Opioids Mega Merged: Ultimate poppy pod/seed tea thread - Part II

[ShineCrazyDiamond]

can you put the poppy pod powder into melted chocolate and eat it ?

As bow-viper stated "yes" you most certainly can. In addition to monitoring the temperature REMEMBER that consumption of pod powder can produce effects much greater than those realized from drinking tea. The amount of pods used should be REDUCED accordingly.

Be careful - Be safe

 

[ShineCrazyDiamond]

I wonder the same exact thing which is why i have always done it like this, grind pods to nice powder (normally 15 or so medium large pods) and like 3 cups of water, put on burner at a medium flame, stir constantly adjusting tempatures to bring to a simmer with little to no bubbles so the morphine alkaloid is not ruined, and i do this for about 20 minutes, i then strain in strainer then strain the mush in coffee filters. Now I have just gotten some "mammoth" sized pods (8-10") did a tea with about 9 pods and it seemed to be about the same amount of powder from when i did my original batches with medium sized pods, HOWEVER I drank half my batch and barely felt anything. Yes tolerance is a factor here but normally 15pod batch would yield about 3 doses and i would get extreme euphoria etc. from one 6-8 oz dose, what am I doing wrong? Im sure the question has been asked along these lines but I only could find the part 2 to this thread from searching and didnt see the info i was looking for: What can i do differently or in addition to what im doing to make a strong batch like i was getting from 15 pods.

There doesnt appear to be anything wrong with your process as evidenced by the fact that you have achieved your desired results in the past. Yes, tolerance could be the culprit however, every pod can vary greatly in the amount of alkaloids it contains. We are dealing with an organic material and unfortunately mother nature doesnt allow us lab standards. It could very well be that your last batch of smaller pods were just more potent than your current batch of jumbo pods. It is just the nature of the beast and because there are so many variables that could be considered it is impossible to guess exactly what is causing your current results.

There are a number of thoughts concerning opiate/opioid potentiation that can be found on the site that you might want to read up on. Just a thought.

Be careful - Be safe

 

[artaxerxes]

can you put the poppy pod powder into melted chocolate and eat it ?

You can. I'm sure if you mixed the grounds into molten (but not boiling) chocolate you wouldn't be degrading the active ingredients of the pods.

However, having a fair amount of daily use of the grounds, I'd predict that you'd have a bit of a time getting the grounds to go down when mixed with somethign as viscous as melted chocolate.

Now, this depends on your tolerance: if you only need 3-4 Tbsp. powder to get off, then it probably won't be a problem. However, if you need 3/4 - 1 cup of grounds, chocolate would be a bad idea.

I've tried a lot of media to get the grounds down: I started with yogurt: ok; went to apple sauce: not bad; yogurt with a small amount of fizzy water (better than both); to a protein drink (Odwalla SuperProtein); to GFJ. The yogurt with sparkling water and the SuperProtein worked best. The problem with chocolate and yogurt is that you end up with a gloppy mess of grounds and medium so you pretty much have to eat the stuff. And that's difficult to do.

I think the best way to get them down is to mix them in a juice to that they're drinkable. Suppress your gag reflex and chug. I should mention that I used fresh-squeezed GFJ. The pulp helps to suspend the ground particles, thereby allowing it to slip down your throat easier.

 

[QuasiStoned]

BTW I wrote down earlier what i thought would duplicate parts of my time, well except i went to go pass out half way through because i felt like i had used a ton of poppers. anyway, if you wanted to be me the first hour imagine taking:

large amount of zinc enough to cause hot skin/flashes
two shots of vodka
Like 400-500mg of dxm but never quite get to onset
drink 3 gallons of water super fast (for the distended stomach)
50mg Methylphenidate (imagine just the jitter and headache not the amp)
barely threshold codeine dose

It's interesting that you should say that. I'm a regular user of poppy pod tea (I mantain myself on this shit, WD's after 24 hours etc) and I definitely would say that your comparison is valid, and very interesting to me.

I've been using poppies for roughly a year now, and I'm pretty sure I've built up a bit of tolerance to some of the other alkaloids. Even still, pretty much everytime I drink the tea (even a mantainence dose) it causes my skin to flush, particularly my face and scalp. I've assumed it to be a histamine reaction.

As for the distended stomach, if I drink enough tea and then eat something I feel like I get full almost immediatly and I know the sensation you describe, like my stomach is bulging. I usually only get that after I eat, but if I drink enough tea I notice it too sometimes.

