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Bluelighter
If by ancient gods you mean "interfering alien civilizations"....
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MyDoorsAreOpen
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This.
I also often wonder whether WE'RE all ideas in the mind of GOD, rather than vice versa (emanationism).
capstone
Bluelighter
^Tools of cosmic consciousness existence to experience?
who're you calling a "tool"! 
yeah, so to speak. consider a singular omnipotent and omnipresent being being everything. no purpose. no value. how would one appreciate life if it was a static indefinite state? it would be impossible. to fracture and shatter the oneself into all the things and creatures that make up what is, the one can experience the pain, joy and ultimately the important value of existence. even if the process of mortal experience is illusion, it still makes this point.
yeah, so to speak. consider a singular omnipotent and omnipresent being being everything. no purpose. no value. how would one appreciate life if it was a static indefinite state? it would be impossible. to fracture and shatter the oneself into all the things and creatures that make up what is, the one can experience the pain, joy and ultimately the important value of existence. even if the process of mortal experience is illusion, it still makes this point.
ebola?
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my opinion is that this type of illusion is illusory only in appearing complete/encompassing when it isn't.
B9
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AyeI see god as the totality of existence; the entire universe, and the underlying algorithm that unites it as one system. I am a part of god and so are you.At least that's what I believe.
I'm not sure what label you could apply to me. I'm certainly not a theist, and I don't think I'm a deist either. But I guess that I do believe in some sort of "supreme being" now that I think about it, but I don't believe it is elusive in any way-- its everywhere around us, inside us, outside us, far away, close by, over here, over there, and everywhere. It just Is.
Something like god is everything - the universe if you will - omnipresence/omnipotence/omniscience ring a bell ? - allowing the the children to play as they wish in his beard - which is of course metaphorical and very real I got trapped in it once & he needs to comb it more frequently the idle old bugger!
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There's a story I once heard as an undergraduate minoring in Japanese. It's legendary, and I can't verify it, but it goes along with the point you're trying to make:
Apparently sometime after WWII, the Japanese government for the first time allowed archaeologists to explore some royal burial mounds in Japan that are highly sacred to Shinto (indigenous Japanese animist religion), and date from before the farthest reaches of documented Japanese history. The archaeologists found mummies in Korean clothing from that time period, as well as other artifacts that were clearly Korean in origin. The archaeologists were mortified, and someone up the chain of command decided right then and there that the excavation would be called off, and the findings never published, because of the ramifications this would have for the myths the Japanese people like to believe about themselves and their origins. (If this story is true, then obviously SOMEONE involved leaked this information, which is believable.)
But the thing is, even if this study were published and widely reported in the Japanese press, I don't think it would precipitate a widespread crisis of faith among Japanese nationalists. After all, they got over the Emperor's radio announcement that he wasn't divine in 1945, and today, belief in the Japanese nation as blessed and special is as strong as ever. It just has a new basis nowadays, namely, the strong economic performance, high levels of social discipline, and uniformly high living standards the Japanese have shown they are capable of maintaining.
So would it be, I think, for the stone you propose, OP. If a codex were found that indicted one or more of the great monotheistic faiths, the faithful would not abandon their faiths en masse -- they would simply reframe the basis of their worldview, emphasizing those aspects of it that were spared indictment by the codex's contents, and de-emphasizing those that clearly were indicted. You'd see SOME increased outflow, for sure. But the religions would more change than die.
The point is, I really think most people have a need to believe in some form of higher power. Seeing life as without inherent meaning and externally-dictated direction -- a random accident of an uncaring universe -- is simply unacceptable to most people. There will always be a strong minority of people who don't have this need at all, and can dispassionately embrace a view that the apparent material world is ALL THERE IS. These people have always been there, and I say have always made up a sizable minority, it's just that only recently have the political situations conducive to their promulgating their worldview have emerged. But these people need to realize that there will always be people, at least a sizable minority if not a majority, who could never be persuaded into seeing things their way, and IMHO, shouldn't be expected to.
Psyduck, I've retitled your thread for clarity's sake. Hope you don't mind.
Apparently sometime after WWII, the Japanese government for the first time allowed archaeologists to explore some royal burial mounds in Japan that are highly sacred to Shinto (indigenous Japanese animist religion), and date from before the farthest reaches of documented Japanese history. The archaeologists found mummies in Korean clothing from that time period, as well as other artifacts that were clearly Korean in origin. The archaeologists were mortified, and someone up the chain of command decided right then and there that the excavation would be called off, and the findings never published, because of the ramifications this would have for the myths the Japanese people like to believe about themselves and their origins. (If this story is true, then obviously SOMEONE involved leaked this information, which is believable.)
