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[MEGA] God v.2

Not all atheists object to other people's ideas of god, they just mock them behind their back in their spare time. Just like you can make fun of atheists because you (may or may not) believe they are going to burn in hell for being a non-believer.
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Except I don't make fun of atheists. I don't make fun of anyone for their beliefs.
 
You have to remember, about 1/3 of the world's population are Christians. I personally think belief is good, so long as you choose yourself what to believe in and are not forced there by others or life events. I personally do not follow religion as I do not agree with organised religion, my beliefs stem much closer to the idea of there being no creator at least in the shape of a being, however I believe that the earth and universe are very much alive and that they are a central part in our lives, something far more ancient and powerful than any man-made impression of the ego (Aka God). However that is not to say that I believe that someone believing in God is wrong, I believe that religions started as a means to interpret spirituality in a different way, it does not matter so much what you believe, what matters is that you believe something.

Anyone else agree?
 
^ Yes. I'll agree with the general notion that it's good idea to believe in something greater than yourself, and that there's nothing inherently wrong with using your heart and your imagination to speculate about where you fit in the big picture.
 
im simplyi going to say, all is one, there is no seperation. god is a word, you could give it to everything that exists but it would be pointless. i had a moment of 'finding god', realising that all is one
 
I'm a med student and therefore don't know much about philosophy/physics, but here's my opinion anyway.

-According to the medical scientific method, the totality of the world is based in only what you can perceive and experience empirically- i've come across a myriad of different epistemological frameworks- this is the one that has proved most useful to me personally.

-From empiricism it follows that god exists as a creator, given that everything that can be observed and thus understood has to begin and end and is therefore finite (given infinity is beyond measurement) and has therefore to be 'created'.

-Taking the existence of matter as a valid (cogito ergo sum etc), i think that what we experience as the universe is a manifestation of a temporary separation between 'matter' and 'anti-matter' that occured as the moment of creation.

-I think of God as a creative phenomena that provoked this temporary division.

-This is not the same as big bang theory- which only explains the process of the expansion of the universe from after its emergence from a singularity. This means big bang theory doesn't try explaining what caused this creation to occur and thus how the physical universe came to exist.

-When the two matters are separated by this creative phenomenon, matter assumes characteristics which allow its perception via its interaction with different kinds of energy i.e. radiation, atomic energy.

-As for what energy actually is, I have no idea- maybe its a vibration/by-product of the inherent instability of matter/anti-matter which 'leaks' from the two mediums.

-But it doesn't explain why 90% of the universe is occupied by dark matter, and only 10% matter, rather then 50-50 which would be logical for the two to cancel one another out? And it also gets stuck at the point where to explain what god actually is.

-According to this theory, when this polemic between anti matter and matter is resolved (which is inevitable if time is considered infinite and linear and matter cannot expand infinitely) i.e. the two become one, cancel each other out and equal zero (1 + [-1] = 0).

-Normality is therefore resumed as universe returns to an equilibrium that is imperceptible/inconceivable to us because it does not exist in a physical sense- although 'god' must be a part of this nothingness in order to have sparked the creative division.

-Since we cannot understand the concept of nothingness, it is implied that god is also unknowable.

-Question- should i have multiplied 1 by -1 (which = -1 i.e. the model is wrong) since the antithesis of division is multiplication, which is implied as necessary by my return to zero-sum?
-The original division of matter and anti-matter is also mathematically impossible since nothing/anything (i.e. 0/n) = 0
-therefore 'mathematically' we both cannot exist and cannot not exist.
-I've gone wrong badly wrong somwhere as evidently god can divide zero and thus produce the universe.
 
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MyDoorsAreOpen said:
^ Yes. I'll agree with the general notion that it's good idea to believe in something greater than yourself, and that there's nothing inherently wrong with using your heart and your imagination to speculate about where you fit in the big picture.
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Nothing inherently wrong in a purely idealistic fashion, but in reality things are much darker. While there are some that can practice religion entirely in peace, history has taught us that religion is a very destructive thing. I am not just talking about wars, I am talking about the retardation of science and logic.

Since religion, by definition, is based on faith and lacks any substantive proof, none of the various flavors can be shown as superior. In the end, you have people fighting each other over which imaginary friend is better. There are too many downsides and better alternatives to advocate such a primitive ritual.
 
alex-112 said:
Writing this took me about 6 hours, pity me.
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Yikes. As a medical student I hope that you don't go off on these tangents often, your time is too valuable.

And psychoblast, once again you are throwing around the word consciousness as if it has no meaning. A rock being affected by gravity is not consciousness, no matter how loosely you would use the word. Unless you want to completely re define the word, that is.

Mynameisnotdeja, how could you say that god is all the love in the universe? What would that even look like? Love is a specific emotion experienced by individuals and enabled by the limbic system. You can't group that together as a single entity, it just does not make sense. Sounds nice, but it is just nonsensical.
 
Enlitx said:
Yikes. As a medical student I hope that you don't go off on these tangents often, your time is too valuable.
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My time is no longer valuable as i finished my exams last week, four months of menial labour to look forward to, but thanks for the concern :)
 
Enlitx said:
Nothing inherently wrong in a purely idealistic fashion, but in reality things are much darker. While there are some that can practice religion entirely in peace, history has taught us that religion is a very destructive thing. I am not just talking about wars, I am talking about the retardation of science and logic.

Since religion, by definition, is based on faith and lacks any substantive proof, none of the various flavors can be shown as superior. In the end, you have people fighting each other over which imaginary friend is better. There are too many downsides and better alternatives to advocate such a primitive ritual.
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Did I say anything about religion?
 