Right around the time I start to notice the morphine high, I also feel a slight physical stimulation (like the side effects of speed I suppose without the mental effects) and I also notice an increase in muscle rigidity which sometimes reminds me of DXM. Oftentimes I notice jaw clenching too after drinking a recreational dose of tea. In addition to all of this, I usually notice a moderate morphine buzz at the same time too. Many of these effects used to be more profound when I first started drinking it. I remember a few times I had to lay down because I was overwhelmed by the effects and was feeling a bit jittery and lightheaded.

All of these things sort of make sense though when we analyze some of the alkaloids.

Morphine: This one is obvious, this accounts for most of the positive effects of the tea.

Thebaine: Seems to have a physical stimulatory effect, probably responsible partially for that "feels like speed w/out mental effects feeling."

Noscapine: This is an interesting constituent. Noscapine is primarily a sigma receptor agonist. Know what else does this? Dextromethorphan! I'd be willing to bet that this contributes to the stimulation and muscle rigidity (jaw clenching too). Check out the wikipedia entry on noscapine, it's sorta interesting

 

[QuasiStoned]

You can. I'm sure if you mixed the grounds into molten (but not boiling) chocolate you wouldn't be degrading the active ingredients of the pods.

However, having a fair amount of daily use of the grounds, I'd predict that you'd have a bit of a time getting the grounds to go down when mixed with somethign as viscous as melted chocolate.

Now, this depends on your tolerance: if you only need 3-4 Tbsp. powder to get off, then it probably won't be a problem. However, if you need 3/4 - 1 cup of grounds, chocolate would be a bad idea.

I've tried a lot of media to get the grounds down: I started with yogurt: ok; went to apple sauce: not bad; yogurt with a small amount of fizzy water (better than both); to a protein drink (Odwalla SuperProtein); to GFJ. The yogurt with sparkling water and the SuperProtein worked best. The problem with chocolate and yogurt is that you end up with a gloppy mess of grounds and medium so you pretty much have to eat the stuff. And that's difficult to do.

I think the best way to get them down is to mix them in a juice to that they're drinkable. Suppress your gag reflex and chug. I should mention that I used fresh-squeezed GFJ. The pulp helps to suspend the ground particles, thereby allowing it to slip down your throat easier.

You are a braver man than I am. I tried once and only once to eat the grounds, put them in yogurt and wasn't even able to eat the dose I had decided to use.

I honest to god could never imagine chugging grapefruit juice with poppy grounds in it, I shudder at the very thought. Oddly enough, I have no reservations drinking thick bitter tea. To each their own though.

 

[ShineCrazyDiamond]

^ I always consume the powder/grounds. I always thought...waste not, want not. I put the powder right into a very strong cup of coffee. It can be brutal but for me very strong coffee seems to mask the taste very well.

Indeed to each their own.

 

[artaxerxes]

You are a braver man than I am. I tried once and only once to eat the grounds, put them in yogurt and wasn't even able to eat the dose I had decided to use.

I honest to god could never imagine chugging grapefruit juice with poppy grounds in it, I shudder at the very thought. Oddly enough, I have no reservations drinking thick bitter tea. To each their own though.

No, see, this is why you should try it. It's shockingly easy. I thought it would be horrible. But for whatever reason, this has been the method that's almost painless. It's not as easy as drinking tea, but you save money because you're using grounds only. (altho, I agree, if you don't mind using extra pods for tea, the tea is easy to get down compared to grounds.)

There's something about the bitterness of the GFJ and the pod grounds that works together. You don't even taste the pod grounds. And the GFJ is thick enough to suspend the grounds so they just go straight down the hatch.

I am probably not describing it accurately enough, but I highly recommend this method. I did the yogurt thing and it was brutal. Same with apple sauce because it wasn't thin enough. It's the thickness of the mixture that makes it so difficult to swalllow.

When I tried the GFJ thing, I could just chug the whole thing. Keep in mind that i have to do about 3/4-1 cup of grounds so it any method is very difficult.

But I highly recommend the GFJ method. It might surprise you how easy it is to get it down. Oh yeah, I only use fresh-squeezed GFJ, so it's expensive, but it's the combination of pulp and juice that makes it work. It's all a matter of proportions. The mixture has to be thin enough to gulp. But it also has to be thick enough to suspend the ground particles. I've done a lot of experimentation b/c I want to get my dose down but I hate gagging.

