Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

[✿Dai₷y✿]

Look at all the people that have no guns

 

[mal3volent]

i don't believe i even mentioned that...

Didn't say you did. You made a comment on the ineffectiveness of thoughts and prayers. So is what the other side is proposing. The overwhelming majority of gun deaths are suicide. The rate of gun related murders is actually less than or roughly equal to what it has been for many decades...

Conservatives want even more guns, liberals want to take some (or all) away. It won't matter unless we address the underlying cause for why people choose to use them. Why does it matter? Well because we're wasting time on a pointless debate that is further polarizing our society. It's almost like they want us to hate eachother .

 

[mal3volent]

i've been watching various media all day. there's been a ton of discussion about those kind of mental health issues.

if you're advocating for increased funding for mental health services, i totally agree.

Mental health is a separate issue. You don't have to be mentally ill in 2022 to feel apocalyptic levels of anger and hopelessness living in our world. Our society is so fractured, our culture so decayed that mass murder is a legitimate consideration in the mind of a 18 year old man just beginning his life.

It's not as simple as giving him a stronger background check (doesn't find 18 year olds who have no previous issues). Or making sure he only has a pistol instead of a rifle (the vast majority of gun deaths are from handguns).

At least those who come out and say yeah, we want to take away guns have a logical and clear stance. Decreasing the amount of guns in existence and making them illegal to sell would make it more difficult to obtain a gun. But as we all know here, making something illegal doesn't mean much. Not to mention there will literally be a small scale civil war if the government ever tries to confiscate guns.

 

[mal3volent]

Look at all the people that have no guns

The Australia talking point libs love to use is a bit disingenuous.

Think about it this way. Two renters see a roach in their kitchen one day. They both put out a bit of poison hoping to fix the problem. A month later, Apartment A is completely roach free while Apartment B is crawling with hundreds of them.

That's because the roach in Apartment A was by itself and crept in from outside. The roach in Apartment B was born in Apartment B. So was its parents and grandparents. There is a whole network and infrastructure of roaches in Apartment B. There's trash everywhere. The person who lives there is depressed and has been for decades, so they never clean. The landlord doesn't give a fuck either.

 

[hylite]

Good Morning !?

 

[hylite]

edit: I am still at the point of trying to suck back the welling tears in my eyes.
I haven't got past that yet. and the War. wtf anymore.

taking me too long to process sori icant ' yet.

 

[mal3volent]

I dunno @mal3volent, you already said you're off the Bernie train. Because it's the progressives who are the only ones who actually seem interested in the systemic change necessary to address the deep rooted issues of why "young men are so angry, immature, and hopeless."

I'm not off the train by choice. The train was hijacked and derailed by outside forces. The train is now unfortunately not reparable.

Yeah true progressives are interested in those things. Others just want to posture and fight meaningless battles, just like the right.

 

[Jabberwocky]

So yeah, he was a highschool student from across the street. Border patrol involvement was coincidental. Yet, of course, I see so many dumbasses making comments on the news like "We need to secure our borders!".

Just seems like the average troubled kid... but I guess the average troubled kid in the US becomes a mass murderer.



The gunman who fatally shot 19 children and two adults in a Texas elementary school was a high school senior who frequently missed school and struggled to get along with classmates, acquaintances said on Tuesday as they tried to make sense of the massacre.

The 18-year-old gunman, Salvador Ramos, who died at the scene, had few friends at Uvalde High School, his classmates said.

Jeremiah Munoz was a senior at the high school four years ago when he bonded with Mr. Ramos, then a freshman, over their shared love of video games, particularly Fortnite and Call of Duty. Mr. Munoz, 22, said that even back then, he recalled students picking on Mr. Ramos, deriding his clothes or making crude references to his mother or sister.
Charlie Marsh, a 17-year-old in the same grade as Mr. Ramos, said that she had heard people call him names, including a homophobic slur, but that she thought he was provoking people rather than being bullied.
Over the weekend, Mr. Ramos had sent a photograph of two black rifles to Mr. Munoz, similar to one he had posted on his Instagram account.
Graduating seniors from Uvalde High School had visited the elementary school on Monday and high-fived the students, who are in second through fourth grade, as part of the high school’s senior week. One student who participated said on social media that Mr. Ramos had not attended.

Mr. Munoz said that when he played Xbox with Mr. Ramos, he would often hear him arguing with his mother through the microphone. Mr. Ramos’s mother would scream at him, telling him that he needed to go to school and that he was doing nothing with his life, Mr. Munoz said, and Mr. Ramos would yell back, calling her expletives.
He would often leave his mother’s home and stay with his grandmother for several days after a big fight, Mr. Munoz said, and in the past year it seemed that he was spending even more time at his grandmother’s home. The authorities have said that Mr. Ramos’s grandmother was shot before he crashed a pickup truck near the elementary school, which was about a half-mile from her home, and killed the children and adults.
Several people who followed Mr. Ramos on Instagram said they had first met him on websites designed to connect strangers, including Yubo, an app that lets people livestream videos of themselves and markets itself as a way to “get friends.” One woman said she had connected with Mr. Ramos and a friend of his on Omegle, a website where people video chat with strangers. The woman said he had once livestreamed himself holding a gun with blood visible on the floor, claiming that he had a nosebleed.
Ms. Marsh said that Mr. Ramos had hardly shown up to their shared fourth-period class this year, but that she saw him working at a Wendy’s in town about two months ago. The night manager there said that Mr. Ramos went out of his way to keep to himself.
“You know how my guys talk to each other and are friendly?” Adrian Mendez, the night manager, said on Tuesday evening as he motioned to two employees. “He wasn’t like that.”

