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Also let me add this--- the reason AM cortisol is important is bc of this:

Currently, if you are experiencing very bad anxiety and/or depression, etc cortisol levels are generally supposed to rise in healthy individuals and if they are above the range that means your HPA system is responding which is good. However, a slightly low cortisol level implies that for whatever reason the adrenals are not being SIGNALED to produce more. They can produce it, but the right signals are not getting there.

Also DHEA-S may be useful as will Pregnenolone. Both are produced by the adrenals.
 
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It actually calms me down knowing that your ltc started 2 years after you last pill. This clearly states that no one here has permanent brain damage. You cant wake up two years after popping a pill and suddenly get brain damage lol, doesn't work like that. Thanks alot for posting here, this just gave me the go signal to pursue my dream of recovery till I die from old age if I have to.

Much love
 
For the reccord I have sickening HPPD too it makes no sense. Walls made out of little stones give me a lsd trip. Eye floaters are there too. Its the most annoying symptom of all!
 
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Well thats good to hear regarding the Tianeptine. In fact, I didn't mean to "discount" the serotonin dysfunction theory--thats is very valid too and in fact, it actually ties within the HPA axis theory. After all, the first point of regulation in the HPA (I am considering both testosterone and thyroid part of it even though technically they are the HPG and HPT axes) is at the neurotransmitter level in the PVN of the hypothalamus.
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Yeah, as I've understood it HPA axis dysregulation is one of multiple possible issues with serotonin dysfunction. Do you think that tianeptine or other drugs that's supposed to help regulate the HPA axis could be sufficient treatment?

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For the reccord I have sickening HPPD too it makes no sense. Walls made out of little stones give me a lsd trip. Eye floaters are there too. Its the most annoying symptom of all!
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I have the floaters too, but I don't think they should be considered part of the HPPD diagnosis (yes it's an accepted diagnosis in some countries). People who have never touched drugs also experience them. Those types of walls you mention can also give me a hard time when my symptoms are bad. Interestignly HPPD symptoms fluctuate directly with my general condition, so even if I'm about to get sick my HPPD will increase. Normally it's recovered to the point that I don't notice it at all.
 
I don't believe the HPA cortisol adrenal fatigue blah stuff at all. None of that stuff is medically proven. My doctor tested my 9am cortisol and it was normal 450 nmol/L (range 1 - 600).

I am still suffering with symptoms 11 months later, albeit I have the added complication of dealing with celiac disease. Symptoms I still deal with daily:
- Heart pounding hard for no reason
- Heart skipping beats
- Feeling that stimulant body high combined with feintness and anxiety out of the blue
- Intense muscle twitching, whole body vibrating 24/7 some days, eyelid has been twitching non stop for about 3 months (fuck me thats annoying)

I've stopped caring but the symptoms haven't stopped. I'm just getting on with my life and coping as best I can. I've been going to raves a lot recently, no drugs but I drink and dance for hours and for a while I get to forget all this bullshit.
 
Rollin2341 said:
Well mine started 2 years after my last pill. That's why I don't know what to attribute it to. Is it all the e, the heroin and xanax, or a combo of everything I just don't get it. I mean 2 years after stopping is a long time but maybe the amount of times I did it has something to do with it. Not to mention the amount of pills def 1000+
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My symptoms started 2 months after the last time I rolled. It was only my second time rolling, but who cares, as you experience I also had a lot of social anxiety. Im on month 3 now and are really improving. The thing is, I did first have a bad comedown lasting almost 2 weeks. Then I lived very stressfully for 2 months - THEN it came.

Brother. Hang in there. It may be so that because of your extreme drug use you will have a longer LTC, but if I were you I would test everything that could be tested...
 
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I don't believe the HPA cortisol adrenal fatigue blah stuff at all. None of that stuff is medically proven. My doctor tested my 9am cortisol and it was normal 450 nmol/L (range 1 - 600).

I am still suffering with symptoms 11 months later, albeit I have the added complication of dealing with celiac disease. Symptoms I still deal with daily:
- Heart pounding hard for no reason
- Heart skipping beats
- Feeling that stimulant body high combined with feintness and anxiety out of the blue
- Intense muscle twitching, whole body vibrating 24/7 some days, eyelid has been twitching non stop for about 3 months (fuck me thats annoying)

I've stopped caring but the symptoms haven't stopped. I'm just getting on with my life and coping as best I can. I've been going to raves a lot recently, no drugs but I drink and dance for hours and for a while I get to forget all this bullshit.
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Adrenal fatigue is not a real disease you are right. HPA dysfunction on the other hand has been shown to exist. You seem to have gotten celiac disease--can't that account for your symptoms? And did this celiac disease start after MDMA--just wondering cause MDMA can cause immune system alterations too and it could have been just enough to tip the scales so that your genetic predisposition kicked in. Did you get tested for other autoimmune disorders such as thyroid stuff liike Hashimoto's or Graves disease? And this Celiac stuff can pretty much be causing all your symptoms right?

MDMA can absolutely cause HPA dysfunction. It affects cortisol reactivity and even GnRH expression. My FSH level was lower than the normal range enough to suspect a piuitary adenoma which wasn't there. And the doctor then couldn't explain why FSH was so low and just said oh "stress" which is complete bullshit cause then a ton of people with gen anxiety or depression would have low FSH/infertility but they don't. Its low enough for me such that I am most likely infertile. How is all this to be explained by something other than MDMA? Prior to MDMA I didn't have all these hormonal issues. Then after getting dehydrated in a seperate incident after recovering from MDMA in 1 week I suddenly develop all these health problems. Coincidence? doubt it--clearly the MDMA altered something most likely at the molecular/genetic level to cause this. Perhaps some people who use it are more sensitive to this stuff than others but it can trigger it.

