MDMA is evil. Never take it again.

[saar_420]

How can (moderate) use of pills be bad for you? They help open us up. Help us feel alive, have theraputic value. Show us meaning... help us bond with our friends. Give something exciting in our lives. Can change you into a better person... the list of goodness is endless.

So if they are not causing you harsh repercussions, how can they possibly be considered "evil" or even negative in any way?

This is why: MDMA's popularity is a product of todays society.

We're not free. We're insecure, we're judging each other... looking for the worst in each other. We're scared to voice our opinions: we conform. We're concerned about how we look, how we dress. What others think of us. We need to have partners - even though we don't love them - just to feel secure.

It makes us depressed. Unhappy. Make life seem worthless.

So we turn to MDMA... those few hours are precious. Things are how they're meant to be; we love each other. We're positive. We appreciate the beauty in everything. We......understand.

You don't need MDMA for love, openess and direction. You need to free your minds and have self respect to find this

It doesn't matter what you look like. What disabilities you have. Or what anyone thinks of you... regain your integrity; love yourself. And you will have no desire for the drug.

It's hard to do this, because so many other insecure people around you will judge you and make you feel bad. As hard as it all is... don't take notice.

Once you've achieved this state of mental security, you realise how dangerous and wrong the drug is. It is fucking with the "love" part of the brain - the most important part. The part that gives our lives meaning and value. Hindering this in anyway will be your biggest mistake.

And don't give me that "But no-ones proved any long-term damage" crap. Just because they haven't found it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Who knows how it will effect the brains willingness to release serotonin and what other mental repercussions it will have.

Find your love from life. Not a pill.

 

[Xihias]

Way to go and try class everyone ... ?

You sir, are an (edit). But I'm glad that you've formed your own opionion. Don't go pushing it on other people. Maybe YOUR life is like that, mine certainly isn't.

 

[Jwlst]

As someone said before (cant remember where I saw this):

"I used to get high on life but then I built a tolerance"

 

[saar_420]

Way to go and try class everyone ... ?

You sir, are an idiot. But I'm glad that you've formed your own opionion. Don't go pushing it on other people. Maybe YOUR life is like that, mine certainly isn't.

You know nothing about my life. Just my state of mind. We all have issues and problems, some worse than others... some so bad where we feel hopelesness. I've been there too.

Sorry if I sounded patronising. But I make my point - we're replacing the values that should come naturally to us, with chemicals. It's wrong.

 

[on_the_rise_5]

I think the first part of that statment is true, before MDMA that was a lotmore how my mind operated, now after MDMA, even when im not using (i use rarely now, save it for random fantastic nights) i feel the way that u say you should feel without the drug, it has given me the confidence to be happy in who i am and no longer worry about others opinions on me... YES, i may have found this without the use of substances, however,i feel that drugs in general have expanded and made my life a lot happier than i was before i found drugs,this is when using and not as said above.

Interesting view however, and i hope you lead the happy life you are talking about forever,as i feel that is all that we are all seeking, a way of life contains a lot less stress, some find drugs others dont, you fit into the latter category,

 

[Vladicus]

Way to go and try class everyone ... ?

You sir, are an idiot. But I'm glad that you've formed your own opionion. Don't go pushing it on other people. Maybe YOUR life is like that, mine certainly isn't.

What exactly is wrong with what he wrote you (edit)?
Because the post is not reminiscent of WHOO I LOVE E, it is a leperous and vile opinion that should only be kept bottled up in that fellow's mind?
FUCK that.

 

[hoptis]

Sorry if I sounded patronising. But I make my point - we're replacing the values that should come naturally to us, with chemicals. It's wrong.

In an ideal world, yes, there'd be no use for drugs like MDMA, but (quite simply), we don't live in that world.

My observation is that a lot of people I meet out are experiencing something on E that they can't approach in their normal, everyday lives. They experience emotions and insights which they normally wouldn't arrive at through their day-to-day sober, waking state.

Now, if I were to choose between an angry, bitter and anti-social young man growing up into an angry, bitter and anti-social adult... or that young man taking a drug like MDMA and perhaps, finding in that experience, the pathway to a more relaxed and tolerant mindframe; I know what I would choose.

As an experience, it can and has helped people to become more open-minded and empathetic of others. Isn't that prefereable to not making any emotional and spiritual progress at all?