But the thing is, even if this study were published and widely reported in the Japanese press, I don't think it would precipitate a widespread crisis of faith among Japanese nationalists. After all, they got over the Emperor's radio announcement that he wasn't divine in 1945, and today, belief in the Japanese nation as blessed and special is as strong as ever. It just has a new basis nowadays, namely, the strong economic performance, high levels of social discipline, and uniformly high living standards the Japanese have shown they are capable of maintaining.
So would it be, I think, for the stone you propose, OP. If a codex were found that indicted one or more of the great monotheistic faiths, the faithful would not abandon their faiths en masse -- they would simply reframe the basis of their worldview, emphasizing those aspects of it that were spared indictment by the codex's contents, and de-emphasizing those that clearly were indicted. You'd see SOME increased outflow, for sure. But the religions would more change than die.
The point is, I really think most people have a need to believe in some form of higher power. Seeing life as without inherent meaning and externally-dictated direction -- a random accident of an uncaring universe -- is simply unacceptable to most people. There will always be a strong minority of people who don't have this need at all, and can dispassionately embrace a view that the apparent material world is ALL THERE IS. These people have always been there, and I say have always made up a sizable minority, it's just that only recently have the political situations conducive to their promulgating their worldview have emerged. But these people need to realize that there will always be people, at least a sizable minority if not a majority, who could never be persuaded into seeing things their way, and IMHO, shouldn't be expected to.
Psyduck, I've retitled your thread for clarity's sake. Hope you don't mind.
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capstone
Bluelighter
^You're right on Japan's origins, of course they first came from the mainland. But, war fever usually does bury history, when the common people couldn't give a hooker's shit about it, but the government is always afraid of losing their power. Thus, history dies, and tyranny breeds.
That-Strange-Guy
Bluelighter
Both, I know that may be hard to grasp but this will help explain.
http://fastspiritualawakening.com/PsychicDevelopment.pdf
http://fastspiritualawakening.com/PsychicDevelopment.pdf
capstone
Bluelighter
God Is The Idea.
/navarone/
Bluelighter
God is energy, god is strenght, god is justice, god is virtue, god is wisdom, god is love
God is the incarnated bodyless entity of all of the above.
And we stand below helplessly fascinated, like looking seagulls dancing in the twilight.
God is the incarnated bodyless entity of all of the above.
And we stand below helplessly fascinated, like looking seagulls dancing in the twilight.
ninjadanslarbretabar
Bluelighter
how about both
edit piaf: well now post impulsive, im happy to see so much both in this thread
we are the world, we are the children
; ) jk
edit piaf: well now post impulsive, im happy to see so much both in this thread
we are the world, we are the children
; ) jk
GoddessLSD-XTC
Bluelighter
God is a feeling or experience, like love . . . there are those who believe in God (that a miracle might save us from the "evil One") and those who know or experienced god; I am both.
B9
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If I was paid to do the job - no problem - otherwise why bother?
Sykoknot
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God has to many various definitions for it to be so loosely defined.
My god, is existence itself, therefore making it a being in which we see/hear/communicate with every moment of our lives. But this communication is blocked in a large percentage of humans by the ego, and by society. To the people whom are sufferers of the ego, god is merely an idea, a thing you can choose to believe in.
So, in my opinion, God is a being. To many others, its just an idea.
My god, is existence itself, therefore making it a being in which we see/hear/communicate with every moment of our lives. But this communication is blocked in a large percentage of humans by the ego, and by society. To the people whom are sufferers of the ego, god is merely an idea, a thing you can choose to believe in.
So, in my opinion, God is a being. To many others, its just an idea.
SimplyOwnage
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I am god, of course I'd proof myself wrong.
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If I was convinced of the proof I'd surely dig it up, but than I have written several dictionary editors and publishers about my conviction that the definition for lunar month needs to include both the definitions for synodic lunar month and sideral lunar month. If I have a have an opportunity to make things clearer or more simple I'll usually embrace the situation. If there is no god it is absolutely the best thing to have any proof out in the open. The God thing is not simple and there being no artifact I can let it lay where it is.