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MDPV Megathread 6: neko's cum guzzling cock juggling extravaganza!!
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That isn't what it means... what it means is that you *already* have pure d-MDPV, because the R-factor is inactive.
In other words, all you'd get with pure d-MDPV would be more potent MDPV that acted exactly the same way.
I take this to be an important indication of MDPV's safety, BTW... as though pyrovalerone being a Schedule 5 stim that has been prescribed medically for weight loss weren't indication enough that it's pretty safe stuff, chemically speaking.
The chances of the "methylenedioxy" adding medically significant/dangerous components to pyrovalerone seem slim to none, from here.
In other words, all you'd get with pure d-MDPV would be more potent MDPV that acted exactly the same way.
I take this to be an important indication of MDPV's safety, BTW... as though pyrovalerone being a Schedule 5 stim that has been prescribed medically for weight loss weren't indication enough that it's pretty safe stuff, chemically speaking.
The chances of the "methylenedioxy" adding medically significant/dangerous components to pyrovalerone seem slim to none, from here.
True... what I'm saying (err, or Wikipedia is saying) is that the R-factor of MDPV is bio-chemically inactive. So it can be there, or not be there... what's the difference, aside from it basically being an inactive 'cut'? .
See what I'm driving at? That's why MDPV has so little adrenergic body load, methinks. Only d-MDPV has biological activity. So it can be racemic or not, it makes no difference to its biological effects... it would only make a difference to its potency.
See what I'm driving at? That's why MDPV has so little adrenergic body load, methinks. Only d-MDPV has biological activity. So it can be racemic or not, it makes no difference to its biological effects... it would only make a difference to its potency.
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You're right, but if what everyone is getting is the racemate mix, then wouldn't pure d-MDPV be 2x as potent per weight?
I would guess so, at the expense of separating the enantiomers... I'd guess the resulting "Super MDPV" (d-MDPV) would be quite a bit more than twice as expensive.
Might be attractive as a gourmet item for vapers/slammers... that is, if we were dealing with something interesting/unique like that instead of homicidal bath-salt-tooting yahoos and state/federal bans.
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Anything peeps smoke strange shit in has a way of moving around. Look a bit closer and you'll see it's also happening to your cell phone, TV remote, tobacco (if applicable), socks/shoes, glass of water/tea/cola, etc
.Man, that shit used to happen to me all the time when I was binged. I would mistakenly think, every time I came back to my desk, that my bag was in a different place than I had left it. I would then decide the shadow elite obviously took it and emptied some and then was in a hurry to put it back, hence the imperfect placement.
It all makes sense!
Notes on MDPV use/abuse and ROA's
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Smoking MDPV is weird shit, lemme tell ya... there have been times have it where I've had a lot around, ran out of lighter fluid and started hitting off the kitchen stove burner in large amounts. Followed by wandering the house in a state of delerium for a couple hours, not knowing where or who I was. If that doesn't sound like fun, I agree... don't get started with smoking it. For all intents and purposes, it is crack.
Not that large amounts via other ROA's (such as snorting) is any better. You can just as easily dip into dopamine psychosis through too-frequent intranasal dosing. And you may not know any better if you start hallucinating your hands swelling up, or your face turning grey/purple, or see your feet go all red white and blue like the American flag... you'll think you're dying of MDPV-related causes.
That's one thing medics are damn good for, BTW... they can tell you if your body is disintegrating before your eyes, or if you're only hallucinating it. Chances are all that's real are the cracked black scab on your lip, the trash / clothing / debris scattered around the house, and your growing notoriety amongst local area paramedics. You can also easily lose a lot of weight and lapse into a chronic, intractable state of sleep deprivation. The comedown/crash can get so difficult that dying would be easier, and certainly far less torturous.
