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does the amount of boiled water matter for pod tea
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8( I've been reading about PST and PPT and have some confusion. Maybe someone can answer the questions that I just don't understand.
In making PST, its apparently desireable to use tap water cold or lukewarm so as not to reduce the morph content.
In making PPT (pods), it appears most are using coffee makers or expresso machines (thus hot water) after grinding up the pods from shredding to using a coffee bean grinder.
What I don't understand is as what you want is on the outside of the item (unless pods are infused, that I can't seem to find out) then would not HOT water ruin or reduce the amount of good stuff from the pod? Everyone is different, that's well known. What may work for you, may not work for me. So many variables including the obvious differences in seeds/pods as far as strength goes and tolerance levels in an individual.
So, bottom line, both methods work for the speciic item I mentioned? cold for seeds, hot for pods? Coffee bean grinder ok for pods? Run it thru a coffee machine a few times? I'm getting in a load of pods tomorrow (unfortunately I don't know if they are of the Papaver Somniferum family as I wasn't aware of this until last night, so dang much to read!). But, I believe they are, at least they are poppy pods, not a spiny cactus. I'm just confused as to the tempature of the water issue and juice or water? I got some seeds (it will come up in a normal google search, not naming names but it's a 5# jug and they are mostly dark purlish to light grey and I really had to up the amount to get any effect-I do have a high toleraance and the seeds, although dated to expire 12/09 smelled stale. Is that normal?). So I don't want to waste the pods, I'm to broke now to be screwing around and ending up with product that is worthless. Any input (and I'm sure there's many schools of thought out there, I've read so much the last few days, my eyes have gone on me). but I mainly am concerned about temp of the water for pods. Thank you all!![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
oh yeah, one other thing. Living in the southwest, I know of huge wild fields of specifically the AZ Poppy. Are these worth the time to go and get the pods (on National Forest land, still have to check laws about this, but mostly cactus are what's protected in AZ, and not the state flower, etc.) Just wondered if worth the time and effort. What the heck, they'd be free (if worth it). Hope I didn't say anything wrong here, I'm new so excuse me if I am out of line anywhere. Thanks again folks!
Bill
8( I've been reading about PST and PPT and have some confusion. Maybe someone can answer the questions that I just don't understand.
In making PST, its apparently desireable to use tap water cold or lukewarm so as not to reduce the morph content.
In making PPT (pods), it appears most are using coffee makers or expresso machines (thus hot water) after grinding up the pods from shredding to using a coffee bean grinder.
What I don't understand is as what you want is on the outside of the item (unless pods are infused, that I can't seem to find out) then would not HOT water ruin or reduce the amount of good stuff from the pod? Everyone is different, that's well known. What may work for you, may not work for me. So many variables including the obvious differences in seeds/pods as far as strength goes and tolerance levels in an individual.
So, bottom line, both methods work for the speciic item I mentioned? cold for seeds, hot for pods? Coffee bean grinder ok for pods? Run it thru a coffee machine a few times? I'm getting in a load of pods tomorrow (unfortunately I don't know if they are of the Papaver Somniferum family as I wasn't aware of this until last night, so dang much to read!). But, I believe they are, at least they are poppy pods, not a spiny cactus. I'm just confused as to the tempature of the water issue and juice or water? I got some seeds (it will come up in a normal google search, not naming names but it's a 5# jug and they are mostly dark purlish to light grey and I really had to up the amount to get any effect-I do have a high toleraance and the seeds, although dated to expire 12/09 smelled stale. Is that normal?). So I don't want to waste the pods, I'm to broke now to be screwing around and ending up with product that is worthless. Any input (and I'm sure there's many schools of thought out there, I've read so much the last few days, my eyes have gone on me). but I mainly am concerned about temp of the water for pods. Thank you all!
oh yeah, one other thing. Living in the southwest, I know of huge wild fields of specifically the AZ Poppy. Are these worth the time to go and get the pods (on National Forest land, still have to check laws about this, but mostly cactus are what's protected in AZ, and not the state flower, etc.) Just wondered if worth the time and effort. What the heck, they'd be free (if worth it). Hope I didn't say anything wrong here, I'm new so excuse me if I am out of line anywhere. Thanks again folks!
Bill
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"Also it seems Ive jinxed myself on the coffee grinder thing. My coffee grinder just broke (the top part wont unlock, so I cant open it). Now I have to figure out a way to crush up pods without a grinder.."
GEt big scissors and a aerosol can. cut the pods with the scissors then put them in a square flat dish and use the bottom of the aerosol can and stand it up and push on the lid with your body weight to pulverize the pod material. the lip on the bottom of the can is like a metal punch and cuts the pods up pretty fine.
