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Maximizing Absorbtion and Length Of Peak

The hardest roll I ever had was with some crappy pills. But what i did was parachute the first one and an hour later i dissolved the second one under my tongue....mmmmmmmm

rolled hard and long
 
has anyone considered drinking the energy drinks like red bull and such to extend their peak? i find that it actually works, i dont know if it increases the dangers, but everyone around asia uses somthing called "extra joss" which is from indonesia, its meant to be powdered power drink that u mix in water, but what we do is dip our pinky in the sugar and have anice suck of that o so sweet sugar, then stik a lolly in our mouths.
 
Most likely your just getting a placebo effect from drinking the red bull. But it does have several vitamins in it which may help the comedown from your roll. Also I would think the caffeine would make you feel very jittery, but some people really enjoy the stimulant properties of MDMA and may enjoy the extra energy/buzz.
 
I think your best bet is to parachute and rail....parachuting 1 and railing 1 keeps me going strong all nite. Overall parachuting is the best.
 
One of the best threads EVER.

Entirely helpful (considering that I'm in the same predicament as the original post) and completely flame-free!

Threads like this make me want to start posting again... thumbs up for people who know how to mix good drugs and intelligent discussions. :)
 
first-pass metabolism is what happens when some of the drug gets metabolised in the liver on the "first-pass"through your system.

A large amount of the blood from the intestines goes straight to the liver before entering circulation -- its a mechanism your body has to protect you from toxins (or drugs :p)
 
First-pass metabolism affects different drugs quite differently, depending on how vulnerable they are to being broken down by the liver. Some medications are very easily broken down by the liver, making first-pass metabolism a major factor in determining how much of the drug will spread out to the rest of the body. MDMA however seems to be fairly resilient; although your liver would break down some of it before it had a chance to reach your brain, I don't believe the amount in question would be all that large.

Although non-oral methods of taking drugs (smoking, injecting, transdermal) can prevent the drug from having to face the liver right away, drugs will keep circulating through your system with the rest of your blood, so if the first pass through the liver doesn't break down a molecule of a drug, the tenth or thousandth pass still might.

There's understandably a lot of interest in how to get more milage out of what is still a pretty expensive drug in most parts of the world, but some proposed methods (interfering with drug breakdown by taking other drugs) sound like more trouble than they would be worth since it's hard to be quite sure how such drug combinations will affect you; you're adding a whole new set of side-effects and interactions. If you're really determined to try something different, the safest routes would likely be to snort the drug or shove it up your arse. (So rarely do you actually get to use that phrase literally.... :-)
 
1badrabbit said:
Also if someone was feeling the experience was too intense what would taking a benzo like valium do? Any interactions between the two or would it help calm the person down? [/B]
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Taking some valium will give u a totall loss of the high...it really kicks the MDMA away...

Also if u take benzo, even a few hours before rolling, the night is ruined...but I can only tell from me and my friends experiences...
 
So urinary alkalizers can extend duration of the peak? Sodium bicarbonate was mentioned but i imagine things like Ural would work even better? Are there any dangers associated with doing this?

Also, what will taking eg. an antacid or something that increases stomach pH do to the roll? I have read elsewhere that doing this increases the speed the pill comes up. Is there anything that will increase pH of both urine and stomach? Is there any point in increasing both, or just your urine?
 
The only real difference between sodium Bi Carb and Ural is the taste.

Increasing stomach pH doesn't really matter, because MDMA isn't absorbed there, it's absorbed in the small intestines, which is basic because of bile... so it doesn't matter there either. So it's just about urine (or really, the filtrate, its not urine till it gets out of the kidney, and once its out of the kidney, its too late).
 
BilZ0r said:
The only real difference between sodium Bi Carb and Ural is the taste.

Increasing stomach pH doesn't really matter, because MDMA isn't absorbed there, it's absorbed in the small intestines, which is basic because of bile... so it doesn't matter there either. So it's just about urine (or really, the filtrate, its not urine till it gets out of the kidney, and once its out of the kidney, its too late).
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by that same token would taking the antioxidant vitamin C increase acidity of the urine and therefore decrease the peak time? if so then i guess something basic would be necessary to take if you preload with vit C
 
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