Also, to me all happiness experienced by humans is ultimately the result of chemical reactions in the brain. Whether that reaction is caused by the release of serotonin after taking MDMA or by having a good belly laugh; who are we (or you) to say which one is more "right"? And if you really do think so, can you explain why?

MDMA's popularity is a product of todays society.

I'd agree that some, not all, of the popularity of this drug is a product of the world we live in.

we're judging each other

Yes, we are:

You need to free your minds and have self respect to find this

I'm not dismissing what you have to say, but if the human condition were as simple as you make it sound in your post, there'd be no need for websites like this.

Take care

 

[lady grey]

Thats not what i take drugs for at all!! i take drugs to go out dancing with my friends and to have good nights out. not to find love or self respect. I dont need love if it comes along id luv it but i dont need it, also im fairly secure in myself and i try to see the best in everybody not judge them. and i lost that whole i love everybody and your all my best friend feeling from pills a long time ago but i still take them. Im not saying my life is great cos it far from it but drugs arent wat affect your life, you do.

 

[woodpecker]

While saar's point is well taken, I don't believe my partner and I would have ever opened completely up to each other without it. Someone I had been with
for 17 years before I rediscovered and she discovered X together. I could not put a price on what it has done for our relationship that now bests 20 years.

As far as overall outlook I found that after ABUSE I am far more negative now than before, but have moved around alot with my career and some of this may be attributable to generally not feeling "at home".

I opine that if you had say 1or 2 yearly sessions your outlook and persona might stay "loved up" till death.

Fake chemically induced or not I don't foresee a utopia here on earth in my future anyway so might as well indulge if that's your thing.

 

[saar_420]

i feel the way that u say you should feel without the drug, it has given me the confidence to be happy in who i am and no longer worry about others opinions on me... YES, i may have found this without the use of substances, however,i feel that drugs in general have expanded and made my life a lot happier than i was before i found drugs,this is when using and not as said above

I can actually relate to this. When I first started using ecstasy, it helped guide me. Understand myself and others more… certainly expanded my mind. I might go as far as to say I might not have found this security without the drug. I remember I was insecure and depressed one night, took some pills, and they helped me realise a few things.

But I believe people should be encouraged to do this without the drug. And, even if it is used, it shouldn’t be used as a source of happiness… only to slip into depression and forget it all again.

What exactly is wrong with what he wrote you two-bit nazi?

He has some issues. And the thread did sound a bit arrogant… I’ll edit it.

In an ideal world, yes, there'd be no use for drugs like MDMA, but (quite simply), we don't live in that world

This is the thing. We shouldn’t succumb to the morbidity of this world and it’s people. We should rise above it and not accept it and take pills to escape.

My observation is that a lot of people I meet out are experiencing something on E that they can't approach in their normal, everyday lives. They experience emotions and insights which they normally wouldn't arrive at through their day-to-day sober, waking state.

Absolutly. Our average daily lives are so mundane, they have become reliant on MDMA as a source of mental heightness. They are probably insecure. This should be dealt with, not put aside while they waste their brains away on drugs.

As an experience, it can and has helped people to become more open-minded and empathetic of others. Isn't that prefereable to not making any emotional and spiritual progress at all?”

Indeed. But this spiritual progress should be found through life and self achievement. Not pills.

all happiness experienced by humans is ultimately the result of chemical reactions in the brain. Whether that reaction is caused by the release of serotonin after taking MDMA or by having a good belly laugh; who are we (or you) to say which one is more "right"? And if you really do think so, can you explain why?”

You shouldn’t treat life as a goal to get highs and luxury. To get active achievement from life is more rewarding. So you take your pills, you have fun for hours then feel like crap for days after. You get a belly laugh, and you’ve got it because you’ve heard a great joke. You will remember that joke and respect the person who made it.

Getting your highs from drugs, not life, is not only a wasted and pointless existence. But it will effect your brain. I’ve suffered anxiety/panic problems from MDMA use (And have seen many others also) have had to deal with slurred speech, lack of mental cognition etc. I’m okay now, but I think getting your highs from life not drugs is a hell of a lot healthier…

but if the human condition were as simple as you make it sound in your post, there'd be no need for websites like this.”

Precisely. In this fucked up, unloved world, websites like this and drug use will surely grow. It takes a hell of a lot of character to stand up,be yourself and not care what others think. But it can be done, and if you can achieve that people will respect you - no matter who you are.

Thats not what i take drugs for at all!! i take drugs to go out dancing with my friends and to have good nights out.

