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Sorry mods for posting everywhere I'm kinda shaky wd right now.
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Jabberwocky
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macbrown, don't double or triple post in the future. just edit your original post and add in anything extra.
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I've been a tea drinker for nearly a year now and I'm currently a daily drinker. I have tried nearly every method available: 30 min steep, 2 hour steep, overnight steep, short boil, long boil, adding calcium, adding baking soda, adding lemon juice, etc. I have tried it all. Well I just tried a new method and it works better than ANY OTHER METHOD by far. Get yourself a stovetop espresso maker and you will have the strongest tea per pod ratio you have ever tried. I did a lot of research and this is the best one BY FAR: http://www.amazon.com/Bialetti-Express-Espresso-Maker-06801/dp/B000SOQI0E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1235867400&sr=1-3. TRUST ME, you want to try this method. I had the 6cup, but it was too small. The 9cup is PERFECT for making a dose for myself and my wife, but you might need the 12cup version if your tolerance is high.
Strongest tea possible, takes 10-15mins to make and NO REWASHING. The person I found this method from saved 12 days worth of used pods from the espresso maker and did a 2 hour steep rewash on them. 12 days worth of used pods and got NOTHING from the rewash. This thing extracts every little bit of flavor from your pods and it does it in 10-15mins start to finish. If you are a tea drinker, you MUST give this little miracle a try!
Strongest tea possible, takes 10-15mins to make and NO REWASHING. The person I found this method from saved 12 days worth of used pods from the espresso maker and did a 2 hour steep rewash on them. 12 days worth of used pods and got NOTHING from the rewash. This thing extracts every little bit of flavor from your pods and it does it in 10-15mins start to finish. If you are a tea drinker, you MUST give this little miracle a try!
Bludda
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Poppy Seed Tea causing potential health problems - kidney stones e.t.c.
I go through bouts where I take PST regularly and I do wonder what this may be doing to my health.
I remember reading once on BL someone posting about how his doctor told him to be careful with PST because poppy seeds contain a variety of oils and minerals that could be harmful when taken in large and/or repeated doses. I've been thinking about this for a while and decided to do a little research.
100g of poppy seeds contains on average 1400mg of calcium - or 140% of RDI (recommended daily intake). Given that an effective batch of PST for someone with no tolerance would have to at least contain 200-300g of seeds (at a very conservative estimate - for instance, I usually use +500g of poppy seeds), that is A LOT of calcium one is taking. Even if you account for the fact that you won't be getting all of the calcium from the seeds, just that which is being washed out - repeated use coupled with a standard diet is gonna be providing your body with way more calcium than it needs (especially if you take a daily multivitamin pill). Of course, this is all based on the assumption that a significant amount of calcium does get washed off the seeds - I may be wrong here.
Acute (short term) excessive calcium intake can contribute to the formation of kidney stones, which are friggin painful and can cause a whole host of complications. Excessive calcium intake can also lead to the formation of calcifications in blood vessles and organs.
It has also been shown that long term excessive calcium intake inferes with calcium absorption, has been linked to cardiovascualr disease and causes prostate cancer and ovarian cancer (this may be opening up a can of worms though because there is some debate over this).
100g of poppy seeds also contains 6.8mg of manganese or 341% of RDI. High exposure to environmental manganese can cause a nervous system disorder similar to parkinsons disease - though it must be noted that environmental exposure is different to dietary exposure. A high dietary intake of manganese does not usually produce symtpoms of manganese toxicity, however in severe cases of manganese consumption people have been known to develop a syndrome called "manganese madness" which causes hallucinations, insomnia, violent acts and irritability. Over consumption of manganese is also thought to cause impotence. Those with liver disorders or underperforming livers are more susceptible to manganese toxicity.
However, high doses of calcium can inhibit the absorption of manganese. Hahahaha, so it seems to come around in a loop.
