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[MEGA]Community Growing advice, tips, tricks, & experiences Part 4

Ill try to get some pictures in tonight or tomorrow, lol, of some webby weed.
I'll think about what to do with it in the mean time.
I have a huge bottle of 90% iso, and a can or two of butane , but I've never made butane to make hash (though I have watched it be made, friend of mine used like a metal piping to a fence and screwed on two ends then drilled a hole in the top and the bottom and put the butane in and I forgot how he collected the hash, if it dripped down or if he just scraped it out)
Though I dont have the tools to do any of that.
And yeah, I guess people do eat bugs , lol...I would just hope theres no fungi or bacteria that would be in there, I would think cooking it would destroy anything that was harmful , but dunno if I'd wanna chance myself on it. (Though I guess I already have in a sense, the person that made that hash also made butter out of all the shake, leaves and bud rot from a few pounds of plant that was infested with bugs.... He had also grown and done stuff similar to that for 20 years)

I think Im going to just spray the plants outside down really good before they start to bud to kill any of the bugs, and bring them in the grow room, I currently have no plants in my grow room, and if they end up getting infected really bad again, Ill just toss em out, clean out my closet, change the filter, and start with my femmed Northern lights seeds.? Does that sound bad, or okay?
 
My worry would be that you'd introduce spider mites to your growroom and they'd then be a mare to get rid of.
 
Damien said:
I'd just make butter with it. You probably won't get any webs after you strain everything. Even if you didn't though I doubt eating webs or mites will be harmful especially after being baked or cooked. People eat chocolate covered bugs you know? I mean, they pay for them. Don't worry about it man, just a little extra protein (that's if they make it through the straining).
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lol yer on avrage we eat like 7 bugs a year in chocolate or somthin like that :p
 
To grow or not to grow.. A few questions :)

Sooo basically i'm thinking about growing a few plants as the ever increasing price is getting too much..

I've done a small amount of research but haven't been able to answer all of my own questions.. I'm sure the answers are there.. I'm just too thick to see them :/ But hopefully some of you experts could help..

I intend on growing 5 plants.. i think they are big bud.. if that matters.. but was wondering what kind of light (and what strength) i would NEED for a decent grow.. Would flourecent bulbs produce a high quality product or would i need to use HPS? Or am i wrong completely?

Maybe this could become the newbies first steps into cultivation thread? Sorry if there is one but i couldn't search due to a problem with my signing in name / password.

Also.. What are the main things a beginner should look out for / be careful of / definitely (not) do? (Mistakes that you guys may have personally made in the past, perhaps?)
 
You'll see people get by with fluorescents in the veg period quite well and yes they can be used to flower, but I would find it rather frustrating to use such a pissant little light for a plant that needs more ooomph in flower. If I were you and you were looking for a bit of percy, get a 250W HPS minimum and use that from start to finish. Don't bother with metal halides, they're not necessary and won't make your plants leggy like you read everywhere. You'll also need a magnetic ballast (choose over a digital one because they're cheaper, more reliable and don't give off EM interference), a segmental timer as well as a relay (contactor) to use with that since you can't plug the ballast into it without fusing the contacts and possibly starting a fire.

I would keep things simple and not try and overcomplicate things. Try and listen to people that know what they're talking about and don't decide you know better only to find out three or four months down the line you were wrong. Stick with compost, use organic fertilizers and don't bother pH testing or using grow fertilizers for the growth period if using a compost with nutrients in it. Go easy on amounts (less is more) and take things a step at a time. It's a bit hard to give you general advice without specific questions though, I have to say, so if you get stuck with something in particular that you need clearing up it would be better to ask about that rather than for general advice IMO.

My opinion about Big Bud is that as the name suggests, it yields well and is good for commercial growers, but most who grow it would agree, it lacks taste, flavour and a good high. I'd recommend a better strain like skunk or headband (fuckin awesome strain that is - I just bought a pack myself a couple of days ago).
 
I have twins....do i need to get rid of one?...

Hi there...I planted one seed and have two plants out if it!I definately only planted one seed so please dont worry about saying" mayb you accidently dropped another in without noticing"...Didnt happen...I planted one seed and now have two plants..One is smaller than the other...Its only three days today outta the ground so you can actually see it comming out the seed...Has anyone had this before...I guess i should kill the smaller one eh?...Cheers.....
 