GEt big scissors and a aerosol can. cut the pods with the scissors then put them in a square flat dish and use the bottom of the aerosol can and stand it up and push on the lid with your body weight to pulverize the pod material. the lip on the bottom of the can is like a metal punch and cuts the pods up pretty fine.
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8( I've been reading about PST and PPT and have some confusion. Maybe someone can answer the questions that I just don't understand.
In making PST, its apparently desireable to use tap water cold or lukewarm so as not to reduce the morph content.
In making PPT (pods), it appears most are using coffee makers or expresso machines (thus hot water) after grinding up the pods from shredding to using a coffee bean grinder.
What I don't understand is as what you want is on the outside of the item (unless pods are infused, that I can't seem to find out) then would not HOT water ruin or reduce the amount of good stuff from the pod? Everyone is different, that's well known. What may work for you, may not work for me. So many variables including the obvious differences in seeds/pods as far as strength goes and tolerance levels in an individual.
So, bottom line, both methods work for the speciic item I mentioned? cold for seeds, hot for pods? Coffee bean grinder ok for pods? Run it thru a coffee machine a few times? I'm getting in a load of pods tomorrow (unfortunately I don't know if they are of the Papaver Somniferum family as I wasn't aware of this until last night, so dang much to read!). But, I believe they are, at least they are poppy pods, not a spiny cactus. I'm just confused as to the tempature of the water issue and juice or water? I got some seeds (it will come up in a normal google search, not naming names but it's a 5# jug and they are mostly dark purlish to light grey and I really had to up the amount to get any effect-I do have a high toleraance and the seeds, although dated to expire 12/09 smelled stale. Is that normal?). So I don't want to waste the pods, I'm to broke now to be screwing around and ending up with product that is worthless. Any input (and I'm sure there's many schools of thought out there, I've read so much the last few days, my eyes have gone on me). but I mainly am concerned about temp of the water for pods. Thank you all!
oh yeah, one other thing. Living in the southwest, I know of huge wild fields of specifically the AZ Poppy. Are these worth the time to go and get the pods (on National Forest land, still have to check laws about this, but mostly cactus are what's protected in AZ, and not the state flower, etc.) Just wondered if worth the time and effort. What the heck, they'd be free (if worth it). Hope I didn't say anything wrong here, I'm new so excuse me if I am out of line anywhere. Thanks again folks!
Bill
I think that cold/warm water is used more for the seeds since you're just rinsing off residual morphine from them, and don't actually need to leach the morphine and other goodies out from inside the cellular matrix like you would with pods. It has nothing to do with destroying the morphine, since only boiling water would run the risk of doing that. With pod tea, you want the water pretty hot in order to actually get the good stuff out from the pods. I usually boil the water, and then cool it just enough so that it's hot, but no longer boiling. Then I steep the pods in the water, strain, and you have perfectly viable tea. It has worked fine for me every time! The morphine and such are actually on the inside of the pods, not just on the outside, so you will need hot water to steep the pods in since you're not just rinsing off the morphine as you would with PST.
Is the AZ poppy papaver somniferum? Because that's the kind of poppy you want...if the AZ poppy is anything like california poppies, they look similar to P. somniferum, but they dont contain opiate alkaloids. So read up a bit on your species before you go attempting to use that particular strain.
Hi All,
I recently kicked a 1 year daily habit with pods. It took me 3 tries. WD was just horrible. I could not believe how hard it was to kick. Every minute was like an eternity. You tell yourself, just 5 more days and it'll get better. But that's hard as hell when minutes seem to last forever.
The first 2 days I used vics to keep it somewhat controllable. 28 vics in one day and it had almost no effect. Yes I said 28 vics. 20 the next day. Well certainly not even a bit of a buzz, just kept the wd from being insane the first 2 days. Hell I can remember when 4 vics would get me a nice buzz.
On day 3 I stopped the vics and switched to loperamide. 100mg per day for 3 days and then began tapering it. Again this helped a lot. It 100% stopped the faucet nose and eased the restless leg syndrome. But did nothing for the depression. I could not even smile for 6 days. It was like I was a emotionless zombie. On day 7 I finally felt like I was getting back to normal. Then it improved a bit every day. It's now been 3 weeks off and I still feel a little flat.
Pod tea is some serious stuff. Hydrocodone is not even in the same league. I could not believe how the pods raised my tolerance to the point that 28 vics had no effect. Yet I could still nod on a good strong dose of the tea.
Don't let it take over. It happens fast. And then gets expensive as well.