Enlitx said:
Ok, replace religion with unfounded belief in a supernatural power. Although religion seems to concentrate the evils sprung from faith based ideas, the source is still the same.
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You can't prove your rejection of faith to be superior to any of the flavors of supernatural belief, either. No matter what, life is transitory for each of us, this entire universe in its present form is transitory, and this existence is each of ours to love, live, and believe however we see fit.
 
Just wanted to let you guys know, that even though I haven't contributed to this in a while, I appreciate all of the responses. I was really interested to see several different viewpoints on the issue of a god existing. While I don't think a god really exists, after seeing how passionate some people are, I realize they have every right to it. I sort of view as really believing in a god naive, but there are a lot of things that can't be proven or disproven. People definitely believe in a lot of crazy, untrue things, I think religion is up there but everyone has a right to believe anything they want. Once again, thank you all for contributing, I really appreciate the earnest thoughts about religion.
 
Id like to share my beliefs if you don't mind. Im not trying to bring down anyone or hate on anyone but these are just my beliefs. Religion to me is just a distraction to the true nature of what really goes on, therefore i do not believe in religion nor do i believe in the god portrayed by religion. I believe there is a higher power, which in all honesty i don't know what it is i just believe there is a higher power.

Now here is something to think about. I sorta follow this type of belief. Oh and by the way i didn't write this so I don't take any credit for it.


Alright for this scenario I am going to refer to the "God" as It.

Everyone knows dimensions are real, it's not an opinion it's a fact. If you believe in alternative dimensions or not that's irrelevant, layered dimensions (1D, 2D, 3D etc) exist.


We live in the third dimension. Imagine this It exists in the tenth dimension. It can see us, in fact everything in every layer below it but we can not see it. We all have multiple "paths" in life. You can go to highschool and finish, or drop out, go to university, be a dentist or a janitor, etc. God is supposedly all knowing and all seeing. The 10D thing can travel to any point of time, in any path, in any layer of the multiverse. It would be able to know whatever it wants that happened, is going to happen, or could have happened.

Now I don't know everything about all religions, I'm not going to pretend I do. Christianity is shoved down our throats everywhere so I am going to use that as an example. Heaven is in the clouds supposedly, but no one can find it. Why? Because if you believe in this way, when you die you become a spirit or whatever. This spirit may exist in another dimension, where heaven and hell also are. This would explain this completely.

This It may or may not have created us. Most likely yes, but it doesn't have to of created us

Now if you wanted to make it more confusing there a million different scenarios. This It could possibly reside in a lower dimension, such as the fifth for example. There could be a higher being in a higher dimension still.

Further, this It might not be an It at all, there could easily be multiple of these beings. There could be one "God", or a whole civilization. It (or they) could be microscopic in size, or as big as you can possibly imagine. It could be the universe, or just a shapeless thing.

It could be more intelligent then we can comprehend, or it could have no mind at all. Like the H.P. Lovecraft stories, it could be a mindless idiot that lives in the center of the universe that created everything and destroys all by mindlessly blowing on a flute.


This theory would explain every religion, "ghosts" (why no one can see them properly, because they are higher than us), heaven, hell, etc.
 
people need to stop being so apologetic over religion

this is religion we're talking about. worse than hitler, stalin, whatever you want to name. more deaths and misery and inhumanity than any other belief system (arguably)

so if you think there is no god, Say it proud! and theists can eat my banana
 
Once again, believing in God does NOT mean you are supporting religions which have caused deaths and misery. My belief in God has zero to do with any religion of the past.

And besides, religion doesn't cause deaths or misery, it's people using it as an excuse to spread hatred or do terrible things. It's like the whole guns kill people vs people kill people argument. Don't blame religion for horrible things of the past when there are plenty of people who follow religion and live peaceful, happy lives and don't judge or force it on others. Anything can be interpreted almost any way someone chooses to and there are infinite ways different people interpret religion or spirituality.

Lumping things together and drawing those sorts of lines is not something I can understand in general. Everyone is unique and hardly anyone has the exact same beliefs as another.
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
Once again, believing in God does NOT mean you are supporting religions which have caused deaths and misery. My belief in God has zero to do with any religion of the past.

And besides, religion doesn't cause deaths or misery, it's people using it as an excuse to spread hatred or do terrible things. It's like the whole guns kill people vs people kill people argument. Don't blame religion for horrible things of the past when there are plenty of people who follow religion and live peaceful, happy lives and don't judge or force it on others. Anything can be interpreted almost any way someone chooses to and there are infinite ways different people interpret religion or spirituality.

Lumping things together and drawing those sorts of lines is not something I can understand in general. Everyone is unique and hardly anyone has the exact same beliefs as another.
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Religion was killing people long before the "guns kill people" argument even began. To have millions murdered and say that no one is responsible is ridiculous.
 
What are you talking about? PEOPLE murder other people, not religion. It has nothing to do with it coming before the "guns kill people" argument. You clearly missed the point of what I was saying...?

Religion is not some big guy with a gun that kills people. If people murder people and use their religion as an excuse, that is still murder, being done by people. People use all sorts of things as excuses to do horrible things. There is no reason to attach spirituality to murder and holocausts just because some people have twisted their religions around as an excuse to murder. That has nothing to do with spirituality whatsoever. The original topic of this thread was bluelighters loving God, not religion.

And when did I say "no one" is responsible???

Sometimes, I swear I feel I am talking in a foreign language when I try and get points across on these threads.... I don't get it. :\
 
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