 

[QuasiStoned]

I believe you bro, but for whatever reason I very much dislike powder in my beverages. Did you ever make tea before with a strainer? I use a crappy strainer to make my tea and there's always powder that gets through and ends up on the bottom. Anytime I get to the bottom of the cup if I drink that crap on the bottom I gag everytime. Guaranteed.

I think that I didn't particularly enjoy the effects when I ingested the grounds either. Tea seems to come on pretty quickly and I really like that part

Should I ever feel adventerous enough to try to down grounds again, I'll definitely take your advice and give it a shot though.

 

[DJ_KorKy]

does anyone have an answer to the question i had in last post or qouted rather, Originally Posted by yemil
I've read that a lot of people use their coffee maker to produce the tea and I was just wondering if that water would be too hot and degrade some of the alkaloids?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Did you read the answer ShineCrazyDiamond (love the name ) posted? It's worked for you before, so unless you are increasing the heat to the point where degradation occurs, it's just a matter of you got some pods with a lesser alkaloid content. It happens.

 

[cire113]

How do pods store in the long term once they are dried??

What is a good way to store them? will just in a plastic bag suffice?

 

[DJ_KorKy]

misunderstood

^ Did you read the answer ShineCrazyDiamond (love the name ) posted? It's worked for you before, so unless you are increasing the heat to the point where degradation occurs, it's just a matter of you got some pods with a lesser alkaloid content. It happens.

no no no, my question was also about whether using a coffee maker works since its got high temp water goin through and what not, ive read many ppl saying to do it that way, i dont because i was nervous itll be to hot and ruin alkaloids so my question was does the coffe maker method word?

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Are the coffee makers you guys talk of the ones that hold a coffee filter into which ground coffee is present where hot water trickles through the filter full of coffee and into a glass coffee jar which sits on a hot plate (which keeps the coffee warm)?

Can someone please answer my question about whether more alkaloids could be extracted with alcohol than water? If so, would it be a bad idea to use pure hot isopropyl alcohol BP which would be added to the pod straw to soak and then filter off the alcohol and evaporate the alcohol to leave pod putty?

Or would a better (more cost effective?) plan be to use 37.5% vodka which is available in the supermarket? Unfortunately a very high percentage spirit (e.g. in excess of 70-90% ) is not readily available in the UK where I live (or anywhere in the UK as I have heard) and so the only alcohol preparations that are available to me are standard vodka (37.5% ), 70% isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) or 100% pure isopropyl alcohol (which costs about £5-£8 ). Which should I ideally use to extract as much of the target substance, morphine as is practically possible?

Also, I don't know whether this is the place for this, but I was wondering, would opiates (which are powerful anxiolytics which I would have thought would have the potential to prevent or reduce pretty much any degree of anxiety if the dose is right) 'cloud' a psychedelic experience? I have heard this before but wanted someone to confirm it before I decide that opiates waste a good trip. If they do, would a viable alternative be to take a relatively low to moderate dose of a decent psychostimulant e.g. ADD meds to counteract the sedation induced by narcotics (one low enough to reduce the likelihood of heart problems from occurring but high enough to keep the person wide awake and alert even when under the influence of the narcotic)?

 

[dankoni]

All people having difficulty getting the straight grounds down... listen. This is coming from a daily pod ground consumer I know who spent the majority of his habit on tea. Try the toss and wash method. I know it sounds difficult and nasty, but it's honestly the best way. We've tried apple sauce, yogurt, all types of liquids, etc.

The problem with mixing it in a substance is the substance takes on the taste of the grounds (Yuk!) and usually becomes really thick. The best way to combat this is to use something that covers the taste and make sure you get the grounds swallowed before they have time to impart their flavors to the liquid. We find orange juice to be the best, but I'm sure GFJ works fine as well (we just don't like GFJ, which sucks for us due to its potentiating properties). So anyway, the best method is to simply dump a spoonful in your mouth at a time, take a big swig of OJ, mix it around in your mouth and swallow it as quickly as possible. Make sure you are grinding your pods to a very fine powder for this method of course. We use a coffee grinder, but a good blender works well too. The taste is practically non-existent. Literally. It's much better than the taste of the tea, and this opinion comes from people who got to the point of not even using a chaser with straight tea.

