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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Mr. Krinkle said:
they don't have any rednecks in those states - that's the common denominator
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Lol, rednecks are everywhere. Hillbillies are localized to Appalachia though. That's my interpretation of the definition anyway.

Yeah, like I said before, for me the clear indicator of everything is the difference between MD & WV. There's more city shit in MD, and obviously Baltimore is a massive hub for street crime and violence. And while it's hard to get a handgun in MD, they're basically bestowed at birth in WV, over half the population has one. There's a lot of gun violence still in MD, but after looking at this chart, it appears gun death per capita is still higher in WV (there are probably more unreported gun owners in MD, obviously).

Idk, it's not a straightforward answer or a one size fits all problem.
 
Self inflicted needs to be removed from the equation....


Did they say where this kid got the gun yet?

just make it as difficult as possible to obtain these guns - that's always been my resolution to a lot of this and im sticking to it
 
Canadians usually don't buy handguns. Mainly people buy hunting rifles . The only gun crime we have is usually gangs with non legal guns from good ole murica.

The USA has a 1/2 billion people so it would be interesting to see the stats with countries of the same size.
 
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Ben Shapiro writing out an entire paragraph while also saying literally nothing... such a tool

but I guess it just sums up everything that will follow this incident in a pretty good way. Nothing.

And Abbot is going to be speaking at an NRA rally in a few days. :) so cute
 
Snafu in the Void said:
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Ben Shapiro writing out an entire paragraph while also saying literally nothing... such a tool

but I guess it just sums up everything that will follow this incident in a pretty good way. Nothing.

And Abbot is going to be speaking at an NRA rally in a few days. :) so cute
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He’s not wrong…more laws for the shooter to break, not stop him
 
Las Veghost grower said:
He’s not wrong…more laws for the shooter to break, not stop him
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it's an overly vague statement and there is "no evidence to support it" because it hasn't been tried before, we haven't tried new things... but that's not my point

my point was he's just saying overly obvious shit without giving any sort of potential solution, he's just sucking up to his fan base

he's a huge tool and always has been
 
Snafu in the Void said:
it's an overly vague statement and there is "no evidence to support it" because it hasn't been tried before, we haven't tried new things... but that's not my point

my point was he's just saying overly obvious shit without giving any sort of potential solution, he's just sucking up to his fan base

he's a huge tool and always has been
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I think he’s saying more laws arnt the answer since if someone is willing to commit murder then they will break any gun law..what do you suggest we try ?
 
Electrum1 said:

History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics

1700s The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed...
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We should start a memorial for all the people and children who have died in mass shootings. Something like the Vietnam memorial.

All the people who have laid down their lives in defense of the 2nd amendment freedom :unsure:

So people don't forget a week later...


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F.U.B.A.R. said:
What sort of sick and twisted society allows an 18 year old to buy automatic rifles, but makes that 18 year old wait another three years before he can buy a fuckin beer??
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Agreed. People scream and rant about any sort of suggestion that we should improve our gun control laws. It's being framed as "they're gonna take our guns", but most people are not trying to suggest that at all. We just need to have more regulation. Well adjusted adults should be able to buy guns, and they can. The problem is, there are so many loopholes it's laughable. Gun shows where no background checks or anything at all are required. Why is anyone against a background check? Why is it that a disturbed kid who was making Facebook posts threatening to shoot his grandma and shoot up a school could walk into a gun store and buy a gun? That's absurd.

I agree guns aren't the problem, the problem is our society and the sickness that is spreading through it. The problem is mental health. 99.99% of all gun owners will never shoot anyone with it, and don't wish to. Those people should be allowed to have guns. Suggesting that we do more extensive background checking on prospective buyers is sensible. We know that we have a bunch of disturbed kids (mostly kids) who want to shoot up schools and shit. With even a simple level of checking, this kid could have been identified as someone who should not be given a gun. But a whole lot of people are so afraid that any legislation at all means that the government is going to come to their door and take their guns away, that any suggestion is taken as an attempt to disarm us for nefarious purposes.

Guns aren't the problem, but we owe it to ourselves to try a little harder to prevent these things from happening. It is absurd that that kid was allowed to buy a gun, absurd that anyone can buy any sort of gun they please with little to no checking into them. I mean this guy was publicly stating on social media that he planned to shoot up that school.
 
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When I said we don't hear much about mass shootings in the US anymore (and when we do we're blasé) I didn't know about the latest one.

Russell Brand has some very wise words (I don't)..



..I am seeking to understand how a culture can generate such trauma and misery with such alarming regularity..

We’ve seen in the pandemic that you can radically alter society overnight; when there is a germ threat or when there is a terror threat.

I say now we live under constant threat, a psychic threat.. A kind of a bio-horror of existence. Where a significant number of people are living a life of absolute desperation, and the consequence is that once in a while someone emerges and does something so ugly, so unimaginable, so cruel and so ghastly that we’re forced as a culture to look at the event and at ourselves.