 

[hylite]

I am listening to the san antonio news and they are saying his mom might have been a teacher at that school at one time . . . . .

but know one really knows all of the details yet.

It was premeditated though because he had on body armor !!!!!!! and that's how he was able to peg a couple of the police officers because it
seems they always aim for the chest.

so remember Head Shots

oh and the woai is saying that the grandma is still alive but in critical condition.

but no one really knows everything just yet.

thank you for your help always .

SAD

 

[neversickanymore]

While resource officers are common in a lot of urban school districts, the rural ones prolly don't even have the funding. Small towns don't have much shit going on, which unfortunately this small town got caught with their pants down.

I don't think arming teachers will do anything but make problems worse. They are already overworked and putting that kind of responsibility on their shoulders seems like a recipe for disaster. If a school district can afford to raise the pay and properly train teachers on safe usage and marksmanship, they might as well just hire that resource officer.

A lot of urban schools lock their doors during the day and you have to buzz in on camera to gain entry. Once again, it's prolly more of a funding issue than anything.

Decent exploration on arming Teachers.. it’s by fkn Rand though.

The Effects of Laws Allowing Armed Staff in K–12 Schools

Analysis of the impact of gun regulation in K–12 schools on gun-related outcomes in the United States

www.rand.org

 

[Jen X]

Mental health resources are getting spread thin here in Canada. Someone in the USA who's poor don't seem to really have any help. Guns are not the issue.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Salvador Ramos Cut His Face for Fun, Would Shoot People With BB Gun—Friend

A portrait has begun to emerge of an increasingly angry teenager who had experienced severe bullying and had a fractured home life.

www.newsweek.com

totally a mental health issue....almost every incident is....it's like the lid is off the crazy pot in this country


ya have to answer the question of why we're the only country in the world that has this happening


but it never gets answered

 

[mal3volent]

Salvador Ramos Cut His Face for Fun, Would Shoot People With BB Gun—Friend

A portrait has begun to emerge of an increasingly angry teenager who had experienced severe bullying and had a fractured home life.

www.newsweek.com

totally a mental health issue....almost every incident is....it's like the lid is off the crazy pot in this country


ya have to answer the question of why we're the only country in the world that has this happening


but it never gets answered

Shitty education system and atrocious parenting. non existent mental health care.

 

[Electrum1]

Our prison system sucks. Look at that ~25 year old that shot the Goldman Sachs guy in NY on the Subway. He had like 20 prior charges, one for attempted murder where he got sentenced to 3 years but got out in 4 months. That is the kind of person that prisons are supposed to be filled with instead of drug offenders, but prosecutors/judges/da's let these people out right away with no bail.

 

[AbbeyLee]

We don't even hear much about mass shootings in the US anymore, and when we do everyone goes "ho hum".

The US has a "gun culture" ie. The Wild West. I'm convinced stricter gun control would be a step in the right direction, but I don't know. The right to bear arms is so ingrained. I've only ever *seen* a real gun on policemen.

 

[neversickanymore]

Salvador Ramos Cut His Face for Fun, Would Shoot People With BB Gun—Friend

A portrait has begun to emerge of an increasingly angry teenager who had experienced severe bullying and had a fractured home life.

www.newsweek.com

totally a mental health issue....almost every incident is....it's like the lid is off the crazy pot in this country


ya have to answer the question of why we're the only country in the world that has this happening


but it never gets answered

The US isn't the only place..

Mass Shootings by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[mal3volent]

The US isn't the only place..

Mass Shootings by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

damn...what's going on with France and Norway? Less people than us but almost just as many gun deaths this year!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

What sort of sick and twisted society allows an 18 year old to buy automatic rifles, but makes that 18 year old wait another three years before he can buy a fuckin beer??

 

[Electrum1]

We don't even hear much about mass shootings in the US anymore, and when we do everyone goes "ho hum".

The US has a "gun culture" ie. The Wild West. I'm convinced stricter gun control would be a step in the right direction, but I don't know. The right to bear arms is so ingrained. I've only ever *seen* a real gun on policemen.

Idk if more gun control would do anything good. Guns are the same as they were 70 years ago when there weren't lots of school shootings, so something changed in society imo. There are people still alive that lived in a society where you could take your gun to school for the shooting club. So something else besides guns is causing the current issue imo

 

[mal3volent]

What sort of sick and twisted society allows an 18 year old to buy automatic rifles, but makes that 18 year old wait another three years before he can buy a fuckin beer??

the same one that ships the 18 year old to Iraq to die before they can buy a beer.