That said, it is an astonishingly "mental" drug. Luckily, most of what happens /can happen with MDPV is in your mind, thus can be re-thought and changed, provided you eat, sleep and move about the way you're supposed to. How far can one's body be pushed in terms of overstimulation, inactivity, malnutrition and sleep deprivation? F*ck if I know, but I'm sure there are limits.
Do something really stupid like hard alcohol (or opiates/benzos) very heavily and rail big lines of MDPV, and you're dead.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/256566/3/Woman-dies-after-bath-salts-overdose-in-Alton
If you're going to be irresponsible, do it responsibly. On Bluelight, they call that harm reduction.
My take on MDPV ROA's (routes of administration):
The major difference in the various ROA's, IME, is how quickly the effects come on (which equates to 'rush', and also to potential addictiveness).
The quickest ROA's are smoking and slamming/IV'ing, and that applies to most drugs. You can have a large amount hit you very suddenly, thus feeling a rush. It will also be more addictive via these ROA's, both in the short/binge and long terms.
Smoking is wasteful -- it burns a lot of drug that never gets into your system, even if you do it carefully. You'll go through your supply VERY fast when smoking it. It also subjects you to toxic byproducts, which are *not* a myth... you'll taste them from time to time and gag, I guarantee it. However, it's the quickest/most potent ("rush-iest") ROA, short of IV'ing... you can get large amounts of substance into your body very quickly. Watch it, as too many big hits too close together can send you into panic/anxiety, delerium or psychosis.
IV'ing (slamming) is both the most conservative (amount-wise) and the fastest-acting (rush/high-wise). A purist will insist on this method. However, it is the riskiest route of administration, as it's never safe to put anything directly into your bloodstream. The bloodstream was not designed to have anything introduced into it directly, and IV'ing is risky even under sterile medical conditions, with the substance administered by a physician. You can't take it back, either... once it's in, it's in.
Intranasal and rectal are also pretty quick -- in particular, intranasal (snorting) is probably the least wasteful way to use the drug, short of IV'ing.... your supply of MDPV will likely last the longest when you use it intranasally. Dissolving it in some water first and administering it via a vaporizer can be helpful in terms of exact dosing, as long as you don't dissolve large amounts (keep it to 50-100mg at a time max), since MDPV tends to break down fairly fast in solution. The drug will be absorbed rapidly through the nasal mucosa, and what isn't will be swallowed and absorbed in the stomach/intestines.
Rectal (plugging) is interesting, and can be a convenient one-off dosing method, provided you're comfortable with it. But it's really no better than intranasal, IME, and probably not as good. You don't need to bypass first-pass metabolism, particularly if you're using intranasally. It can also be potentially wasteful, depending on the condition of the inside of your rectum.
Oral administration (eating it) is often the worst ROA, despite its popularity. Not only does it take a long time to come on, but can be wasteful due to incomplete oral bioavailability. However, the resulting high can be the most stable and predictable, with the fewest ups and downs.
In short -- If "big rushes" are the most important, I'd go for smoking/vaping. If conserving product is the most important, I'd go for snorting/intranasal. If both are the most important, I'd go for IV'ing/slamming.
My take on rapidity of effects:
Most stim users seem to equate euphoria with a sudden rush (a large amount coming on rapidly), but that isn't the only type of euphoria to be had from stims. A gradual, sustained, high blood level can feel like a completely different drug. I recommend experimenting with dosing very small and very often, particularly if you like the sexual side of stimulants. IME, roller-coaster rushing is not as conducive to them as a steady, strong, intense high that one has fully adapted to and that presents no surprises. Then you can pull out the porn and enjoy.
Peace...
Particularly if you're not good at it/careless... when it catches fire, you'll inhale a lungful of transistor-radio-tasting smoke and go flying backwards at the same time
.Smoking MDPV is weird shit, lemme tell ya... there have been times have it where I've had a lot around, ran out of lighter fluid and started hitting off the kitchen stove burner in large amounts. Followed by wandering the house in a state of delerium for a couple hours, not knowing where or who I was. If that doesn't sound like fun, I agree... don't get started with smoking it. For all intents and purposes, it is crack.