So you need drugs to have a good night out and dance with friends? I can do the same without MDMA, and then feel great in the morning.

 

[badjessejames]

Every department....every FACT of YOUR mind, Is to be programmed byYOU!!!

Unless YOU begin to take responsibility of YOUR OWN MIND and begin to program it for yourself, THE WORLD WILL DO IT FOR YOU & I GUARENTEE YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT!

 

[~*geNeRaTiOn E*~]

after consulting with my colleagues, i've decided to re-open this thread on ONE CONDITION: there will be NO FLAMING or personal attacks toward ANYONE. the minute i see anything, i'll be editing, closing and handing out warnings.

 

[feelmdmagood]

Saar_420

Hey,

I definetly agree with you, any type of drugs are damaging in anyway, to our bodies, I workout and I did bodybuilding very healthfreak here.


I think, that drugs can be used recreational to enhance our lifes, in any moment, to have an insight, for inspirational porpuses, but we have to understand, nothing in this life is for granted, we gain some, we lose some.

In my prespective and opinion, I love the experience of mdma, but its temporary, and everything that goes up has to come down, so we play hard, than we pay hard, thats choices that we have in our lives, and each one can know and understand the risks and benefits of MDMA, and choose to either take it or not.


In Bluelight we all have to be supportive to everyone, not supportive on taking or not taking, but supportive and teach those that don't know about it, any questions they have, and its entirely solely the person decision of experimenting or not the E-Experince.


PLUR
Believe in Eden

 

[ravbutterfly2]

Generation E--I love your quote!

 

[GenericMind]

The original post was too much of a grand generalization to take seriously IMO.

I'm not saying that some of what you wrote didn't have merit to it, but your whole proposition assumes way too much to be a good one.

 

[Juturna]

As someone said before (cant remember where I saw this):

"I used to get high on life but then I built a tolerance"

great quote. i agree with alot of the original poster's points but i'm still going to drop pills because they make me happy, simple as that. truth is, we are all very insecure about how we dress et cetera, and of course we conform. otherwise we'd have people running around naked. the idea is that ecstasy is a gateway to higher realisation and although it may stress the fragility of human life, ignorance is bliss and we tend to acknowledge each other's presence, ugly and robotic as it may seem. that is why we have partners, even if monogamy in humans is biologically irrational. this is how we live, and unpretty as it may seem, there's no denying it feels good at the end of the day, whether you're CEO of a multinational or a bummed student who's in love. at the end of the day there are things in life we have definitely taken for granted, and i think MDMA is NOT the problem. see things clearer, enjoy life like a child who finds the ceiling more interesting than world politics. and now that we're done with the intellectual masturbation, let's continue droning on like the institutionalised lambs we are. peace, and enjoy the ride, fellow travellers

 

[Speedbird]

Because it's a 4 hour orgasm that nothing else can give it to me (occasional user) It did change me into a better person.

 

[feelmdmagood]

enjoy life like a child who finds the ceiling more interesting than world politics.

Thats why, Mdma Recreates in Us To go back and live the age of Inocense, I love that feeling to view the world as a child, to be a child in those few hours gives me a better understanding about how simple things can bring Joy in each one of us.

Don't Worry, Be Happy!!!

PLUR
Believe in Eden

 

[Juturna]

Thats why, Mdma Recreates in Us To go back and live the age of Inocense, I love that feeling to view the world as a child, to be a child in those few hours gives me a better understanding about how simple things can bring Joy in each one of us.

Don't Worry, Be Happy!!!

PLUR
Believe in Eden

i agree 100%.

 

[BilZ0r]

I just think the original post is stupid.

You don't need MDMA for love, openess and direction.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that

regain your integrity; love yourself. And you will have no desire for the drug.

That's not true at all. Your brain is hard wired to enjoy MDMA, or more, the physico-chemical properties of MDMA directly interact with the molecular properties of your brain, causing you to enjoy it. Rats and mice and other animals with no concept it self-hate or dishonesty will self-administer MDMA. Expecting someones world view to alter the way chemicals interact in the brain is simpley ignorant.

And if you point is "sure, they'll still enjoy it, but if they love them selves, they wont want to enjoy it" then WTF? Why not? Infact, because they would value their own self worth more; they would value their own pleasure more, and would be more likely to take chemical risks to induce pleasure.

And EVEN if you statements were all correct and cogent, how would that make MDMA "evil"? How can a chemical, a completely inhuman and inanimate object be evil?