MDPV Megathread 6: neko's cum guzzling cock juggling extravaganza!!

[Dedbeet]

Very strange. Maybe the super low dose is different from taking like say 100mg at once but then powering through the night with shots of PV. Or maybe the effexor is having some effect on the seroquel.

I dunno... everyone reacts to drugs differently. I *did* take 100mg total of quetiapine, over the course of some hours -- that seems enough to mostly block PV's effects on dopamine. That's what the stuff is for, blocking the effects of dopamine, as that's what makes peeps crazy-like, dontcha know.

I feel kinda sorry for folks who have to be on high doses of antipsychotics all the time. It just makes you feel too tired to think or care. That'd be a pretty fucked up state to have to live with all the time.

 

[ektamine]

Are you taking effexor these days?

 

[Dedbeet]

Are you taking effexor these days?

Silly question... I dare not *not* take it. You think the comedown/w/d's from MDPV is bad/unpleasant? Try Effexor . It's not only bad, it's WEIRD... I mean WEIRD effects, like a **loud** background "hiss" that comes on, accompanied by dizziness and 'brain zaps', strange thought-process distortions, and (if in bed) the inability to either fall completely asleep or wake up from that half-asleep state. You're trapped in a kind of limbo, with outrageously bizarre dreams even Stephen King couldn't dream up.

 

[ektamine]

I have some lying around in my Med. cabinet actually.. Can't think of anything worth while to do with it as I don't wanna experience the dreaded effexor WD.

 

[Dedbeet]

I have some lying around in my Med. cabinet actually.. Can't think of anything worth while to do with it as I don't wanna experience the dreaded effexor WD.

Can't think of a reason in the universe to take it, other than "as indicated" for depression. IME, it works really for that, if it works for you, and is generally just fine... IF you don't ever forget to take it on schedule.

 

[ektamine]

Yep – me either. And so it sits :D

 

[FlippingTop]

'brain zaps', strange thought-process distortions, and (if in bed) the inability to either fall completely asleep or wake up from that half-asleep state. You're trapped in a kind of limbo, with outrageously bizarre dreams even Stephen King couldn't dream up.

I got the same thing after a concussion and at the same time a few drug WD (can't remember which ones...)

NASTY shit

 

[Dedbeet]

Yep – me either. And so it sits :D

Fwiw, I rarely complain about Effexor, despite hearing others complain and knowing what a problem it is missing a dose, potential interactions and such... cuz I really feel it works better for depression/blues and some types of anxiety than anything I've ever taken before (and I've tried many). For me anyway, it is truly effective -- and so I can forgive it a fair amount. Outside the occasional drug like aspirin, how often do you run into a drug that really works well for the purpose you're taking it?

I got the same thing after a concussion and at the same time a few drug WD (can't remember which ones...)

NASTY shit

Yes, missing several or more doses (just one isn't enough to bring the W/D effects full on) is much like being hit upside the head with a brick, and receiving a concussion. Aside from the absence of pain and visible damage to the cranium, that is indeed just what it feels like.

 

[ektamine]

Fwiw, I rarely complain about Effexor, despite hearing others complain and knowing what a problem it is missing a dose, potential interactions and such... cuz I really feel it works better for depression/blues and some types of anxiety than anything I've ever taken before (and I've tried many). For me anyway, it is truly effective -- and so I can forgive it a fair amount. Outside the occasional drug like aspirin, how often do you run into a drug that really works well for the purpose you're taking it?

Ironically, Aspirin / Ibuprofen / Acetaminophen and the likes are some of the only drugs I feel absolutely zero benefit from

 

[Dedbeet]

Ironically, Aspirin / Ibuprofen / Acetaminophen and the likes are some of the only drugs I feel absolutely zero benefit from

Well, I mentioned aspirin cuz it has some unusual beneficial side effects (e.g. helping prevent heart attacks), unlike most other drugs where the side effects are all considered negative/unwanted. Anyway, my point is that if I don't forget to take Effexor XR, it seems as though I don't have any problems with it -- I'm just free of feeling low, down and depressed, without thinking about or bothering further with it.

I don't even get the slightest bit of minor blues the day or two after coming off a PV binge. Other stuff yes, neutrality/numbness perhaps, but nothing actually below the line.

Of course, there's no *proof* the Effexor is doing it... could be things changed/turned around somehow about the time I started taking it, and/or the Effexor is just helping somewhat. But I don't mind, and am happy to give Effexor the credit, what the hey... again, as long as I don't forget to take it.

It's kind of bizarre, if ya think about it -- If I forget to take it, I wish I had always 'forgotten to take it', but if I don't forget to take it, I don't need to remember it .

 

[ektamine]

One compound I have found helpful to have around when indulging in PV is melatonin. It helps to relax, and if you're coming down, it can help you get to sleep. It has some effect (of which I do not fully understand) on the dopamine system, primarly inhibiting the release of dopamine in several areas of the brain.

You can read more about Melatonin-Dopamine interaction here:

Melatonin–Dopamine Interactions: From Basic Neurochemistry to a Clinical Setting

 

[Dedbeet]

One compound I have found helpful to have around when indulging in PV is melatonin. It helps to relax, and if you're coming down, it can help you get to sleep. It has some effect (of which I do not fully understand) on the dopamine system, primarly inhibiting the release of dopamine in several areas of the brain.

You can read more about Melatonin-Dopamine interaction here:

Melatonin–Dopamine Interactions: From Basic Neurochemistry to a Clinical Setting

I've never had much luck with melatonin, for whatever reason, although I never tried it with any seriousness. After a PV binge my biorhythms and sleep cycle tend to be screwed up to the edge of the universe and back, and melatonin won't bring 'em back right away anyways cuz I tend to be sleeping much more often than usual, and definitely not only at night.