With tea, we've done french press, soft boil, hard boil, stovetop espresso maker (this is the best method of making tea in our opinion), etc. This is better than any tea for a whole host of reasons:

1. More bang for your buck. The grounds last longer and are more potent than the best tea, which makes your supply last longer.
2. It's easier and faster. No brewing time makes it much less of a hassle. For daily users, this is a HUGE time saver.
3. The taste is much better. There basically is no taste at all besides the taste of the liquid you chose.
4. More portable. It's not always easy to make a batch of tea away from home and transporting doses of grounds is much easier than transporting doses of tea.
5. No guessing on method. No worrying about destroying alkaloids with temperature, not getting all the goodies into the tea, etc.
6. The amount of fiber you get with this method. Anyone who has been using tea (or any opiate) for a long time will tell you about the problems with constipation. My wife actually got internal hemorrhoids from tea drinking and I've had my fair share of digestion issues. The amount of fiber you get eating the grounds is enough to counteract the constipation. I'm more regular now that I've even been... including the years before I used any opiates.
7. Easier to measure doses. If you have a digital scale, you know the exact dose every time and splitting between people is a snap.

In short, grind the pods to a super fine powder (flour like), put a spoonful in your mouth, take a big swig of OJ, mix it all up in your mouth and swallow within a few seconds. Repeat until desired amount is ingested. Most pod users eventually find their way to straight grounds and this is the best method of ingestion by far.

 

[Mr Blonde]

no no no, my question was also about whether using a coffee maker works since its got high temp water goin through and what not, ive read many ppl saying to do it that way, i dont because i was nervous itll be to hot and ruin alkaloids so my question was does the coffe maker method word?

Are you sure they meant use a coffee maker like the kind that drips the liquid down through a filter at a very high temperature? I wouldn't use that with my pods, however I have heard pod tea makers refer to using a French coffee press, where you push down through the liquid to separate the solids and the liquid.

Also, I don't know whether this is the place for this, but I was wondering, would opiates (which are powerful anxiolytics which I would have thought would have the potential to prevent or reduce pretty much any degree of anxiety if the dose is right) 'cloud' a psychedelic experience? I have heard this before but wanted someone to confirm it before I decide that opiates waste a good trip. If they do, would a viable alternative be to take a relatively low to moderate dose of a decent psychostimulant e.g. ADD meds to counteract the sedation induced by narcotics (one low enough to reduce the likelihood of heart problems from occurring but high enough to keep the person wide awake and alert even when under the influence of the narcotic)?

Have a look through PD, but I'm sure I've seen opioids recommended there as providing a nice body load without clouding the mind too much. I definitely would not be adding a stimulant for added 'clarity' however; stimulants and psychedelics can sometimes not mix too well.

As for your alcohol question, have you tried googling the solubility of morphine in ethanol?

 

[vy3lo]

the grounds are so hard to eat by themselves

but i found that size has little to do with potency

strain and conditions grown and harvested usually dtermine the potency

 

[enzymex]

I can vouch for artaxerxes' grapefruit juice method. I use freshly squeezed grapefruit juice with plenty of pulp and throw the grounds in the solution. Stir, put it into fridge to cool down, and most importantly to let the grounds soften for at least about 20-30 mins. You can't really even taste the grounds this way and they pretty much feel like pulp when they're soft enough.

 

[JayKay]

can anyone help clear up confusion over Tagamet, and and calcium cabonate as potentiators vs inhibitors?


In his book OFTM, Hogshire says "Opiate absorption is inhibited by taking antacids, so layoff the Tums while eating opium!"

I have heard Tagamet being promoted as an alternative to grapefruit juice to inhibit P450 3A4. Are Hogshire's concerns relative with Tagamet?


Also heard to take a couple Tums after the tea (and after oral opiates), to mix calcium carbonate into the water before brewing the tea...

Was Hogshire stating incorrect advice, or is there something that is being overlooked in an effort to increase the morphine%?

 

[Leftley]

In malta fields and fields of poppies grow, and alot of them are opium poppies, but i've never harvested because, it seems a little hot with the police, if you cut poppies and people who know what it is see it, then you go back like 4 hours later to retrieve it, who knows if the police are waiting.

In percentage how many people do you think really know what opium poppies are, if its a low amount i might start loading up real fast.

 

[cire113]

I recently ingested pods then a couple days later puked for 2 days straight and thought i had food posoining, lost 10 pounds....

Then just the other day i tried the same pods and had terrible stomache churning and diarrhea..

The high was great both times but i have a feeling ive got some bad pods or something....

Are they supposed to make your stomache feel like its getting cut up by knives...

Im kinda afraid to take pods now considering what happened. but maybe i need to try a different batch