Granted, I am pretty happy that all these symptoms I have full under the area of an endocrine disruption cause that just means I gotta get to the right levels and circadian rhythms of T, E2, cortisol and then I will be cured THEORETICALLY or else be way better. My goal is to achieve 100.00% the same identical personality as I had before all of this as if it never ever happened.

Just searching it up you can come up with so many studies regarding these neurohormonal changes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2753463/ regarding HPG axis

http://ijnp.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/8/1119.abstract

http://journals.lww.com/behavioural...A,_cortisol,_and_heightened_stress_in.12.aspx
 
Thanks a lot for the replies I'm so happy this thread was made on here there's really nowhere else that I could talk about this and people understand.. I def gotta get tests done cuz my use was very extreme not only with e but with everything. It feels really good being sober now but this anxiety worries the shit out of me.
 
And wow taxflax u experienced this after ur second time rolling?? That's pretty crazy cuz I would literally go 50 weeks in a row doing at least 5 pills a week and never felt any ill after effects. And even after I stopped doing it after about the 300th time I had nothing for 2 years. I guess it goes to show that everyone is different and some people are more predisposed than others. I'm happy to hear you are improving tho. Did u have to get on any meds or is this all without them??
 
Rollin, I experienced this on my first time rolling.

And tpchan, I feel you man, really. I just lay on my side, and I cant hold my ipad correctly because my chest vibrates as fuck and my arms twitches. fuck this shit dude.
 
Rollin, I experienced this on my first time rolling.

And tpchan, I feel you man, really. I just lay on my side, and I cant hold my ipad correctly because my chest vibrates as fuck and my arms twitches. fuck this shit dude. How much time have you been on this ltc and did you get the twitching and vibrating right off the start?
 
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Rollin, I experienced this on my first time rolling.

And tpchan, I feel you man, really. I just lay on my side, and I cant hold my ipad correctly because my chest vibrates as fuck and my arms twitches. fuck this shit dude. How much time have you been on this ltc and did you get the twitching and vibrating right off the start?
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11 months now. In the run up to my LTC I had 3 huge panic attacks whilst high on speed that had my muscles shivering so hard I felt like I was having a seizure. After a night of far too much MDMA I started to have those panic attacks whilst sober, severe enough to land me in ER a few times. After about a month or so of dealing with them I got an annoying twitch in my left foot, then in my left leg, then in my chest and gradually all over. They've never really gone away but when I'm busy and distracted they tend to get better.
 
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11 months now. In the run up to my LTC I had 3 huge panic attacks whilst high on speed that had my muscles shivering so hard I felt like I was having a seizure. After a night of far too much MDMA I started to have those panic attacks whilst sober, severe enough to land me in ER a few times. After about a month or so of dealing with them I got an annoying twitch in my left foot, then in my left leg, then in my chest and gradually all over. They've never really gone away but when I'm busy and distracted they tend to get better.
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Wow. We are the only two saying we have vibrations, and I was on adhd meds wich are basically speed. Now we can say that the amphetamine is the cause of our vibrations.
 
Pretty much took an MDMA cap on new years this year.. Smoked weed after ingesting the cap and proceeded to have anxiety attack, elevated heart beat sweating etc... Its been a month now since new years. Now the interesting thing that differs from a lot of LTC's is that psychologically i feel 90% fine! occasionally ill zone out and not be able to concentrate but honestly i think thats my ADHD. The hardest part of my LTC however, is the massive FUCKING chest pains...jeesus they dont stop 24/7 going from my shoulder down to the last rib on the left side... and my left arm goes numb constantly and gets shooting pains?! its only been 1 month i know but little to no improvement from the first week?! any advice for the physical pain would be much appreciated
 
Hello people, I'm on month eight after the LTC , it was my first time , i felt all the symptons, DR , DP , BRAIN FOG , VISIONS PROBLEMS , HEART BURNING , SKIPPING HEART BEATS , ANXIETY , DEPRESSION...I am a medicine student so to me it was really scared i think i fucked up my intelligence , my precious Skill..
So the symptons havent go out from month 6,then i started use FLUOXETIN (PROZAC) 60 mg daily then 80 mg daily for aproxim 1 month now..
The symptons have get better in 75% , i think SRRI are the treatment for the LTC,i say thanks to ro4eva that give me an light for that problems that have scared me a lot,ro4eva you are an medical angel , thank you a lot man! Don't do Ecstasy , they will fuck you , this is my advice!
I think all of you can get better with an SRRI , in a month you will feel a lot better , trust me!
I wish all of you have a good time,like I am having now,after a long time of dark,i am seeing the light!
Good Luck people!
 
Fuck. Going on 8 months ltc. from month 4 everything was ok. not perfect but good. And had a setback 3 wks ago. and been complete shit ever since. Anxiety thru the roof. my therapist says i could beat it w/o medication but idk thinking of taking it.. im soo afraid tho. i had the option of meds since the beginning but declined to taking it. But i give up.. Jus afraid ill be stuck on those meds for long time and side effects. Idk what to do.
 
Im in the same boat as you. Chest pains on left side. Shoulder and shoulder blade pains. Wasnt anxious but my dry tongue mouth has been going on for the past 2 days.

For the people seeing therapists. What kind of doctor do you rec? Cause my primary care doesnt really think anything is wrong even though i told him my story.
 
Well at the moment i only get anxiety when i hype my self about the pains, ATM it throbs and hurts constantly, and at the moment dont even know how im going to go to University like this. Looking at this thread makes me grateful though my mind set is pretty straight apart from occasionally being called crazy by my parents from constant complaining about pains. Is there any medicine for the pain? will this pain go away?
 
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