I recently kicked a 1 year daily habit with pods. It took me 3 tries. WD was just horrible. I could not believe how hard it was to kick. Every minute was like an eternity. You tell yourself, just 5 more days and it'll get better. But that's hard as hell when minutes seem to last forever.
The first 2 days I used vics to keep it somewhat controllable. 28 vics in one day and it had almost no effect. Yes I said 28 vics. 20 the next day. Well certainly not even a bit of a buzz, just kept the wd from being insane the first 2 days. Hell I can remember when 4 vics would get me a nice buzz.
On day 3 I stopped the vics and switched to loperamide. 100mg per day for 3 days and then began tapering it. Again this helped a lot. It 100% stopped the faucet nose and eased the restless leg syndrome. But did nothing for the depression. I could not even smile for 6 days. It was like I was a emotionless zombie. On day 7 I finally felt like I was getting back to normal. Then it improved a bit every day. It's now been 3 weeks off and I still feel a little flat.
Pod tea is some serious stuff. Hydrocodone is not even in the same league. I could not believe how the pods raised my tolerance to the point that 28 vics had no effect. Yet I could still nod on a good strong dose of the tea.
Don't let it take over. It happens fast. And then gets expensive as well.
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I've never bothered to try poppy pod tea because I've always assumed it would be pretty weak, but I'm curious. I've never really seen anyone comparing pod tea to something I could relate to - anyone want to venture a bald ass guess in terms of a comparison to say dope or oxy? I haven't used anything for a couple of months and even then it was only two seperated days (450mg oxy between the two). And it was months and months before that. I seem to have developed some kind of permanent tolerance though as I really don't get too much of a reaction below say 60mg of oxy or a quarter gram of tar (a tenth if I'm really lucky).
So I realize they all vary and no one could say, but hell, even a guess that was off by a factor of 2 would be fine.
So I realize they all vary and no one could say, but hell, even a guess that was off by a factor of 2 would be fine.
how much opium do you end up getting from a pod exactly anyway? Do the people in afghanistan use giganthiums or do those not produce much opium/latex as normal poppies?
Like, for 100 poppies, of average(i dunno, ping pong ball size) poppies, how much opium could you get if you extracted max amount of the latex stuff?
Like, for 100 poppies, of average(i dunno, ping pong ball size) poppies, how much opium could you get if you extracted max amount of the latex stuff?
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does the amount of boiled water matter for pod tea
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we need a super ppt enthusiast to answer all these ?s
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no, u really dont. think about it.
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1.AZ poppies are not the same, they dont contain active levels of opiates.
2.the amount of water doesnt matter for pods, just depends on how much you feel like drinking.
3.there is a thread somewhere about how much morphine/codeine is in a pod, it said something like 1.8 mgs of morphine per small pod. of course pods vary in opiate content greatly, so this number could be totally useless. ive seen this same question asked in a couple posts, there is no way to tell because of all the variables. use the search.
2.the amount of water doesnt matter for pods, just depends on how much you feel like drinking.
3.there is a thread somewhere about how much morphine/codeine is in a pod, it said something like 1.8 mgs of morphine per small pod. of course pods vary in opiate content greatly, so this number could be totally useless. ive seen this same question asked in a couple posts, there is no way to tell because of all the variables. use the search.
Pillthrill
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Does a coffee filter steal from the tea?
Artificial Emotion
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^ Yes, but you can minimise the amount lost if you press the gunk filtered off.
Poppy Pod Tea help
Thanks Pallidamors & Daysonatrain for your answers. I think I fully understand the cold/hot issues. So, I'll try the hot boiling slighly cooled water on the pods I have after griding down to a fine powder. I did do this the other night but got very little of a trip, just a small, very small bzzz. Course I didn't use much (perhaps 2 tsps of powder from extra-large pods). I just located guarnteed to be right pods also, as I'm not sure of the variety I got. Also, good to know not to waste my time frolicking around the AZ poppys as they are not the right genus. Thank you both, very informative!
Bill
Thanks Pallidamors & Daysonatrain for your answers. I think I fully understand the cold/hot issues. So, I'll try the hot boiling slighly cooled water on the pods I have after griding down to a fine powder. I did do this the other night but got very little of a trip, just a small, very small bzzz. Course I didn't use much (perhaps 2 tsps of powder from extra-large pods). I just located guarnteed to be right pods also, as I'm not sure of the variety I got. Also, good to know not to waste my time frolicking around the AZ poppys as they are not the right genus. Thank you both, very informative!
