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MDMA is evil. Never take it again.

I have to dissagree. I used to be pretty depressive and shy and shit. But after trying E and doing it regularly (as well as several other drugs) the rest of my life seems to look better.

Like before E i was pretty sexually repressed, i have some WEIRD kinks and shit that turns me on, and i was pretty afraid (of being a 'freak'). But after rolling and having the most raunchy kinky perverted sex of my life, ive learned to not only cope with it but thrive on it.

I feel happy and horny and im always the one my friends go to when they got problems.

It opens up other prospectives. Because of E ive learned that no matter how bleak the outcome looks theres always a way you can work it out, and to not let it get you down, just work your damndest and you can make it happen.

I would hate to see how much of a geeky, anti-social, sexually repressed person i would be without drugs.
 
Just Wanted To Say I Dont Think We Are Replacing The Values We Are Just Enhancing Them And Have You Personally Ever Used Mdma?
 
This reeks of stuff similar to bible bashing.

Masterbation is evil........Never do it again.

I mean seriously.

You just cant make such massive generalisations such as you have made and expect anyone to take you seriously.

I am all in favour of people having there say but at least provide some sort of logic.............just sounds like the babblings of a preacher or zealot.
 
razorburns said:
the matrix has you. take the red pill, take the blue pill. free your mind.
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I think you missed a bit,
Take the red pill and belive what ever you want to belive.
Take the blue pill and i will show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

All I got from that quote is if I chose a drug to take then I belive in what I want to belive in. However if some one gives me a drug and shows me something about the world I generally take that perception onboard.

On that note, is the only way you could stop takeing E is if some one else shows you how deep and crap it can make you, or do you think one day all on your own you will see that maybe it is not with it?

I personally do belive that E makes that love experience more noticeable, and is infact a really good thing, but if you can get the feeling off love do you still need to be takeing the E? that week after takeing E when you have no seritonium can you love like you did the week before ?
 
OP, I disagree with most of what what you're saying. You're making too strong a generalization that people take e because they don't love or have respect for themselves. You also seem to imply that benefits gained from using this drug somehow has less merit than benefits gained through just experiencing life sober. I don't see the difference as a benefit is a benefit.

But this spiritual progress should be found through life and self achievement. Not pills.
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Yes, one of the benefits of E for many is spiritual growth. Spiritual growth is a positive thing, right? Why should it matter that it came from pills? Why does it have to come through life?
 
agreed. Motivation for taking pills or any drug comes from the affirmation that the drug is nothing but that, an enhancing to everyday life. There may be a small percentage that comes to rely on it to feel good. But that is because of their personality. Drugs are as others said, are inanimate. they're as dead as the words i type. To say something is evil is to give it personification. As if the drug is gonna convince you to do things you wouldn't want. Only the mind can convince one to do such heinous acts as drug abuse and other despicable acts. The growth of spirutuality doesn't come thru the pill, but through the realization that life is more than just looking out for oneself's wellbeing. X is a conduit with which makes the door wider.. and nothing else. .. It is up to the user to walk that plank and accept that trusting in others a necessary part of life. Otherwise one cannot begin to believe in mankind regardless of whether drugs are taken or not. Drugs are a way of life. My way of life. Am i a bad person because of it? No.. I obide the driving laws, I dont carry a gun.. I don't even steal. I just don't see how drugs affect ethics when it is all subjective. Sure someone may go overboard but it is because of their own fucked up personality... X is but a pill, and nothing more. Abuse is commonplace but to condemn mdma completely is absurd. That's like saying just cuz one person got too drunk and fucked a girl not his wife, that alcohol should be banned. They tried that once and it promoted the great depression. Face the facts... Drugs are always going to be around. Recreation exceeds necessity because we are in fact human. Only by denying logic can we obtain a sense of what is logical. And logically speaking, I am here for only 80-100 years... so why not poison myself a little, just to see what my body capable of... ? Only by risk can we obtain any sense of limits. Some just choose to defy those limits and destroy themselves. All the better for the rest of us... so we know what NOT TO DO.. Sorry for the rant,, I just get fed up when people try to personify matter as being the devil, when in fact the devil only exists in their thoughts. BTw I had my first taste of molly this weekend and I can concur MDMA is a blessing to me. I understand what is happening to my body, the serotonine released. Why can't you understand I choose to live like this. and it makes me happy. Humanity comes from not the strife to live life as it should be (natural selection) but to live life as one desires.. Humans are different from all other species in the sense that we can deny the logical thing to do, because we want to show we have a choice... and my choice is to *on occasion* take MDMA because it makes me feel I more connected to the world than just the choices I make. The synergy others feel gives me a sense that I am not alone. That there are others out there other than me that matter. It belittles my problems and intensifies togetherness. We are all human, and only by realizing we are what defines evil/good can we become aware of where we want to go. Earth is going to diminish, but we don't have to.. because we decided we are not at the whims of nature, but the other way around. We are but the breach of consciousness, and it can only go upward from here. MDMA/MDA is but a aphrodiesact (spelling..?) to accelerate this realization, as is lsd, mescaline and all others besides meth haha. REC. DRUGS are something discovered that serve no purpose.. but that is life. Humans have no purpose beside that which we create. Such is the case with pills. They serve no purpose except that which the user creates. Most create an epic sense of creativity/connection with others, as to accelerate our already existing love. Love serves no purpose in life.. It's a choice we take because we don't want to let go. I for one would not want to let go of the memories of love.. it's what makes me different from the rest.. It serves no purpose in logical senses... but the passion i give it makes it tenfold of just surviving. The things that serve no purpose are the most important, because it's without purpose that makes us who we are. Freedom baby.. freedom. freedom. we are free. free. free. Have a nice day.
 
