitive that anything can be 'good' if you change your perspective on things?

I think the reason that many people don't enjoy weed is because either they don't want to, or because marijuana effects different people differently. Look at any description of pharmaceutical drugs... different people feel different effects. Why would pot be different?
 
it just feels to me that the pot high changes more so on how you feel before/as you do it, like if I'm with new people and I think about being uncomfortable before or during the high I'll feel even more uncomfortable. Until I just think about not thinking about that one thing and change my thought loop/area I start feeling comfortable.

With almost all other drugs when I do them if I'm uncomfortable they will FORCE me to feel at least somewhat more comfortable always. They force happiness in at least small amounts whereas weed has always made me feel as if all my senses instantly are more intense and vivid, forced thoughts about all things positive or negative just whatever is more important. Opiates/stims/depress have always made me able to forget/block any negative thoughts from being thought of during the high, but they always come back the next morning. This is why I love weed it allows me to figure out my problems instead of running from them with other drugs.
 
I see what you say... euphoria and a sense of well being aren't a fiat acompli of blazing. In my opinion, that is why it less destructive than so many other drugs.

When I do oxy or dexie, sometimes I feel better for it afterwords as drug induced reconciliation is better than no reconciliation at all. My soul searching while phucked up on pharms can sometimes plant a seed in my mind for looking at things with a healthy perspective.
 
Yeah all drugs CAN give you a positive look at things if you use them without trying to escape anything at all. If you are specifically using them to combat negative thoughts as I was using heroin, then the drug won't help you make the changes you need/want. At least it didn't for me until around when I got sober from heroin.
 
^You want to use acetone. Cheap, evaporates quickly, dissolves JWH well. It shouldn't be too difficult to weigh a container of acetone before and after you dip to work out what weight of acetone is soaked up, and thus the right ratio of drug to solvent.

PCP is usually dissolved in petroleum ether or diethyl ether AFAIK. Please do not use these solvent, particularly the latter, they are dangerous. Acetone. Use acetone.
 
^Yeah I had heard that PCP was dissolved in ether, but I'd heard this from people on the street so I didn't know if it was true. I'd never fuck around with ether (I inhaled it once and I felt like it had damaged my brain, not to mention the incredible flammability), but thanks for the advice. For some reason I think it'd be really cool to have a vial of JWH I could just dip joints and cigs into. I'll report back if I do this, but it might be a while due to sloth.
 
^I would suggest using a solvent that isn't hazardous to your health! stick with ethanol, or even isopropyl, depending on which JWH you are using: acetone may be a more efficient solvent in that it dissolves more readily into and dries off more quickly, but it also leaves all kinds of residue and isn't good for you. not to mention the fact that when you say "acetone" most people go out and buy industrial acetone rather than food grade. although I suppose you're right, acetone over ether :P
on another note, you should be VERY careful with the dipping method! it's quite easy to overdose so start small! maybe use a squirt bottle or something for a more even distribution? though that can't beat the ease of a single dip. just please let it dry ALL the way if you're using any solvent! (other than ethanol, where it shouldn't matter as much)
 
I knew to use food grade acetone, but wasn't aware it could leave residues. Acetone is what most people use for making JWH-infused plant blends.

Ethanol is a pretty good idea seeing as I can get 99% ethanol nearby super cheap.

I'm using JWH-018. I was thinking that it seemed easy to put too much on, but I can easily handle 10-15 mg of JWH so I figure if I dilute it so that a very liberally coated cig has 6-8 mg, it'd be hard to accidentally do too much.

Still, a syringe applicator for it might work better because then less liquid would get on the paper, and it would be more accurate and barely harder, especially considering I only smoke JWH a few times per month now.
 
psychomimetic said:
Do you have any experience dipping them like one would dip a pcp cig?