Not that large amounts via other ROA's (such as snorting) is any better. You can just as easily dip into dopamine psychosis through too-frequent intranasal dosing. And you may not know any better if you start hallucinating your hands swelling up, or your face turning grey/purple, or see your feet go all red white and blue like the American flag... you'll think you're dying of MDPV-related causes.
That's one thing medics are damn good for, BTW... they can tell you if your body is disintegrating before your eyes, or if you're only hallucinating it. Chances are all that's real are the cracked black scab on your lip, the trash / clothing / debris scattered around the house, and your growing notoriety amongst local area paramedics. You can also easily lose a lot of weight and lapse into a chronic, intractable state of sleep deprivation. The comedown/crash can get so difficult that dying would be easier, and certainly far less torturous.
That said, it is an astonishingly "mental" drug. Luckily, most of what happens /can happen with MDPV is in your mind, thus can be re-thought and changed, provided you eat, sleep and move about the way you're supposed to. How far can one's body be pushed in terms of overstimulation, inactivity, malnutrition and sleep deprivation? F*ck if I know, but I'm sure there are limits.
Do something really stupid like hard alcohol (or opiates/benzos) very heavily and rail big lines of MDPV, and you're dead.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/256566/3/Woman-dies-after-bath-salts-overdose-in-Alton
If you're going to be irresponsible, do it responsibly
. On Bluelight, they call that harm reduction.My take on MDPV ROA's (routes of administration):
The major difference in the various ROA's, IME, is how quickly the effects come on (which equates to 'rush', and also to potential addictiveness).
The quickest ROA's are smoking and slamming/IV'ing, and that applies to most drugs. You can have a large amount hit you very suddenly, thus feeling a rush. It will also be more addictive via these ROA's, both in the short/binge and long terms.
Smoking is wasteful -- it burns a lot of drug that never gets into your system, even if you do it carefully. You'll go through your supply VERY fast when smoking it. It also subjects you to toxic byproducts, which are *not* a myth... you'll taste them from time to time and gag, I guarantee it. However, it's the quickest/most potent ("rush-iest") ROA, short of IV'ing... you can get large amounts of substance into your body very quickly. Watch it, as too many big hits too close together can send you into panic/anxiety, delerium or psychosis.
IV'ing (slamming) is both the most conservative (amount-wise) and the fastest-acting (rush/high-wise). A purist will insist on this method. However, it is the riskiest route of administration, as it's never safe to put anything directly into your bloodstream. The bloodstream was not designed to have anything introduced into it directly, and IV'ing is risky even under sterile medical conditions, with the substance administered by a physician. You can't take it back, either... once it's in, it's in.
Intranasal and rectal are also pretty quick -- in particular, intranasal (snorting) is probably the least wasteful way to use the drug, short of IV'ing.... your supply of MDPV will likely last the longest when you use it intranasally. Dissolving it in some water first and administering it via a vaporizer can be helpful in terms of exact dosing, as long as you don't dissolve large amounts (keep it to 50-100mg at a time max), since MDPV tends to break down fairly fast in solution. The drug will be absorbed rapidly through the nasal mucosa, and what isn't will be swallowed and absorbed in the stomach/intestines.
Rectal (plugging) is interesting, and can be a convenient one-off dosing method, provided you're comfortable with it. But it's really no better than intranasal, IME, and probably not as good. You don't need to bypass first-pass metabolism, particularly if you're using intranasally. It can also be potentially wasteful, depending on the condition of the inside of your rectum.
Oral administration (eating it) is often the worst ROA, despite its popularity. Not only does it take a long time to come on, but can be wasteful due to incomplete oral bioavailability. However, the resulting high can be the most stable and predictable, with the fewest ups and downs.