Will have to try it during PV sometime, and see what it does... I could really use some during-peevee aids. Used to be on Klonopin and propranolol (and gabapentin), which was poifect, but now I'm not on anything but Effexor . PV can be damn rough going without something to smooth off the edges that works better than alcohol.

In fact, there are occasional times (not often, but occasionally) when you *need* something to smooth things off, and not having anything is just as bad as any biological need going un-met, IMO. Others cannot see what one is going on inside one's brain and consciousness, and so they just assume you're OK if your heart seems to be beating OK and such. Not so.

 

[ektamine]

I've never had much luck with melatonin, for whatever reason, although I never tried it with any seriousness. After a PV binge my biorhythms and sleep cycle tend to be screwed up to the edge of the universe and back, and melatonin won't bring 'em back right away anyways cuz I tend to be sleeping much more often than usual, and definitely not only at night.

Will have to try it during PV sometime, and see what it does... I could really use some during-peevee aids. Used to be on Klonopin and propranolol (and gabapentin), which was poifect, but now I'm not on anything but Effexor . PV can be damn rough going without something to smooth off the edges that works better than alcohol.

In fact, there are occasional times (not often, but occasionally) when you *need* something to smooth things off, and not having anything is just as bad as any biological need going un-met, IMO/IME. Others cannot see what one is going on inside one's brain and consciousness, and so they just assume you're OK if your heart seems to be beating OK and such. Not so.

If you can find it, (I think I found it at Whole Foods or another health-food store) look for the 'Sleep Support' supplements that are composed of:

3mg melatonin
25mg L-theanine (has been called a 'caffeine anti-dote', active ingredient of green tea, supposed to relax and ease jitteryness)

 

[Dedbeet]

If you can find it, (I think I found it at Whole Foods or another health-food store) look for the 'Sleep Support' supplements that are composed of:

3mg melatonin
25mg L-theanine (has been called a 'caffeine' anti-dote, active ingredient of green tea, supposed to relax and ease jitteryness)

Fwiw, I chalk up most of that stuff helping with PV to placebo effect at this point, despite many people swearing by some particular OTC aid as being helpful. Maybe a half-dozen of 'em put together equates to around a quarter of a Xanax bar .

 

[ektamine]

Yeah, I mean they are supposed to have some effect of limiting / regulating dopamine flow, but I'm not all that knowledgeable on pharmacology so I won't say any more.

 

[Dedbeet]

PV-Tamers/accompaniments

IME, if you end up choosing the wrong 'tamer' or 'accompaniment' to PV, you're worse off than if you had used none at all.

I'm talking "serious" accompaniments here, btw, not ginkgo or valerian root.

Even in the short term, there are only a few worthy/reasonable 'tamer's that go well with PV. It's pretty much down to just benzos, barbs, opiates or light drinking... take your pick.

And IMO, in the long term... none of these are any good. None of them.

The likelihood with benzos is that you'll end up developing a benzo addiction/withdrawal issue that is much more serious than the issues you had with MDPV that you were trying to tame.

Barbiturates are a similar case, are not generally easy to source and are not much better than alcohol.

With opiates, the long-term possibility is that you will end up dead. No kidding -- there is no more dangerous a drug combination in existence than opiates and stimulants. What generally happens is that the stimulant wears off before the opiate does, and suddenly you have five times the respiratory depression you had before. Off to dreamland, permanently.

From here, none of these solutions are any good long-term

IMO/IME -- MDPV is best used alone. Particularly given that one tends to do the accompanying/taming drug and just increase their intake of PV to overcome the effects and get a similar high.

No one asked, but if anyone did -- I'd recommend they never mix anything stronger than weak tea with MDPV, except in the occasional/rare case. Every single time I have, I've regretted it, particularly when I've looked down the road to see what happens if I do it regularly.

Peace...

 

[sighhill]

OK... learned today that a contact lens case isn't the best storing place for peevee at work. Well, maybe alright for storing, but not for separating it for a bump. Just a tad bit more than expected followed by a, "Hey! Why are you running around in circles?" 30 minutes later from the boss.

 

[ektamine]

^

 

[Rusted Chains]

I'm utterly amazed at how competent the shadow people are. They've been chasing me for like 2 years now and they've never once left proof of their existence. I even started filming my windows when I leave the room, but I'm pretty sure they have invisibility cloaks, 'cause they always slip by unnoticed.

I even tried recording them but their voices are unrecordable! BLAST!

this thread should be renamed 'mdpv megathread 6: the shadow people appreciation thread"

Fuck yeah, those mutha fuckas are slick. Don'tcha hate when they take your lighter just to fuck around? You look in all of the usual places, twice, and still can't locate it. You end up finding the lighter 5 minutes later...trying to figure out how they put it in your pocket without you knowing!

 

[Shambles]

I fuckin' this thread with all my heart. Best thread on BL by a country mile. Keep on keepin' on, Fiendz

In peev news, I finally got hold of a smidge a few weeks back. Was rather less than I'd hoped for but under the circumstances it was received I certainly ain't gonna be complaining. 750mg of quality peev after such a lengthy break did go down well, I must say. Went down a bit too quick unfortunately (3 daze is just not quite enough ) but went down a treat nonetheless.

Had a few odd effects in terms of visuals in particular. More visuals than I get on most psyches in fact. Albeit of totally different types. The fact that the town just so happened to be in the midst of a bat mass-migration that week was a bonus. Bat Country indeed. Those fuckers can be big - one nearly took me feckin' head off on one memorable walk home :D

PS: I did not hallucinate the bats. Sadly or maybe not. I did wonder but as many other (sober) folks were loving the bat-based antics I think it was just a pleasing coincidence.