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Xorkoth said:
Agreed. People scream and rant about any sort of suggestion that we should improve our gun control laws. It's being framed as "they're gonna take our guns", but most people are not trying to suggest that at all. We just need to have more regulation. Well adjusted adults should be able to buy guns, and they can. The problem is, there are so many loopholes it's laughable. Gun shows where no background checks or anything at all are required. Why is anyone against a background check? Why is it that a disturbed kid who was making Facebook posts threatening to shoot his grandma and shoot up a school could walk into a gun store and buy a gun? That's absurd.

I agree guns aren't the problem, the problem is our society and the sickness that is spreading through it. The problem is mental health. 99.99% of all gun owners will never shoot anyone with it, and don't wish to. Those people should be allowed to have guns. Suggesting that we do more extensive background checking on prospective buyers is sensible. We know that we have a bunch of disturbed kids (mostly kids) who want to shoot up schools and shit. With even a simple level of checking, this kid could have been identified as someone who should not be given a gun. But a whole lot of people are so afraid that any legislation at all means that the government is going to come to their door and take their guns away, that any suggestion is taken as an attempt to disarm us for nefarious purposes.

Guns aren't the problem, but we owe it to ourselves to try a little harder to prevent these things from happening. It is absurd that that kid was allowed to buy a gun, absurd that anyone can buy any sort of gun they please with little to no checking into them. I mean this guy was publicly stating on social media that he planned to shoot up that school.
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What gun shows don’t require a background check? Iv been to many many gun shows and never seen someone buy a gun no background check required..I assume your thinking of a private sale ? Most of which don’t happen at gun shows..but yes I think anytime a gun changed hands there should be a procedure the same as a sale from a licensed seller
 
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Xorkoth said:
Agreed. People scream and rant about any sort of suggestion that we should improve our gun control laws. It's being framed as "they're gonna take our guns", but most people are not trying to suggest that at all. We just need to have more regulation. Well adjusted adults should be able to buy guns, and they can. The problem is, there are so many loopholes it's laughable. Gun shows where no background checks or anything at all are required. Why is anyone against a background check? Why is it that a disturbed kid who was making Facebook posts threatening to shoot his grandma and shoot up a school could walk into a gun store and buy a gun? That's absurd.

I agree guns aren't the problem, the problem is our society and the sickness that is spreading through it. The problem is mental health. 99.99% of all gun owners will never shoot anyone with it, and don't wish to. Those people should be allowed to have guns. Suggesting that we do more extensive background checking on prospective buyers is sensible. We know that we have a bunch of disturbed kids (mostly kids) who want to shoot up schools and shit. With even a simple level of checking, this kid could have been identified as someone who should not be given a gun. But a whole lot of people are so afraid that any legislation at all means that the government is going to come to their door and take their guns away, that any suggestion is taken as an attempt to disarm us for nefarious purposes.

Guns aren't the problem, but we owe it to ourselves to try a little harder to prevent these things from happening. It is absurd that that kid was allowed to buy a gun, absurd that anyone can buy any sort of gun they please with little to no checking into them. I mean this guy was publicly stating on social media that he planned to shoot up that school.
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While I agree with most of this post, as a person with mental illness I will argue that 99.99% of mentally ill people are harmless to society and keep their heads down and just want to live their lives and be left alone. I know the fad in the MSM and amongst conservatives is to blame it all on mental illness. Well being an evil sadistic fuck is not always a symptom of mental illness. I'm not saying some mass murderers aren't also mentally ill, but it prolly looks more like a venn diagram with a small sliver of overlap in the middle.

And even if it could all be attributed to mental illness, which conservatives making this claim have EVER voted for universal healthcare or anything that even remotely resembles widespread affordable therapy for psychiatric (or physical) ailments? I'll wait patiently for an answer....

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Jerry Atrick said:
Aww, wassamatta, you don't like my "left wing talking points?"

As for the "get them if they want" comment. Who but "right wingers" say things like that, as if nothing can be done to stop or at least curtail mass shootings? Not calling you a right winger but the way you are talking is, well, quack quack.

You may be through but you don't get to decide when I'm through.
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Considering left wing/anarchists/socialist people/groups in america also say the "get them if they want" comment saying it hardly makes someone a right winger.
 
mal3volent said:
The Australia talking point libs love to use is a bit disingenuous.

Think about it this way. Two renters see a roach in their kitchen one day. They both put out a bit of poison hoping to fix the problem. A month later, Apartment A is completely roach free while Apartment B is crawling with hundreds of them.

That's because the roach in Apartment A was by itself and crept in from outside. The roach in Apartment B was born in Apartment B. So was its parents and grandparents. There is a whole network and infrastructure of roaches in Apartment B. There's trash everywhere. The person who lives there is depressed and has been for decades, so they never clean. The landlord doesn't give a fuck either.
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Don't forget about the homemade Perfectly Constructed MAC-10 Submachine Guns we have people making in Australia.

 
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