In short -- If "big rushes" are the most important, I'd go for smoking/vaping. If conserving product is the most important, I'd go for snorting/intranasal. If both are the most important, I'd go for IV'ing/slamming.
My take on rapidity of effects:
Most stim users seem to equate euphoria with a sudden rush (a large amount coming on rapidly), but that isn't the only type of euphoria to be had from stims. A gradual, sustained, high blood level can feel like a completely different drug. I recommend experimenting with dosing very small and very often, particularly if you like the sexual side of stimulants. IME, roller-coaster rushing is not as conducive to them as a steady, strong, intense high that one has fully adapted to and that presents no surprises. Then you can pull out the porn and enjoy
.Peace...
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Mailmonkey
Bluelighter
^I think you said before Dedbeet, I find it very different drug depending on the ROA.
I only really vape, or snort this one.
Vaping I like the rush, and the ROA itself, but, don't find ANYTHING sexual in vaping. My missis won't vape, on principle, exposed to too much Grange Hill as a wee lass.
Snorting I find has sexual side to it, good stimulant in that respect, butt not as good in our opinion as good clean mephedrone. Meph is much more sustainable as a sexual stimulant for us, MDPV is a bit too much of a balancing act.
I only really vape, or snort this one.
Vaping I like the rush, and the ROA itself, but, don't find ANYTHING sexual in vaping. My missis won't vape, on principle, exposed to too much Grange Hill as a wee lass.
Snorting I find has sexual side to it, good stimulant in that respect, butt not as good in our opinion as good clean mephedrone. Meph is much more sustainable as a sexual stimulant for us, MDPV is a bit too much of a balancing act.
SmokeaJoint
Bluelighter
F*cking uggh... I literally don't feel physically up to PV anymore, after ca. 16 hours on it. Dunno if I'm behind on nutrition, exercise or sleep (probably lagging somewhat in all three) but I just do not have the energy to mess with it any more right now.
OK, I've taken 100mg total of Seroquel over the past 8-10 hrs too (and a bit of atenolol to supplement).... that's probably the whole ball of wax right there, now that I think about it 8). It works really well to kill excess PV tweak, but I SO not recommend it for that -- it kills off everything else, too, including the PV high, your emotions, your energy and desire, leaving a feeling like you are just too damn worn out to give a f*ck about anything.
Kinda like treating excess adrenaline by eliminating your ability to feel energy
. Fucking yeah, the bathtub's a bit too full, so let's fix that by removing it. It won't be too full any more, NEways.
Ektamine is probably right -- 100 to 300mg will end a PV binge, even if you don't fall asleep, for no other reason that it won't work no more and you're too tired to bother trying. I think it *would* help with a severe comedown, fwiw, as it kills off both negatives and positives and you won't feel particularly shitty... you just won't feel anything except f*cking tired.
It's like the anti-peevee... makes sense too, as psychosis is treated primarily through decreasing the effects of dopamine.
OK, I've taken 100mg total of Seroquel over the past 8-10 hrs too (and a bit of atenolol to supplement).... that's probably the whole ball of wax right there, now that I think about it 8). It works really well to kill excess PV tweak, but I SO not recommend it for that -- it kills off everything else, too, including the PV high, your emotions, your energy and desire, leaving a feeling like you are just too damn worn out to give a f*ck about anything.
Kinda like treating excess adrenaline by eliminating your ability to feel energy
. Fucking yeah, the bathtub's a bit too full, so let's fix that by removing it. It won't be too full any more, NEways.Ektamine is probably right -- 100 to 300mg will end a PV binge, even if you don't fall asleep, for no other reason that it won't work no more and you're too tired to bother trying. I think it *would* help with a severe comedown, fwiw, as it kills off both negatives and positives and you won't feel particularly shitty... you just won't feel anything except f*cking tired.
It's like the anti-peevee... makes sense too, as psychosis is treated primarily through decreasing the effects of dopamine.