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"You don't need MDMA for love, openess and direction."...

...no, you're right - as a matter of fact, without love, openess and direction a pill trip can be less than a happy place to go. But, if you have these feelings of love and openness, why not drop a pill, and accentuate the ecstatic surge of emotions? Help your mind be consumed by these fleeting thrills? Experience the love with every ounce of your being, rather than just as an offhanded belief?

Don't assume that by taking pills we are unable to be happy in our everyday lives as mother, brother, sister, lover - on the contrary; when rolling, i love to write, about the depth of my love - i can find words that normally drift away before i have a chance to make them real. I find a clear idea is muddied by my words...and yet when i roll, and write, then read it back when i'm coming down or straight, it takes me to a place innaccesible in normal circumstances. I'm not inept - i'm consumed by mundane chores, and my obligations to work and society. Rolling unlocks the door to the deepest, most sacred part of myself; I use it to visit a part of me that hides under my skin, and if i didn't go there to let in the sun, it would wither and die. I love it there...it's where i worship all i hold dear - so tell me again, why don't i need MDMA?


...look, if you find that you are doing yourself a diservice by dropping, then by all means, don't - but please don't cheapen our experiences by claiming all we use it for is to feel love...


stop, drop and roll.

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Your thread title is quite silly.

Have you ever thought that maybe people DONT KNOW what open mindedness and loving freedom is before having taken MDMA?
 
*~*geNeRaTiOn E*~* said:
heh heh heh, i'm glad i re-opened this thread.
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You're glad you re-opened the thread, because it enticed flames to the poster (who asked you to re-open it)

Is that right? Let me read it again.

*~*geNeRaTiOn E*~* said:
heh heh heh, i'm glad i re-opened this thread.
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I would spend more time moaning, but i've given up my moderator ranting days. Life's too short. As long as bluelight don't pay you for your work, enjoy your little power trip you have there.

If you hadn't noticed I never posted the thread to be popular. Just to present a controversial opinion that has been developed for months.

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Have you ever thought that maybe people DONT KNOW what open mindedness and loving freedom is before having taken MDMA?
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Absolutly. And that's the point i'm making: people are becoming reliant on the drug, when they needn't.

I've been taking pills for the past 4 years, so I've been there too. It's taken me a long time to realise that shouldn't be the way, and thus my theory is formed.



and yet when i roll, and write, then read it back when i'm coming down or straight, it takes me to a place innaccesible in normal circumstances. I'm not inept - i'm consumed by mundane chores, and my obligations to work and society. Rolling unlocks the door to the deepest, most sacred part of myself; I use it to visit a part of me that hides under my skin, and if i didn't go there to let in the sun, it would wither and die. I love it there...it's where i worship all i hold dear - so tell me again, why don't i need MDMA?
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So we're getting the point now. In todays world we need MDMA to find our true spirituality.

I went to University recently. I noticed how every other student had decorated their rooms, and enjoying themselves. I found the whole thing mundane. The place wasn't a beautiful building where I will find direction. It was just a building where I had to work. There were lot's of new people, I didn't feel like loving them all. I felt like saying hello, and socialising started to become an effort.

I wonder if this is an occurance of 4 years moderate MDMA usage.

Oh and i've also had anxiety disorders and slurred speach.


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Here's a diagram:

Crap depressing world ---> Find love in a pill ----> Messed up head

When it should be

Beautiful world, filled with oppurtunity and love --->
find love in life, healthy eating, excercise, spirituality ---->
Feel rewarded, content and in much better mental health

Of course. The world isn't like this. It's crap and depressing, so you are more likely to crave MDMA.

But imagine this...

You can look past all the shiteness in your life, in this world... rise up, and enjoy yourself, rave to all hours, write beautiful literature by yourself, appreciate what you have and make the most of it.

For doing that. You'll earn a lot more respect.
 