Well, I ended up trimming that bud that had all the webs on it , but when I pulled it out to trim (after it had lost most of its water weights), I couldn't see any webbing, all I saw were bits of dog hair (I have two dogs, and they were outdoor plants), which I picked out most of what I saw, I basically just pulled the fan leaves off of the buds to see if I could see anything, still can't see anything, really odd to me...considering theses plants did have quite a bad mite infection.

I ended up just making a pound of cannabutter , came out pretty nice, still haven't used it in cooking though.
I still have quite a bit of weed left, (Didn't want to put more than an oz in that lb of butter).
Im wondering if it would even be safe to vape/water bong , or if I should just cook the rest as well.
(It's really weird , this bud looked hideous before I dried it, after letting it dry, it looks fine , which is why Im pretty skeptical of smoking it)

I still have those two True OG plants out back, they seem to be doing alright, figured I wouldn't bring them in due to the risk of infecting my grow room (even though it is empty), I would rather my Femmed seeds have the best condition I can give them indoors, and bringing spider mites wouldn't help...
Kind of curious too, since Ive had spider mites in the past (my last grow indoors was about 6-8 weeks ago), I haven't done much since then other than clean out my grow room. Im wondering how long spider mites eggs or how long the spider mites them selves could live in that closet with out any vegetation to feed on. Would they just die off after a few weeks, or would there eggs forever be there waiting for the proper conditions to hatch.

I finally ordered a cord for my camera to connect to my computer, so I wont have to wait forever to get my pics up online.
Ill take some pics of the butter, bud, and the true OG still growing outback.

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I want a pair of twins...Ive never had that happen...lol
And headband is very good, if you have the right person growing it, guess most strains work that way though really.
 
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I just harvested my little closet grow....a sativa dominate strain. Very nice...I am looking for some different genetics though.. always looking...
 
After inspecting closely today, I have concluded my little baby is unfortunately a male :( :(
Is there anything I can do with it? Or should I just throw it away??

I dont have any other plants or seeds FWIW
 
Prelude2TragedyII said:
Well, I ended up trimming that bud that had all the webs on it , but when I pulled it out to trim (after it had lost most of its water weights), I couldn't see any webbing, all I saw were bits of dog hair (I have two dogs, and they were outdoor plants), which I picked out most of what I saw, I basically just pulled the fan leaves off of the buds to see if I could see anything, still can't see anything, really odd to me...considering theses plants did have quite a bad mite infection.

I ended up just making a pound of cannabutter , came out pretty nice, still haven't used it in cooking though.
I still have quite a bit of weed left, (Didn't want to put more than an oz in that lb of butter).
Im wondering if it would even be safe to vape/water bong , or if I should just cook the rest as well.
(It's really weird , this bud looked hideous before I dried it, after letting it dry, it looks fine , which is why Im pretty skeptical of smoking it)

I still have those two True OG plants out back, they seem to be doing alright, figured I wouldn't bring them in due to the risk of infecting my grow room (even though it is empty), I would rather my Femmed seeds have the best condition I can give them indoors, and bringing spider mites wouldn't help...
Kind of curious too, since Ive had spider mites in the past (my last grow indoors was about 6-8 weeks ago), I haven't done much since then other than clean out my grow room. Im wondering how long spider mites eggs or how long the spider mites them selves could live in that closet with out any vegetation to feed on. Would they just die off after a few weeks, or would there eggs forever be there waiting for the proper conditions to hatch.

I finally ordered a cord for my camera to connect to my computer, so I wont have to wait forever to get my pics up online.
Ill take some pics of the butter, bud, and the true OG still growing outback.

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I want a pair of twins...Ive never had that happen...lol
And headband is very good, if you have the right person growing it, guess most strains work that way though really.
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You need to take care of the problem properly, otherwise the spider mites will keep coming back again and again and again and you could end up getting to the point where you consider giving up growing if you don't deal with it. What you should do IMO is get a smoke bomb. There are smoke bombs on the market that contain things like permethrin at 13.5%. The main brand here in the UK is Fortefog. Each one covers a volume of 7.5 cubic metres and should be let of before leaving the room to avoid inhaling the fumes. Fumigators sometimes use things like this, depending on the pest. As long as you vacate the area and follow the instructions it should be perfectly safe and extremely effective since it will kill any of the little mites between lifecycles, unlike spraying which can miss little nooks and crannies.

