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^^^"Starting seeds in soil high in nutrients is a bad idea. If you think those white spots are bad, wait till you see what too many nutrients will do to them. They do look old enough now though to start feeding though, as muncheez suggested you can repot them now and feed them, but obviously you have a space issue to deal with, so make do with what you have."

I must dis-agree my friend. We aren't talking about loading up seedlings w/ a high dose of chem ferts. I am talking about ANY of the seedling potting soil or any potting soil w/ organic nutes..bat guano, earthworm castings, etc etc. I have great results starting seeds or clones in jiffy pods and once they start shooting roots, they get upsized into 6" squares w/ either Fox Farm Ocean Forest or Roots Organic...my clones and seedlings really take off using this stuff...can't argue with results! The stuff is 100% Organic....young seedlings and clones love this stuff...as a matter of fact..they love this stuff all the way through their short lives HAHA. Honestly, I would use the B'Cuzz coco, mixed w/ the potting soil I suggested, it's worked out terrific for me, but the B'Cuzz coco is $30 a bag, some may not have that in the budget, especially when buying a few bags. IMHO, cutting corners on the medium isn't a wise decision. I used to buy the cheap brick coco and now I know why I had the problems I had. Every since I switch my medium, used clean purified water (0 ppm's) before adding my nutes and kept on the lower side of the feeding doses...my plants have never looked healthier.

Yes, if you were to make up a batch of grow nutes, especially any chemical nitrogen fertilizers and happen to add to much, you could definately burn em, kill em or cause lock-out at an early stage. However, starting seedlings in peat moss only, with nothing to offer them food wise, may make it difficult to get vigorous healthy babies.
 
Nice shots MM.

I also agree that seeds shouldnt be started in a rich soil. I find seed raising mix's are perfect for started seedlings.
 
Thanks guys! Well, I guess I just didn't fully understand what you meant.. IMO Prelude should start his seedlings in potting soil containing organic nutes right from the start, they will be much healthier and have a better shot at staying healthy or any of the seedling potting soils. Stay away from the potting soil containing chemical fertilizers (ie miracle gro), they are much too strong...some strains may handle it fine, but others could be sensitive to it, better to err on the side of caution. However, plain peat moss isn't offering them anything of value and at that stage, I would rather them get their nutrients from soil made for seedlings, rather than trying to make up a batch of nutrients and making sure that you don't over do it...to much room for error.
Edit- However, looking at the size of those seedlings, maybe after another 5 or 6 days, I would make up a light batch of nutes..I use a 3 part grow, micro, bloom and other additives. I would hit them w/ the 3 part plus Humboldt Roots 1ml per gal (at that size)...ppm's would be between 200-300. I'd stay closer to 200 for their first nute feeding. Just my 2 cents...im sure others have ways that work terrific for them.
 
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I've got more than enough space in my HPS/MH room, its just the damn CFL/Flourecents Im having a problem finding a place for. But The plants seem to do fine under the MH anyways, just 4 hours and I saw a burst in growth, figure I might try more time.

I just used Peatmoss to start the seeds, which I do because I find it to be pretty nuetral.
As for my soil, when I repot these babies, they are going into fox farms ocean forest soil.
(So you guys think they are ready to get some real soil now? I was told when I use Fox Farms Ocean Forest, I don't need to nute for the first 3 weeks, then I can do what ever). It was only 12$ a bag for the fox farms as well (large bag)
I haven't found bcuzz coco anywhere, though I do have some cocoir , not sure if I should mix a bit of it with Fox Farms...Should I get vermiculite or perlite or does the foxfarms have this already?

I thought starting seeds in soil with nutrients burned em up, especially with seeds, not so much clones? am I wrong?


Anyone got anythoughts on the whole compacted soil thing? Top half/bottom half of the pots?
 
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Prelude, if the soil contains organic nutes like bat guano, earthworm castings, sea kelp..etc etc etc... you won't have to worry about burning your plants...those things take time to breakdown to the point that the plants roots can uptake those nutes. I've never seen any of my seedlings or clones have negative effects from using the FF Ocean Forest.
 
Im not sure, but I think ive read in the past people mixing in FF happy frog potting mix with the ocean forest because the OC is to hot to begin with? I would always mix in perlite to your final mix.

As you know im in Aus, but what confuses me is that you guys mix in all sorts of things to create a mix that grows cannabis effectivly? Over here we dont get the Fox Farm range, although we do have mixes which contain slow-release ferts.