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I'm not going to take offence to the fact that you say we need MDMA for our spirituality... Shamans use psychodelic drugs to transport them to the spirit plane. Witches use a 'flying ointment' made of toxics substances that they smear between their legs to travel to another dimesion. American Indians had their Peyote to help them find their totem animals. Tribes in the Amazon smoke narcotics to intitiate a new hunter from the young men....so obviously, sometimes we do need a little help to start us on the journey.

...so, what you're saying is that, even though our Ancestors thought it good and right that they draw close to the realm of Spirit by using mind altering substances, that we today are not worthy? Or perhaps you think that we are superior, and shouldn't need to reduce ourselves to a tradition that spans throughout history?...Hmmmmm....
 
^ If it can be attained by a healthy, sober mind. Then using narcotics would be an inferior and more damaging way to achieve this.
 
...Look, i admire the points you make, but let's face it, it's a Utopic ideal. If a state of indescribable bliss and perfection in love could be reached without drugs, i would be the biggest advocate. It can't - not to the degree you feel on MDMA. If it could, i wouldn't have spent $50, 000 on a drug habit spanning almost 12 years.

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saar_420 said:
You're glad you re-opened the thread, because it enticed flames to the poster (who asked you to re-open it)

Is that right? Let me read it again.



I would spend more time moaning, but i've given up my moderator ranting days. Life's too short. As long as bluelight don't pay you for your work, enjoy your little power trip you have there.

If you hadn't noticed I never posted the thread to be popular. Just to present a controversial opinion that has been developed for months.
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i re-opened the thread because i accepted your argument that it was "generating discussion," and because i think that anyone who comes here and posts a thread that does nothing but rant and complain, deserves a good assraping.

you are entitled to your opinions, yes, but you can't expect to come here and bitch about a topic that the majority of people are clearly against you on, and not get flamed but, as it turns out, i didn't see any.
 
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MDMA gave me an experience i probably wouldnt have felt for years to come, and cause of that i feel like a better person overall.
 
Raas is jaded leave the poor bugger alone, he made his statement which does warrant some good points.

I have no urge or need to take ecstasy, and im not a rat, Ill take it on occasion for an interesting night out. or for what ever reason i choose.

I think what raas is trying to say is that MDMA isnt the answer to problems, and by taking it your escaping your problems, and hes begun to believe due to excessive use that all the bad shit its casued him now that its evil.

I dont agree, but let the poor bugger explain his story without been shot down in flames..

Maybe suggest rewriting it so its not such a generlisation?
 
come on now.. i dunno if u had a bad roll or what... but yeah,,, that stuff is tru about dressing and socail anxienty and what have you... but they have the upper hand... all the "fakies" have the upper hand... and its so hard to get enough of us to overturn that... so e is where its at.. i personally cant sit around and wait for everyone to join hands and open our minds to light and peace as we should.. satan has his grasp on too many things... e takes me away and lets me know im gonna be ok.. nuttin wrong with it.. so yeah, lets roll people, lets roll!
 
I think its an interesting argument. But far too sweeping to hit the spot. Drugs are not, as some already have pointed out, evil or good. They are neutral. The human use of these substances make them constructive or destructive parts of our lives.

Theres nothing more boring than puritans. And the original poster seems severely affected by puritanism. Im sure most can agree that excessive use of ANY substance is bad for you. As for me i generally get along best with people that have been heavily emerged in the party scene but come out on the other side with a more mature approach to life.

When i go out to clubs and meet people i generally dont get much interesting conversation or feedback from the guys and girls rolling their heads off on the dancefloor. And i sometimes get a little disturbed by the exclusiveness of the E thing, to be able to get inside the group youll have to take the pill. But fuck that, im the same fun, social, nice guy when i go out sober (as in 95% of the nights). But its just the rules of the game i suppose.

But like i said, no point in getting puritan about it. Everyone (almost) that have tried MDMA will tell you that it helped them see, do or feel things they would have been unable to without chemichal aid. Im thankful for the insigths granted, and blame noone but myself for my fuckups along the way.
 
Almost every time I roll, I get this feeling, just a few minutes after the peak. That this stuff is evil. I guess my mind can't accept that everything is so good and so perfect and there's nothing bothering me. It says to itself "If it's so good, then it must be pure evil." I had these thoughts several times.

Before a few days, I was rolling on MDA. It was far more visual and vivid than MDMA. In the same moment I get these thoughts on MDMA, I got sth like a vision. It was a boy that was bending in the matternal pose, hiding in sth like a mouse-hole and was trembling for the moment where he'd have to go out of it. He knew what reality looks like and was scared shit going back in there. He preffered the mouse-hole.
Then I realised that the moment wasn't so special at all as I was feeling it before. It was just an ordinary day for the other people. And I wanted so much that everyone would be so happy like me this day.

However, I still had a great time, despite the depressive thoughts. If I have the opportunity, I'll still experiment with this chemical. I hope I will be able to do so. However, I'll never take it alone. If I have one pill, I'll give half to a friend, but would never roll alone.
 
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