Sorry for the long post, but these are only two of the many, many nutrients found in poppy seeds - and while I'm sure many will find fault with and dispute my assumption that these nutrients are effectively washed from the seeds during the process of making PST, my point is that PST may not be a very safe thing to indulge in on a regular basis (and here I'm sure alot of you are saying "No shit, Sherlock.")
For a long time I have been of the opinion that PST is fairly 'safe' stuff (provided you watch your dose and try not to get addicted). I'd be interested to know what you guys think. All the info I have cited is EASILY found on the net, just google poppy seed nutritional info, and then excess dietary complications for any of the nutrients listed.
I would also be very interested to know if any regular/long term users of PST have suffered from kidney stones or calcifications.
Respect and peace
EDIT: btw I've been drinking a nice, long glass of PST as I have been writing this 8)
I go through bouts where I take PST regularly and I do wonder what this may be doing to my health.
I remember reading once on BL someone posting about how his doctor told him to be careful with PST because poppy seeds contain a variety of oils and minerals that could be harmful when taken in large and/or repeated doses. I've been thinking about this for a while and decided to do a little research.
100g of poppy seeds contains on average 1400mg of calcium - or 140% of RDI (recommended daily intake). Given that an effective batch of PST for someone with no tolerance would have to at least contain 200-300g of seeds (at a very conservative estimate - for instance, I usually use +500g of poppy seeds), that is A LOT of calcium one is taking. Even if you account for the fact that you won't be getting all of the calcium from the seeds, just that which is being washed out - repeated use coupled with a standard diet is gonna be providing your body with way more calcium than it needs (especially if you take a daily multivitamin pill). Of course, this is all based on the assumption that a significant amount of calcium does get washed off the seeds - I may be wrong here.
Acute (short term) excessive calcium intake can contribute to the formation of kidney stones, which are friggin painful and can cause a whole host of complications. Excessive calcium intake can also lead to the formation of calcifications in blood vessles and organs.
It has also been shown that long term excessive calcium intake inferes with calcium absorption, has been linked to cardiovascualr disease and causes prostate cancer and ovarian cancer (this may be opening up a can of worms though because there is some debate over this).
100g of poppy seeds also contains 6.8mg of manganese or 341% of RDI. High exposure to environmental manganese can cause a nervous system disorder similar to parkinsons disease - though it must be noted that environmental exposure is different to dietary exposure. A high dietary intake of manganese does not usually produce symtpoms of manganese toxicity, however in severe cases of manganese consumption people have been known to develop a syndrome called "manganese madness" which causes hallucinations, insomnia, violent acts and irritability. Over consumption of manganese is also thought to cause impotence. Those with liver disorders or underperforming livers are more susceptible to manganese toxicity.
However, high doses of calcium can inhibit the absorption of manganese. Hahahaha, so it seems to come around in a loop.
Sorry for the long post, but these are only two of the many, many nutrients found in poppy seeds - and while I'm sure many will find fault with and dispute my assumption that these nutrients are effectively washed from the seeds during the process of making PST, my point is that PST may not be a very safe thing to indulge in on a regular basis (and here I'm sure alot of you are saying "No shit, Sherlock.")
For a long time I have been of the opinion that PST is fairly 'safe' stuff (provided you watch your dose and try not to get addicted). I'd be interested to know what you guys think. All the info I have cited is EASILY found on the net, just google poppy seed nutritional info, and then excess dietary complications for any of the nutrients listed.
I would also be very interested to know if any regular/long term users of PST have suffered from kidney stones or calcifications.
Respect and peace
EDIT: btw I've been drinking a nice, long glass of PST as I have been writing this 8)
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Jabberwocky
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dankoni, im going to merge your thread into the poppy mega thread. this thread is all the way back from 2005.