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That sounds to me like its more the quetiapine than the MDPV. Who knows though, I'm not sure when you last used / how much you last used, so it could be burn-out syndrome as well.
Quetiapine at sub-knock out doses used to make me VERY wobbly / sluggish / fatigued in addition to making me start TRIPPING FACE visually. Not like an LSD trip, I mean like random, inanimate shit, would morph into something COMPLETELY illogical and start talking to me, etc etc, that kind of shit.
One particularly ludicrous example:
I was binged on PV and my friend gave me a 100mg seroquel to try and put me to sleep. Needless to say I kept on slamming PV and – you guessed it – didn't fall asleep. I remember first just melting into my chair when a wave of overwhelming sluggishness came over me (think: diphenhydramine). I looked to my left and down on the carpet there was a little flyer for a EDM party sitting there. Somehow, my brain decided this was a puppy
?) and it was just looking up at me with puppy eyes. I then had to figure out what to do with said puppy without hurting it by moving it.
WTF?
And thats why I usually go all-or-nothing with the quetiapine + MDPV combo. 'Cause if it doesn't knock me out... I'm in for a ride.
Quetiapine at sub-knock out doses used to make me VERY wobbly / sluggish / fatigued in addition to making me start TRIPPING FACE visually. Not like an LSD trip, I mean like random, inanimate shit, would morph into something COMPLETELY illogical and start talking to me, etc etc, that kind of shit.
One particularly ludicrous example:
I was binged on PV and my friend gave me a 100mg seroquel to try and put me to sleep. Needless to say I kept on slamming PV and – you guessed it – didn't fall asleep. I remember first just melting into my chair when a wave of overwhelming sluggishness came over me (think: diphenhydramine). I looked to my left and down on the carpet there was a little flyer for a EDM party sitting there. Somehow, my brain decided this was a puppy
?) and it was just looking up at me with puppy eyes. I then had to figure out what to do with said puppy without hurting it by moving it.WTF?
And thats why I usually go all-or-nothing with the quetiapine + MDPV combo. 'Cause if it doesn't knock me out... I'm in for a ride.
Yes, now that I've given it some thought, I suspect it's almost all the quetiapine. The shit is much more powerful than you suspect when taking 15mg... then another 15mg... then another... and suddenly whoops, why am I too tired to tighten the muscles in my arms for more than 1/2 second, and the PV isn't helping in the slightest? 8).
Had to try it once as a treatment for excess PV tweakage. And I think it might work for that, once. Once every 24 hours, 10-20mg for that, if you really overdid PV and desperately need it. More than that and you're a zombie, and treating it with PV just makes you a bit-more-active-than-usual zombie.
Heh... I'm just sorta waiting for the quetiapine to wear off at this point. Thankfully it doesn't have that long a half life.One particularly ludicrous example:
I was binged on PV and my friend gave me a 100mg seroquel to try and put me to sleep. Needless to say I kept on slamming PV and – you guessed it – didn't fall asleep. I remember first just melting into my chair when a wave of overwhelming sluggishness came over me (think: diphenhydramine). I looked to my left and down on the carpet there was a little flyer for a EDM party sitting there. Somehow, my brain decided this was a puppy
WTF?
And thats why I usually go all-or-nothing with the quetiapine + MDPV combo. 'Cause if it doesn't knock me out... I'm in for a ride.
FlippingTop
Bluelighter
lmao^
edit: bah you post is in the way >.<
edit: bah you post is in the way >.<
Yeah, have you tried a big hit off ye old foil yet?
Whenever I would take low-dose quetiapine I would end up just doing higher amounts of PV to get myself back in the looney-bin.
GO FOR THE THE GOLD DEDBEET! Marathon hits, marathon hits
Yep. The quetiapine wins. I s'pose that's why it's given to peeps who are freaked out enough to do stuff like run screaming through the streets nekked. Even a big foil hit just makes me feel "energized/agitated-zombie" rather than "slow/weak zombie". But it will wear off...