Bill
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Ok, no wonder no one would even touch my question. I saw the 1.8mg morphine per small pod guess thing and just had no idea what to make of it. even understanding that the pods people get are way bigger than that i was trying to figure out if i could even take an orally active dose for me. Always had a flatline 0 response to oral morphine until it went up waaay high, though i haven't done it in forever since i know it doesn't work.
Anyway I thought of this thread and asked a friend who i know gets poppies if i could drop by and have a few. He said sure and come on over. I asked him how many of these i should take (they are uh, jumbos? i think and the right strain) and he asked me what i do these days and i've been clean for a good while just with a day or two here or there, been a month or two but my tolerance just has never gone down basically at all for 9 months. so the answer was a bit shy of a 1/4 or say 90-120 oxy for a pretty reasonable time. He laughed and said good fucking luck with these and went into his pantry and came out with a big bucket full... maybe 40? not sure. Asked again and he said shit, i dunno, 8? 10? somewhere in there.
Anyway I got home and wasn't feeling particularly smart when my mate with a pantry full of pods enough to give me a bucket full laughs at my dose after being basically clean for so long. Oh well, life of a degenerate
So I just remembered from being here before that the coffee grinder + drip maker sounded like the least effort and since he seemed to basically say you won't feel a thing I didn't see a point in eeking out every last eh?
So I ground up 8 like he said and made the stuff with 6 cups of water, poppy grounds were heaping almost to the top of the filter... not sure how many tb that is as that much coffee would give me a heart attack for sure. Anyway, doesn't matter. Brewed it out, blech well i've drank plenty plenty worse. Let it cool down and had it in a guinness handle mug pretty much full.
Anyway, got through almost all of it before i stopped and wtf??? I certainly was feeling it, but it couldn't be what you guys feel. I know there are tons of alks in it but man, is it supposed to feel like the dirtiest fucked up thing? Surprisingly I was getting quite a significant reaction. But it was almost a 100% body buzz, no opiate mental is that right? And feeling hot/hot flashes, getting the impression that i am just about to break out into the biggest histamine reaction but never did. And my stomach felt like it swelled up until it was distended? Kind of a hot head and mild headache, with full/hot/distended stomach kind of at times thought slightly of puking but it really wasn't anywhere close. But def a mild feeling something sorta like too much dope. Anyway my whole body felt like it had swelled into a basketball for a while, and when i got up and walked i had a couple of misteps def some kind of intoxication sign, but my head still feeling mostly clear except for a headache and hot, kind of feel like i'm making myself seasick when i'm walking and i imagine i'm sloshing around.
Maybe 20-30 minutes later and stomach bloating and whatnothas gone away, in general body high has calmed down (it was really raging.. i'm not sure i've ever felt an ope do anything remotely like that??) but certainly still there. very light histamine reaction but nothing really. On hold waiting to talk to a tech that's getting a db patch for me, i'm on the phone for like i dunno, another 20-30? I'm reading here and i'm getting the urge just to post and yell at everyone that has 420 in their name haha. I mean that bugs me but i'm not usually mental. So i go to put some music on but then john denver comes on the on hold music and i scream fuck fuck fuck and slam down the phone in the cradle like 3 times??? Whoah, i mean, i never ever ever ever do anything resembling that. Nothing else going on with me at all, 100% has to be the pods. So I just chill for a bit, start feeling less angry, but i'm noticing i'm more and more confused just stuffed head op type feeling but hmm, not sure just dirty feeling. and then like an hour, hour and half ago my left eye starts drifting??? Fuck that can take like soooooo much dope before my eye goes, usually has to be like a 3rd round or up around 250-300 oc for a good amount of hours.
Anyway, sorry i'm going on but i have to say my head is very woozy and this just seems so odd to me, i mean i've been dying to get anything close to a sane single dose on anything for so long lately and the thing that rocks me is poppy tea?
There must be one or more alkaloids besides the morphine that i'm really sensitive to or just never developed a tolerance to? must be one or more of the receptors i just never get tickled? doesn't feel at all mu like, maybe k like kind? i guess all of them probably? whatever it is i wish it would have at least taken this damn headache at some point heh.
Well over all I'm damn sure I took too much. Unless maybe you all think i did something wrong? just ran the coffee pot through once, didn't even bother to squeeze the filter (as i thought fuck whats more of nothing). I guess I'm glad I didn't.
Is this like some kind of an acquired feel? like some receptors that just never get hit need to get used to it? I'm not sedated at all really, except the eye is going bonkers like i'm well and proper topped off. eeesh.