Jabberwocky
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merging into poppy mega thread
mr.dopeman
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hey, i have a major question, anyone ever make a succesfull smokeable tar from poppy pods??? plz PM if you have!!!
mr.dopeman
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help with morphine
if im making a poppy pod extract following a alcohol then evaperation process, can i treat the alcohol with naptha to remove the fatty oils w/o removing morphne? im assuming the morphine will be freebase since its just the stuff thats been washed off the pods. the real question is if the morphine freebase is soluble in naptha. so can anyone help me out here?
if im making a poppy pod extract following a alcohol then evaperation process, can i treat the alcohol with naptha to remove the fatty oils w/o removing morphne? im assuming the morphine will be freebase since its just the stuff thats been washed off the pods. the real question is if the morphine freebase is soluble in naptha. so can anyone help me out here?
Mr Blonde
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Morphine in pods is present as morphine maconate I believe.
Merging into the poppy pod mega thread.
Merging into the poppy pod mega thread.
FOr anyone who's interested, I'm about to try the expresso maker method and compare it to the slow drip and french presss methods.
recipe 7 garg pods+lime+1.5 litres of water(6 cups of water I think).
Will edit with results.
I suppose this could be a comparison of both turkish vs domestic pods as much as it could be a prep method comparison.
Put the pod straw through the espresso machine twice, resulted in an usually dark liquid... brownish orange in colour compared to the usual yellow tinted brown.. in essence it is a lot darker liquid than usual. In the cup the liquid looks like black coffee before the addition of milk or cream compared to looking like the normal color of held in piss( you know when you cant piss for a few days and you finally go and your piss is really dark yellow colour) << well thats the usual colour of my slow drip method.. I always wondered if the darker the tea the more potent but the yellow drip method liquid was always strong and top notch, I think slow drip coffee machines heat the water to just the right temperature... very close to boiling but not hot enough to damage the alkaloids... whereas french press seems to get the water a little hotter and I've even seen my water boil in a french press.
It should be noted as well these pods are from the same vendor, same size as my usual order.. except these gargs are "turkish".. They may be more potent, I'm not sure and for that reason this cannot be a defining test for french press/drip vs expresso. Anyway it might be interesting.
Total time to prepare: 17 minutes
Total time to drink: 7 minutes
Taste: The taste was quite similiar to the other gargs, except these pods taste almost the exact same as grass(lawn grass not the fun kind). Taste is dirtier, rawer, pretty bitter, not unpalatable.
Effects: Effects came on a bit slow, took about 2 hours for me too fully feel it, first signs it was kicking in was me staring at my name on piece of paper and grinning wildly. Those first giddy effects were short lived, the tea definitely got rid of my w/d's, no question, plus a small high too boot.. kinda like taking 10mg oxy without any tolerance... noticeable floaty feeling, slight mood lift, the works... I was expecting a little more, I get these effects at the same dose of my drip coffee normal garg method, I thought because the tea was darker it might be stronger but no go. Now I'm going to attempt to get a decent buzz going, 16 gargs+doxylamine to give me a decent high I think will do right now.
In summary, I mean... There are variables, I did use a different strain(or maybe it was the same strain and just a marketing ploy? Idk), but the effects were pretty similar, aside from the darker liquid which I attribute to the different strain, there wasnt much of a difference. Though after thinking about it I think t he espresso method gets the water hotter than the drip coffee maker does, a lot hotter, takes an extra 5 or 10 minutes to cool down to drinking temp( which may mean more alkaloids get extracted?)
I'm in the process of making a tea out of 16 gargs, So far I've got 5 litres of the orange tinted dark brown liquid and as I type this I look over and see that the cofee maker is still producing dark brown water from the poppy straw, there must be a hell ova lotta alkaloids in this.
Maybe I could have gotten better results from the espresso machine If I kept running it through until the water ran clear as I'm doing now.. didn't think of it at the time, oh well.
Perhaps tomorrow I'll try the espresso method again, but this time extract it all until the water is clear, I'm sure I didn't get ALL the alkaloids with only the few washes I did, but only using 7 pods I can't be certain how much more I'd get.
So until I try again I'll say the espresso and slow drip methods of making tea are about equal, but the drip method is a lot easier so I'll stick to that until I get proof otherwise.
Definitely gonna try the esp again, hopefully with more significant results.
