[MEGA] God v.2

[lostNfound]

^Makes perfect sense

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

^well i, personally, need more than just my own experiences. i get the "more" i need when i talk to others and find how common these things can be. It may not make complete sense in ways, but it makes far more sense than to discount it entirely.

What I mean is, I include the experiences of others in the realm of "my experience."

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

Pretty limiting to stay with your own experiences, and if others' experiences are different they are also accountable from a different view and when sharing them one learns and expands on the knowledge they aquired from their own experience of the same aspect. Tried and true and expanding awareness on the issue on hand!

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

^hey, we posted on at the same second, you beat me by a millisecond!

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

lol, yeah I use very broad language because thats the way I see thing. I consider any bit of information that comes my way a part of my experience in life.

 

[L2R]

^fair enough. Just be careful as to how you are being heard/understood.

 

[straycatphizzle]

I believe in entities of all sorts.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

I have decided to stop posting here anyway. I explain myself over and over as clearly as I possibly know how.. and it still gets nowhere and people don't understand any more than they ever did. It seems like the people who get it already get it and the people who aren't open to it wont be open to it until they are ready. It makes me question what the point of attempting to communicate to people is at all. It's incredibly draining.

So yeah, it's been fun but I wont be back around here much anymore...

 

[yougene]

^I'm surprised this thread has lasted as long as it did.

I think P&S can turn into a toxic environment quickly. It's where all the culture wars happen and people feel like they are trying to reach some sort of goal out of the discussion.
I like those sorts of discussions from time to time. People are quick to point out my blind spots and biases and I appreciate that from them. Even if they are "fighting" me. But I usually bow out if I feel like they are going to be draining.

Discussion in here doesn't have to be making a point. It's worthwhile to just share and listen. A more feminine orientation. Most threads in here turn into making points and competition

 

[L2R]

^wanna fight about it?


yeah i agree. i can't count how many times i was put off by P&S (or formerly T&A) enough to avoid the place for a while. Hatemongerers and people who talk with their eyes closed really grate my nerve.

 

[ILOVETORELAX]

i am a belliver of god, i go to the salvation army, but that dont make me a good guy.

 

[opy]

Enlitx
"Synthesize gold easily? No. I am not aware of any nuclear reactions that wind up with gold. If there are, it would be such a tiny amount that it would not resemble anything close to alchemy."
do you even read what you are writing?

 

[Psychonautical]

Yes, i believe in a deity
but i believe we are all part of that deity.

The "evil" is the material world you see before you.
We are all born into this material world out of the psychedelic "silk"
we are cut from.

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

theres no need to be a doosch bag guys.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

^I'm surprised this thread has lasted as long as it did.

I think P&S can turn into a toxic environment quickly. It's where all the culture wars happen and people feel like they are trying to reach some sort of goal out of the discussion.
I like those sorts of discussions from time to time. People are quick to point out my blind spots and biases and I appreciate that from them. Even if they are "fighting" me. But I usually bow out if I feel like they are going to be draining.

Discussion in here doesn't have to be making a point. It's worthwhile to just share and listen. A more feminine orientation. Most threads in here turn into making points and competition

I relate completely, yougene. I don't come here to get adversarial, I mostly come to get different perspectives on things.

 

[yougene]

^wanna fight about it?

Bring it!

 

[Enlitx]

I said "looked at thoroughly".

Again, how do you know they have been looked at thoroughly? New scientific discoveries are being made every day. I would counter that these paranormal claims have been looked at extensively, and have been found wanting every time.

Why are you getting so hot and bothered over something you are merely guessing about? Witnessed phenomena trump each and every of your wild guesses. Wild absurd guesses which is what your entire argument is made up of. You assume you know of our experiences and you've demonstrated your complete ignorance on the topic throughout this thread.

Hot and bothered? No, I don't really see how you got that from my statement that there is no mechanistic explanation for telekinesis. I am not making wild and absurd guesses when I state that anecdotal evidence is the worst kind of evidence, and that when it comes to the claims in this thread there are much more likely explanations than the ones you guys are throwing around.

I was there. It happened before my waking eyes.

That was the whole point of my statement. People say all kinds of demonstrably false stuff happened right before there eyes. The brain often plays tricks on you.

Hardly. It's just greek to you since you have no idea what you are talking about.

Just because I believe there are better explanations than mystical ones doesen't mean I don't know what I am talking about. I don't have to be schizophrenic to understand that schizophrenia is a disorder and not a connection to a higher plain of existence. Again, how could you possibly say what might affect something if you don't have a mechanism to explain how it works. You still haven't answered the question.

nice. how old are you?

My age has nothing to do with it. Statistics have shown that as education increases, belief in paranormal or supernatural explanations decreases. As society advanced in science, there was less supernatual explanation for natural events and more scientific ones. For example, rainbows being a product of light interactions instead of being placed there by god.

This is the same discussion.

Well, I did not respond to the posts previous to the point of me saying I would drop it. I am simply responding to posts that are directed towards me.

Quite the contrary, all of your dismissals are outlandish since you have not even pursued any investigative process prior to leaping to your conclusions.

No, I have, I just don't come up with the same conclusion as you.

No one here is trying to prove anything to you. How dumb do you have to be to still be to think this?

People have said over and over again that their experiences are real (in the objective sense), I am just challenging that assertion.

Of course they might not have seen anything. They also might have.

I am asking for good reasons why they might have actually seen some of the things they claimed, not just the assertion that they did.

 

[Enlitx]

That's the difference with people like us. We trust ourselves enough to not need to prove anything to ourselves or others. Our experiences are the proof. A personal story might not be good evidence for someone who's never had such an experience, but that's their problem. It's all I need.

People who trust their personal experiences are the reason we have so many competing religions and claims of absolute knowledge, many of which are mutually exclusive. That is why there needs to be a better way to determine truth other than anecdotal evidence.

 

[Jamshyd]

^I'm surprised this thread has lasted as long as it did.

I think P&S can turn into a toxic environment quickly. It's where all the culture wars happen and people feel like they are trying to reach some sort of goal out of the discussion.
I like those sorts of discussions from time to time. People are quick to point out my blind spots and biases and I appreciate that from them. Even if they are "fighting" me. But I usually bow out if I feel like they are going to be draining.

Discussion in here doesn't have to be making a point. It's worthwhile to just share and listen. A more feminine orientation. Most threads in here turn into making points and competition

I personally have no interest in debating anything unless mutual-understanding is the goal. If the goal is to prove that one side is right and the other is wrong, I step away.

Hence my not even clicking on this thread until this moment .

I have no interest in discussing the word 'god' with people I don't know enough to trust that their intentions are love-driven.

Now, you do have a point about discussions of this nature turning toxic, and this shall be noted (administratively, that is).

 

[Enlitx]

I am not one to sit here and complain about how I am being treated, I can take it. Anyways, I believe that ideas should be open to attack to further sound theories as opposed to bad ones.

I do have a problem with being warned by a mod when calling the belief in peter pan idiotic when I am being called moronic, dumb, etc... by many posters, including moderators of other forums. I think there needs to be a level playing field here.