-yes

I'd like to make some of my JWH-018 into a liquid solution so that I could either spray the solution into a cigarette with a syringe or ideally just dip the cig in the liquid like one would do with pcp.
-have done it several times - found it easier and more effective to simply lick side of cig, and then "snowcap" the tip of the cig, then use the cig as a vape and then smoke as normal, melting the JWH and inhaling the melted invisible vaper as I light the cig. Remember to keep the flame far away

My problems- not sure what liquid would work best,
-Non-Denatured ONLY, read some of my older posts - I have a video of HOW TO MAKE THIS LIQUID, DOSE CORRECT PER SPRAY, AND WHAT TO USE/ RATIOS
I have no idea what they use for sherm.
-fermeldahide =D
I don't smoke much JWH-018, so if I made a gram of powder into solution I'd like it to not degrade for several months.
-then make a home-made batch - again find my video, shows you how to do that. I've done that same with 20 grams of pure powder and made pounds of highly strong home made blends.

I'm also unsure of how much liquid a cig will hold, on average, if you dip it into a vial of liquid. A dose of JWH-018 is fairly similar to a dose of PCP if you consider how much gets wasted, I'd like maybe 5-10 mg of JWH to be on each smoke.
-that'd be impossible to control unless you measured by the CC, it wouldn't work quiet like you would think - I've tried and cannot tell you why.

So basically I'm unaware of the proportion of JWH : liquid that I need and also I don't know what solvent to use.
-answered

The reasons I want to do this are for novelty, convenience and sneakiness when I'm out and about. I also always eye out my JWH-018 doses, and it'd be nice to not have to do that so much.
-and ya friggin welcome - Chainer
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See above.
 
Obviously you should only use acetone that evaporates cleanly. IPA metabolises to acetone, so it's not really any healthier. Ethanol is expensive as hell. tbh, I think that people should be more worried about the toxicity of the Chinese-synthed unresearched cannabinoids they're using (which certainly were not made using food grade chemicals!) than that of volatile solvents.
 
This is most odd.

I complained on here and to friends IRL for the past couple years that I couldn't really enjoy weed the way I could several years ago. I used to LOVE and crave it!
Then I lost the magic, became insanely sensitive to it and only got really negative, anxious effects from it.

Now suddenly in the past sort of 2 weeks, I have somehow just turned back around to really enjoying it, no ill-effects and just pure pleasure! I feel it is pretty much absolutely dependant on your morale in day-to-day life. When I was confident and comfortable in life, I loved smoking. Then I grew more anxious, had several problems, drug habituation (other stuff) and Marijuana negatively affected me.
Now I'm back in full time work, feel like I have a sense of direction , actually have a plan with my life now and feel generally better, suddenly the effects of Marijuana have done a massive U-Turn and I am thoroughly enjoying it again.
 
Jak3 said:
Have you looked into xanax? I'm not big on referring someone to take a drug due to another drug but xanax honestly might help with the anxiety. As for like quality of life, you just have to do some soul searching. Find your motive and let it guide you threw the hard times. Place yourself in positive enviroments, surrounded by positive people.
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yeah until you get addicted to benzos and have to experience the w/d

honestly i got lorazepam Rx because i freaked the fuck out on a weed a few times and have been everything from a daily smoker to a quazi"dealer" of pot in college back to a daily smoker and now at 25, the past few years ive had a few panic attacks and freak outs SO hardcore i think im going to quit. Now I have to taper off of the shit, as it was SO effective in cancelling freak outs and i also just like the day to day feeling of benzos. This is another story, but I'd say dont recommend benzos to anyone unless they understand the consequences of daily use

I almost fainted, i felt like my heart was going to explode, i felt like i was going to DIE once or twice. just from good ol budz (even my favorite strain, authentic OG kush, gave me a HARDCORE panic attack)

which sucks, because i have quite the collection of ROOR products and other fun things......

when i started experimenting with LSD, shrooms, MDMA, and other drugs, i noticed that the anxiety associated with any of those was at best maybe 10% of what it was on weed.

seems so ass backwards to me, but it is what it is.
 
I get the paranoid feelings, but only when i'm .. pretty much smoking at the wrong time or place. I think if ou're smoking in a place you feel comfortable, and you're 'allowed' to without pressure of certain people like parents/police/judgemental friends you feel mucho bueno
 
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