-v4l
recipe 7 garg pods+lime+1.5 litres of water(6 cups of water I think).
Will edit with results.
I suppose this could be a comparison of both turkish vs domestic pods as much as it could be a prep method comparison.
Put the pod straw through the espresso machine twice, resulted in an usually dark liquid... brownish orange in colour compared to the usual yellow tinted brown.. in essence it is a lot darker liquid than usual. In the cup the liquid looks like black coffee before the addition of milk or cream compared to looking like the normal color of held in piss( you know when you cant piss for a few days and you finally go and your piss is really dark yellow colour) << well thats the usual colour of my slow drip method.. I always wondered if the darker the tea the more potent but the yellow drip method liquid was always strong and top notch, I think slow drip coffee machines heat the water to just the right temperature... very close to boiling but not hot enough to damage the alkaloids... whereas french press seems to get the water a little hotter and I've even seen my water boil in a french press.
It should be noted as well these pods are from the same vendor, same size as my usual order.. except these gargs are "turkish".. They may be more potent, I'm not sure and for that reason this cannot be a defining test for french press/drip vs expresso. Anyway it might be interesting.
Total time to prepare: 17 minutes
Total time to drink: 7 minutes
Taste: The taste was quite similiar to the other gargs, except these pods taste almost the exact same as grass(lawn grass not the fun kind). Taste is dirtier, rawer, pretty bitter, not unpalatable.
Effects: Effects came on a bit slow, took about 2 hours for me too fully feel it, first signs it was kicking in was me staring at my name on piece of paper and grinning wildly. Those first giddy effects were short lived, the tea definitely got rid of my w/d's, no question, plus a small high too boot.. kinda like taking 10mg oxy without any tolerance... noticeable floaty feeling, slight mood lift, the works... I was expecting a little more, I get these effects at the same dose of my drip coffee normal garg method, I thought because the tea was darker it might be stronger but no go. Now I'm going to attempt to get a decent buzz going, 16 gargs+doxylamine to give me a decent high I think will do right now.
In summary, I mean... There are variables, I did use a different strain(or maybe it was the same strain and just a marketing ploy? Idk), but the effects were pretty similar, aside from the darker liquid which I attribute to the different strain, there wasnt much of a difference. Though after thinking about it I think t he espresso method gets the water hotter than the drip coffee maker does, a lot hotter, takes an extra 5 or 10 minutes to cool down to drinking temp( which may mean more alkaloids get extracted?)
I'm in the process of making a tea out of 16 gargs, So far I've got 5 litres of the orange tinted dark brown liquid and as I type this I look over and see that the cofee maker is still producing dark brown water from the poppy straw, there must be a hell ova lotta alkaloids in this.
Maybe I could have gotten better results from the espresso machine If I kept running it through until the water ran clear as I'm doing now.. didn't think of it at the time, oh well.
Perhaps tomorrow I'll try the espresso method again, but this time extract it all until the water is clear, I'm sure I didn't get ALL the alkaloids with only the few washes I did, but only using 7 pods I can't be certain how much more I'd get.
So until I try again I'll say the espresso and slow drip methods of making tea are about equal, but the drip method is a lot easier so I'll stick to that until I get proof otherwise.
Definitely gonna try the esp again, hopefully with more significant results.
-v4l
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THB I forgot I hadn't finished it, thankfully you bumped it or I would've forgotten completely
Hope it helps someone, too many variables to determine if its a superior or inferior method though.. I will def try again and do a better job of control and accuracy.
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So whats the scoop with this poppy pod tea? Would I be able to catch a nod off it if I haven't used any opiates in almost nine months? Approximately how many pods am I going to need to get there? Are some types of pods more potent than others? Thanks
Im talking 2.5 average pods(not giganthiums) for a first timer.
Bludda
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Depending on the strength & type of pods and how the tea is brewed, 6-8 hours for the 'primary' effect. But sometimes there is a residual effect well into the next day (up to 18-24hrs)..... IMHO....
...your mileage may differ...
peace out
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