This is what I always mention to folks over here who are looking for a basic but effective soil mix. Go for a potting mix which contains no fert's what so ever, then throw in a heap of organic grandular fertiliser pellets which are mostly rich in Nitrogen(over here the stuff I and other folks use is called Dynamic Lifter), then add perlite. This mix has ALWAYS worked for me with no problems at all. It's always (IMO) best to start with a mix that isnt strong, and if that's the case your plants will show it then all you need to do is increase your hand feeding times/strength untill your plants start to green up again.

Anyway, to answer your Q's prelude. I would wait untill transplanting untill those cups are full of roots and can hold the ball of soil well. Check the drainage holes for root's. I usually wait a week after seeing roots poke through the bottom untill repotting them just to make sure all the soil is compact and together so no roots get damaged in the process. Starving the plants of water is a great way to achieve this aswell.

It all depends on how rich the soil is to begin with. The rule of thumb is to not feed sprouts anything for the first month, or untill they reach there 3rd/4th node. When I start seed's I always start them in a seed raising mix which has micro nutes in it which are beneficial to the spouts early on as they arnt strong. Clones do handle better then sprouts when it comes to nute burn because there more mature. Although I still recommend not feeding clones for about 2 weeks after they take root.

Listening to how each of us grow and what soil's/mixes we use can be a bit confusing. Just go with one method and hopefully it suits your needs. It's all about finding what works then sticking to it, there's no official way to grow. And generally more is less when choosing your soil's/nutes IMO.
 
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Agreed, I definately add perlite to my final mix, even though the Roots Organic has some in it, once I mix in the B'Cuzz Coco, it does need some extra. I just can't seem to argue with results, whatever works for somone, stick with it. For me, I've never had a problem putting the seedlings or clones in the FF Ocean Forest or Roots Organic, there is stuff in it, but it's organic and will not shock the seedlings...trust me. Wise...I have heard of the Happy Frog stuff, but I have no experience with it. Maybe I'll look into it, when I stock up on my medium next time. The good potting soil costs a good deal of money per bag $25-$30, but there are other cheaper seedling potting soil mixes that work fine, better than plain peat moss.

I don't even start seeds in a potting mix, they get started in those Jiffy pods (after germinating in a wet paper towel)...you guys ever see them?...They are small compressed coco coir or peat disks that once soaked in water, they puff up a few inches..they are perfect for clones or seedlings. Once they are nice and wet (BUT NOT DRIPPING WET), they will not need water for a while, you cut your clone (45 degree angle, put little slits in the sides of the stem and dip into your preferred cloning gel, then stick it in the jiffy pod, repeat process until you have desired number of clones. For seedlings, after germination, you just stick it in the jiffy pod 1/4 in deep and cover over the hole w/ more coir. You will start to see the roots shoot out of the sides and bottom of the jiffy pod in 7-10 days...at that time, they are ready to be upsized into a 6" square nursery pot with a good organic based potting soil. I don't add any salt based fertilizer to their water until they have 3 or 4 nodes and appear pretty healthy, then they can handle those types of ferts, they need to establish a healthy root system and the medium acts like a buffer, but the clones can take it sooner like WISE stated...even then, I keep it on the light side....PPM's about 200 for the first feeding and slowly climb from there.
 
I posted the ingredients in the Roots Organic in this thread, either page 30 or 31..I will list it again and get your guyz opinions...I am partial to this stuff now over the FoxFarm and I really like the FF.

Here is a list of what is in the Roots Organic...exactly as it appears on the bag..in exact order

Coco Fiber, Peat Moss, Perlite, Pumice, Compost, Mulch, Worm Castings, Bat Guano, Kelp Meal, Fish Bone Meal, Soybean Meal, Prilled Rock Phosphate, Feather meal, Greensand, Leonardite, Alfalfa Meal, Oyster Shell Flour & Glacial Rock Dust.

The pics I have been posting of my cycle, each one of them was either started in the FF Ocean Forest or the B'Cuzz Coco/Roots Organic mixture with extra perlite added. Not a single burnt leaf or leaf tip...IDK, works for me!

