At the risk of throwing this thread off topic *again* I just have to say a few things in regards to chemist2010's posts....
I am a bit confused as to what you are going for here, as you seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, have an axe to grind, and have made some conflicting, confused, and downright pedantic statements in regard to your view on MDPV's safety and a few off topic subjects. I'd like some explanations, if you don't mind.
Do you even know the side effects of pyrovalerone? it's a nasty drug class that should be avoided except for extreme cases. Yes I know it is manufactured and administered in special cases but so is virtually any drug out there.
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I am gonna echo dread here, and ask for some more info. I am sure you are aware of pyrovalerones accepted use, and I am at a loss as to the "nasty drug class that should be avoided except for extreme cases". Please share what you know....pyrovalerone has a long history of use, and several other members of the class have been tested in various trials....
I don't think anyone here is saying that MDPV is harmless. But all the current info suggests that it is no more harmful than other substances acting along similar lines. Methamphetamine is a proven neurotoxin, yet its therapeutic value outweighs its potential negatives and it is still an often used medicine in the U.S. pharmacopia. Yes, it, much like MDPV, can lead to some pretty destructive and compulsive use, especially when the supply is unregulated, but I don't believe this classifies it, or MDPV, as an "evil drug" as you stated. Just one that is easy to abuse.
And this guy was a moderator on the advanced drug discussion board? I'm not sure a person with that many problems is a person I would want to take advice from on using substances, especially MDPV "responsibly" from. In fact any drug he used "responsibly" I'd be wary of.
Besides being woefully inconsiderate, here you are really starting to lose me. Because this member feels comfortable enough to share details of his
personal life on a public message board, these admittedly rough incidents disqualify his expertise? Did you know this member has a Masters in Science, has decades of experience, and did his post grad work on the SAR of anorectics? These are all qualifiers as far as I am concerned as to someones opinion that I
would trust as to the safety of MDPV. I am a convicted felon, and recently served a several year prison sentence for chemistry involving (gasp) drugs. Does this destroy my credibility in your eyes? A lot of our very knowledgeable members here have substance abuse and addiction problems...does this negate their expertise? Man, if you intend to continue to pursue a life in academia, you really are going to separate the quality of the work and knowledge base from the personal life of your instructors and peers. It just doesn't work that way. You seem young and a bit naive, so some of this is understandable but really....have some decency as well.
Think about all the scientific studies that were "fact" 50 years ago. They aren't fact anymore. "Facts" are ever-changing.
It's sad but science has become almost as corrupt and subjective as every other aspect of human existence.
A bit confused here as well.....you go on some long winded ambiguous rant later singing the praises of science, but show some distinct contradictions as to the basis of the scientific method. Scientific findings , even the most imposing ones, customarily stumble into the world fraught with blunders that have to be worked out before they really begin to fly. They lack the satisfying, thunderclap certitude of religious and pseudoscientific dicta that admit to no error. But they are alive, and the withering of one branch of a theory does not mean the theory as a whole is doomed. This very subject came up in the "fluoride in SSRIs" thread recently, and it amazes me that people don't get that science doesn't have the luxury of fact...it is a collections of hypotheses and a few theorems, and its ever ability to be open to new information is what makes it science.
And finally, in regards to your study and its "rejection" in terms of the current global climate model. This is something else you are gonna have to get used to if you continue to pursue a career in academia and shed the training wheels of being an undergraduate and start doing graduate work.
Very often new hypotheses don't mesh with larger arcing models.....this also is what science is all about. Get used to it. I am amazed at the myopic and self centered approach you are taking here. It also doesn't jive with the scientific method.....I am not aware of the details of your study, but theories, models, and hypotheses are complex things, ever shifting, and just because you poured a bunch of energy into a study doesn't validate it more than the next guys work. I am sure you will learn this as time goes on.....
Bluelight is a pretty friendly and welcoming place, but once again I am not sure what you are going for with your posts. Coming off patronizing, condescending, and rubbing the scabs off a cherished members recent difficulties are a sure way to cause some conflict.
Sorry to go off topic.......