Trying to think of what i've reacted to and not last 6 mos or so. Seems like i've had a couple very proper .15-.2 (maybe .25 but that would be showing weak i think) of tar, runs like 40-60% here all give or take. Or say 90 oc, 120 really, nice but not wrecking at all. Hmm. took like 6 or 7 50mg pure codeine caps of 10 my guy had sent me a while ago as a sample but got absolutely 0. not surprising as codeine has never done me much though usually it would have itched. had some tramadol for a bit of tooth painwas taking maybe 4 or 6 with pretty decent amounts of otc just for a few days it helped for sure but assumed it was the snri.
well anyway whatever rocked me in this im sure not tolerant to like everything else, heh. actually feeling somewhat better now as the headache left. jaw clench? not what i'd call reasonable but if this is what it felt like at the start i might have said ok. but god, sooo nasty dirty jitter speed body opium basketball for hours. Can't imagine really desiring this again even assuming it'd be better lower. How odd! Well was enlightening. I certainly understand what they mean by dozens of actives now, shit i had dozens of reactions!
If you have comments for me i'm happy to hear em, i mean i do realize i had too much, but unless i somehow burned the good stuff off or god knows what i can't imagine it magically going 180 just a little lower, would it? even if it would eek.
sorry for rambling, uh, you know why.
peace
Artificial Emotion
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Would using vodka allow for more active alkaloids (mainly morphine and codeine) to dissolve from dried pods into solution than when using tap water?
Also does anyone know the average amount of morphine per gram of dry p.somniferum pod straw?
Also does anyone know the average amount of morphine per gram of dry p.somniferum pod straw?
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hey so i figured out what the feeling was like from the first few hours of my poppy roller coaster ride. it was almost exactly like coming up pretty hard on dxm can be, but before you really loose your lunch or your mind. That was probably the biggest thing that really chaffed me as i am definitely not looking to do dxm again in my life heh.
So it's like um, 16 hours later? and I am still having a noticeable (but less) eyeball wag, its kinda felt like some parts of a small but noticeable methadone dose - been a fair bit of sedation for a good long time now and i passed out for a few hours back around then and my contact rolled all the way behind my eye which is something done has always fucking done to me i dunno why. just like loose eyeball muscles or something. so at T+16h i'm pretty sure i am a severe outlying experience for this shit huh?
BTW I wrote down earlier what i thought would duplicate parts of my time, well except i went to go pass out half way through because i felt like i had used a ton of poppers. anyway, if you wanted to be me the first hour imagine taking:
large amount of zinc enough to cause hot skin/flashes
two shots of vodka
Like 400-500mg of dxm but never quite get to onset
drink 3 gallons of water super fast (for the distended stomach)
50mg Methylphenidate (imagine just the jitter and headache not the amp)
barely threshold codeine dose
^^ haha that is quite a cocktail. was like that for 2 hours then sorta switched around but i didn't figure it all out yet. definitely some like sub dose of salvia feeling, cut in some roid rage, later heavier codeine and a real dose of ritalin with the amps... then like i said more like methadone and then poppers and i passed the fuck out.
odd!
So it's like um, 16 hours later? and I am still having a noticeable (but less) eyeball wag, its kinda felt like some parts of a small but noticeable methadone dose - been a fair bit of sedation for a good long time now and i passed out for a few hours back around then and my contact rolled all the way behind my eye which is something done has always fucking done to me i dunno why. just like loose eyeball muscles or something. so at T+16h i'm pretty sure i am a severe outlying experience for this shit huh?
BTW I wrote down earlier what i thought would duplicate parts of my time, well except i went to go pass out half way through because i felt like i had used a ton of poppers. anyway, if you wanted to be me the first hour imagine taking:
large amount of zinc enough to cause hot skin/flashes
two shots of vodka
Like 400-500mg of dxm but never quite get to onset
drink 3 gallons of water super fast (for the distended stomach)
50mg Methylphenidate (imagine just the jitter and headache not the amp)
barely threshold codeine dose
^^ haha that is quite a cocktail. was like that for 2 hours then sorta switched around but i didn't figure it all out yet. definitely some like sub dose of salvia feeling, cut in some roid rage, later heavier codeine and a real dose of ritalin with the amps... then like i said more like methadone and then poppers and i passed the fuck out.
odd!
This confuses me.Ive gotten AZ Poppies that were also labeled papavar S. They most certainly had active opiates.So is there a difference in papavar S. poppies grown in AZ as compared to an actual strain called AZ poppies which are not papavars?
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yes their are ARIZONA POPPIES, and then POPPIES FROM ARIZONA. arizona poppies will not do shit.
i just ordered some poppies from arizona and hope they arrange nice, since the last time i had them they were not to good.
i just ordered some poppies from arizona and hope they arrange nice, since the last time i had them they were not to good.
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