Prelude, just find what your happy with and more importantly what your plants are happy with and stick to it...and tweak things along the way as you see fit. YOU are their only caretaker and just have to learn what they need and always give them what they need, WHEN THEY NEED IT, NOT when it's convenient for you! I just learned this lesson myself. I left my new clones in the tray too long..roots shooting out of the jiffy pods, but I have been so busy and also fighting a nasty cold the last few days, that I left them alone longer than I should have without upsizing them and a decent amount died on me. Luckily I have some healthy hold backs from the last cycle I can still use and I am going to start more seeds, I've been slacking on that as well :-\ This stuff takes a bunch of time and energy I tell ya!! HAHA.
 
Well, Ive been putting the plants in the closet with the MH at 400 watts for about 4-6 hours, they seem to do fine in there, and I do see lots of growth compared to the 1 plant I left under the T5s, and CFLs.

I repotted them today into FF Ocean Forest, I think Im just going to put them under MH fulltime unless I see negative side effects, plants roots had grown around enough to hold the soil together while I switched their pots.
Anywho , they are looking pretty good, one seed never germed :( guessing I had it too long anyways.

Think they should be under MH full time now? lol
 
Well, I started noticing the very edges (where the leaf is rigid) was starting to brown, I figured it had to be a deficincy since they were in peatmoss and had no food anyways.

Well, Upsized and watered quite a bit today, have them sitting under the MH now, today will be their first 18/6 under MH, lets hope they take the nutes, like the new light and start growing a bit faster :/

Ill try and take a pic
 
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Don't have time to read back but you didn't have plants in pure peat moss did you? And if you did did you add something to raise the ph as peat moss has a ph of 4.

Just make the move to coco coir and you'll never look back, your plants will love you for it.
 
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I posted the ingredients in the Roots Organic in this thread, either page 30 or 31..I will list it again and get your guyz opinions...I am partial to this stuff now over the FoxFarm and I really like the FF.

Here is a list of what is in the Roots Organic...exactly as it appears on the bag..in exact order

Coco Fiber, Peat Moss, Perlite, Pumice, Compost, Mulch, Worm Castings, Bat Guano, Kelp Meal, Fish Bone Meal, Soybean Meal, Prilled Rock Phosphate, Feather meal, Greensand, Leonardite, Alfalfa Meal, Oyster Shell Flour & Glacial Rock Dust.

The pics I have been posting of my cycle, each one of them was either started in the FF Ocean Forest or the B'Cuzz Coco/Roots Organic mixture with extra perlite added. Not a single burnt leaf or leaf tip...IDK, works for me!

Prelude, just find what your happy with and more importantly what your plants are happy with and stick to it...and tweak things along the way as you see fit. YOU are their only caretaker and just have to learn what they need and always give them what they need, WHEN THEY NEED IT, NOT when it's convenient for you! I just learned this lesson myself. I left my new clones in the tray too long..roots shooting out of the jiffy pods, but I have been so busy and also fighting a nasty cold the last few days, that I left them alone longer than I should have without upsizing them and a decent amount died on me. Luckily I have some healthy hold backs from the last cycle I can still use and I am going to start more seeds, I've been slacking on that as well :-\ This stuff takes a bunch of time and energy I tell ya!! HAHA.
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If I remember correctly Subcool the breeder for TGA uses this organic mix for his grows, and highly recommended it.
 
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I’m working on this strain for the last 2 years. It’s promising and very potent. It’s stable enough already so I decided to grow some and indulge.

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Here’s one simple trick for people who grows their own – whichever strain is your favorite, treating girls this way will produce buds significantly more potent then usual. Also, composition of buds will change meaning that high will be different = more awesomness. I’m sure you’ll love it.

Three days before flushing pick one nice girl and treat her as follows:

- With sharp knife make 1-1,5 inch incision between soil and first fan leafs.
- Place very small pebble or small piece of wood inside the incision.
- Place bandage over it.

Flush, starve and harvest as usual.

Start with just one plant and see for yourself.
 
Well, Upsized the pots two days ago, put the plants under MH, and Im not sure as to why, but some of the plants VERY tips are burning.
The new growth seems healthy, bright green.

Really odd things happening though , as temps have dropped, I dont know if that may have caused whats going on, but,
One of my healthiest seedlings, seems to be growing quick, but it's leaves are kind of , curling downward, along the edges.
On Another Plant, its curling up, along the edges, Im kind of confused, I've been watering with 6.7 ph and haven't added any nutes what so ever (.001 ppm is what my water reads out as)
 
why would giving your plant a stone or wood implant make it do anything significantly different in a period of 3 days?
 
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