Remember that the eggs are deposited on the underside of the leaf and there are five developmental stages. From egg to adulthood takes about 14 days @21C and less than one week @30C. They are actually able to overwinter without needing to feed and come out in spring. Between crops indoors they are able to hibernate. To reduce the rate of egg production the relative humidity should be increased to above 60% but ideally you should use the bombs when there are no plants if you can.

Let me know if you find this advice useful and if there's anything else you want to know.

To treat live plants I would strongly recommend abamectin or one of the other '-mectin' type chemicals. Repeat sprays might be necessary. You can find these -mectin chemicals at pet stores which are used to treat mite infestations in birds or other pets. A brand here in the UK is Harkers Harkamectin, although I'm not sure of the brand names in the US - you'd have to ask around at pet stores and maybe online to find out. Be careful of grow store spidermite sprays since 90% of them are shit or just don't work.
 
I basically just pulled the fan leaves off of the buds to see if I could see anything, still can't see anything, really odd to me...considering theses plants did have quite a bad mite infection.
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From what I understand the mites leave the plant once it starts to die i.e. you harvest it. I've read that if you hang a branch that has been harvested, and check it later you'll see them gathering at the top, on the end of the stem.
 
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^ from experience I've known them to come back easily even with a break between crops. I can only guess that they remain dormant, although whether or not this would happen would depend on the temperature. I would take preventative measures anyhow though just to be safe since they can easily decimate a crop rapidly.
 
^ Oh sorry, my bad!

Prelude, also I just wanted to add, you can get smoke bombs that vaporize the stuff rather than use pyrotechnics, making it less messy, safer and possibly a bit more effective. They kill of not only mites but thrips and many other nasties. You'll even kill off a lot of the mites in your bed, which is a bonus. Whatever you do, don't take a look at what's in your bed with a microscope, lol.

In the post I just got this really cool piece of kit, an envirolight timer. People normally have to get contactor (relays) to switch their light on and off safely and also timers. This creates an unsightly mess as there are loads of cables laying around. I found a solution in this device, as it looks just like a normal segmental timer, but is in actual fact a contactor/relay as well as a timer all built into one. The great thing about it is that it was even cheaper than a lot of the segmental and definiteliy the digital timers themselves! So I give this a really positive review.

I also got a really good piece of kit too. At night during the lights off period since the lamp you use no longer is on and producing heat, you need to heat the area using a heat source such as an oil-filled radiator, a fan heater or a propane heater (aka liquid propane gas heater which is arguably superior since it produces CO2 when burned, meaning the grow area is enriched with CO2 and yields increase). The problem with these heaters is they piss away energy like there's no tomorrow and it can quickly start costing you an absolute fortune (I speak from experience). However, it has been shown that if you reduce the heater so that the temperature drops by just 1C, you save about 10% on your heating bill, or so I've been told. So, it pays to use an accurate thermostat so that you can control energy usage closely. I've been searching for a good plug in thermostat and found one recommended to me, the ET-05 plug in thermostat. This cost even less than the envirolight timer and seems to be working really well. It's accurate to one tenth of a degree centigrade, so is good enough for what I need it for. I've got it working right now, clicking on and off the heater to maintain a steady 18C! My only gripe with this device is that it doesn't have an external probe, meaning the thing actually needs to be inside the tent. However this is only a minor inconvenience if you can avoid risking splashing it with water IMO. I'm actually beginning to wonder if it would be possible to mod/hack the thing to add your own external probe? There must be a sensor in there that could be adapted.

Now I've just got to find a really good CO2 generator. Those are basically liquid propane gas heaters that have been tweaked to generate CO2. A product of combustion, as we all know, is heat and water, so the heat in the grow area will rise as well as the humidity. The humidity rise is desirable in the vegetative stage, but not in the last two weeks of the flowering period since it encourages mould. The heat is also a good thing in certain circumstances i.e. when it's cold in winter so that could be a bonus. I need to find a really cheap CO2 controller to control the heater which ideally should come with a solenoid. With this system for almost all of the time venting outside (or anywhere) will not be necessary. The only time I will need to vent is just periodically to remove hot air and start the cycle again from fresh.


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^ I don't think anyone will be able to give you an answer really. It's a bit hard to tell from that photo if I'm honest. Have you not got a better camera?
 
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