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Opioids Mega Merged: Ultimate poppy pod/seed tea thread - Part II

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you don't go around messing with your liver like that!!!" which got me nervous since i hadn't really thought about that side of things when trying to heighten my buzz. The thought that i might be causing potential harm to myself just didn't occur beforehand. So does anyone know roughly what doing this for X amount of time can do to a person, and/or if there is even potentially a risk of an interaction causing a severe adverse event?
 
Well when you make poppy tea isn't the stuff that gets you high in it basically morphine? If so, whatever the ceiling dose of morphine is..thats it. I doubt it is measureable because there are different sized pods.
 
The theory behind Wikepdeia's claim is that the other alkaloids present in the poppy will make one sick past a certian amount (they say around 5-6 pods) without getting one any higher.

I have experienced this at first when I started using pods however I still got very high except that the side effects were so powerfull that they made me extremly sick and I couldn't care less if I was high, the they overpowered the high. I just felt dizzy and threw up the entire next day while I had a splitting headache for half that day and without even re-dosing again I was out cold the next day with breaks of throwing up.

Maybe that is what they are talking about!

Now I hardly ever get any headaches at all but I never get violently sick like before. The powerful effects of the narcotic alkaloids have also gone way the fuck down as well, when before anything above 3 pods would have me flying and anything above 1 pod would have me buzzing now 3 pods don't do anything except maybe work for diareeah much as a Tylenol 3. To get high I need to take at least 5-6 pods at a time around 3-4 time during the course of 5-8hrs during the course of the day, until I am high. I take doses of 5-6 pods then wait and re-dose as neccessary.

As well the most I could take would be 9-10 pods within a 5 minute period anyways with my method since to make the most of the pods I just grind them up and eat them raw (swallow down with water, I used to do that with kratom too but found it too stimulating). I have tried the tea a couple times too and it hits much faster then my method however it doesn't last as long and most importantly when I started I needed 5-6 pods in tea to get the high/buzz that 2 grinded pods would give me, and a much more intense high at that.

It is common knowledge that even a slight thing such as running water on an item reduces it's nutrient content. So oviously we are doing something to the pods when making tea because the difference is huge between tea and raw.

Sorry to get off topic.
 
btw, How much morphine do you guys estimate (from experience) to be in 10 grams of pods (grinds, consumed raw)?
 
I have seen wildly disparate estimates so I wouldn't even hesitate a guess about morphine content.

If your theory is true and past a certain point the other alkaloids (which are present in very, very small amounts) get you sick then if you gradually increase your dose, like anything you'll build tolerance to those effects... Also wouldn't this be true with laudanum and other opium preparations? I've just never seen this claim so I'm curious.

Like 7m reported as well as many others on bluelight, people have eventually gone far past 6 pods in a day and not experienced what you mention... Maybe its tolerance to the other alkaloids, maybe something else.
 
Well if it helps at all, my usual dose dose is about 10 pods (Large, 6-7") I order 30 at a time cause I know I'll just do them everyday if I have a lot. Now to compare that dose to say Oxy, to me it feels like maybe 60-80mg, except it lasts for fucking ever.

I could easily handle maybe 15 pods if I really wanna nod, but I like to get 3 doses out of the order. Though I could tell you for sure that there's definitely a difference when using 15 opposed to 10.

Your main problem is the Re-dosing. When I was doin OC 80's, I would dose about 1 or 2 throughout the day, and at night I took 3 80's because it was a re-dose. I barely felt shit. Redosing opiates never gives you that nice fuzzy bliss you get from the first dose of the day.

At least for oral opiates, I can't speak about IV Dope as i never tried it. I know it's very tempting, but just try to enjoy the first dose of the day as you're just gonna be chasing an unattainable high if you re-dose.
 
i have a question, if you had a 3 month or so poppy pod addiction of daily use, and switched to hydrocodone to taper with, would the w/d be like hydro w/d or pod w/d? does it depend on how much hydro you use and for how long? thanks!
 
I dont know about others but when I use pods exclusively without any other narcotics for daily periods of at least a month and then I take 15mg hydrocodone or 10mg-15mg oral oxycodone on top of the pods to be about 6-8 times stronger. On a few occasions, I had 1 point of H last me 3-4 days of non stop nodding and chasing the dragon from day to night as long as I was taking normal doses of pods.
 
Do you think a low-Thebaine variety would make one less sick? I know its not the only nasty chemical in there, but its one of them.
 
Sentience said:
Do you think a low-Thebaine variety would make one less sick? I know its not the only nasty chemical in there, but its one of them.
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What is the low Thebain variety you speak of?


Thebain is said to give the stimulation, and I imagine it also gives some pain relief and euphoria. After all it's what big pharma makes hydro/ocycodone with.

As you know there's many alkaloids in ppt, thebain is just one of the ingredients that are potentially disagreeable.

When reading about refining the morphine out of pod tea with slaked lime, aside from organic material precipitation, I've only seen codeine mentioned as the product being largely removed. (?)

Who the hell knows what happens to the rest of the ingredients. Do other alkaloids stay soluble with the morhine. I'd imagine so.

Anyway, pod tea is bad news as far as I'm concerned. Just too much crap seems to be in there.

Again, what is this low thebain variety you speak of?
 
I have no idea, but Im sure some are higher than others. In fact, I know some are higher than others which means that some are also lower than others.
 
OEandricearoni said:
Well when you make poppy tea isn't the stuff that gets you high in it basically morphine? If so, whatever the ceiling dose of morphine is..thats it. I doubt it is measureable because there are different sized pods.
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No that's not my question, my question is how bad is it to use 800mg of Cimetidine (Tagamet HB) to potentiate a morphine high over an extended period of time?

Sure it's an OTC product that seems relatively harmless but it's something that's customizing the levels of different enzymes in your body to increase the kick you get from morphine - is there any collateral damage from doing that?
 
When people claim that the sum of opium is greater than each of its parts and that the blend of all alkaloids present gives a wonderfully unique experience, why is this so when, AFAIK, the only two active alkaloids are morphine and codeine, the latter of which has virtually no opiate-induced euphoria in users who have a significant tolerance?
 
Actually, thats not true. Many drugs in morphine are active on their own and many more either require the same enzymes to break them down which extends the life of the trip (24 hours or longer compared to 6) and also are pro-drugs, which means they are metabolized into various drugs in the liver. Some of the chemicals in O are converted into Hydromorphone for example. Thebaine is also a stimulant.
 
I think either morphine or codeine are metabolized into hydromorph, but I know there is a lot of conversion going on when you ingest it.
 
I saw some posts in this thread about evaporating the tea but not much. It's one of my favorite methods of dosing.

I make a strong tea and put it in a pyrex pan. I boil it on the stove until the level gets lower at which time I take it off so as to not scorch the alkaloids. I then put it in the oven on the lowest setting (170F). It leaves a powdery substance that can then be scraped off with a razor blade.

I put the powder on top of a plug of parsley flakes in my bong and slowly vaporize the powder.

I find it gives a quick, rather strong effect which leaves me feeling rather yucky the next day but it's good while it lasts. It's also a whole lot easier on the GI and you don't have to consume a whole bunch of liquid. It would also be handy for oral dosing where you don't want to drink too much liquid; you can just parachute the miniscule amount of powder.

It's also handy because you can make a big batch of it and put it in a bag so you can have it whenever you want. :)
 
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