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CIA Killed JFK

DarthMom said:
But it isn't so far fetched when you hear about something like operation northwoods.

General Lyman Lemnitzer, who served on a committee with Ronald Reagan (before he became president) and developed Operation Northwoods, was a 33 degree Mason!

OPERATION NORTWHOODS:



Plan by General Lyman Lemnitzer et al to kill Americans and blame it on Cuba to get US into war to
overthrow Castro. Lemnitzer served on Rockefeller Committee to cover up assassination by Hunt
and Sturgis.
From: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html



Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban emigres, sinking
boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in
U.S. cities.



The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust
Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.



America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in
Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national
indignation." Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James
Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected
to the agency, he notes. The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President
Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and
have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. "These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for
so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.



"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the
military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants. The documents show "the Joint
Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes
Bamford. The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an
American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show. Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they
wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof; that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]." The plans were
motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first
communist leader in the Western Hemisphere -- only 90 miles from U.S. shores.



The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not
allowed to provide firepower. The military leaders now wanted a shot at it." The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford,
noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the
Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro. Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing
prolonged military not democratic control over the island nation after the invasion. "That's what we're supposed to be freeing
them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over
the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."



The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans
in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether
the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told
Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months,
Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.



The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in
the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time,
however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds. There were reports U.S.
military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election. And at least two popular books were
published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate
Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger"
in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an
examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.
"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over
the edge."



Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963. One idea
was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to
pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base -- an act, which Bamford notes,
would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot
down as a pretext for a war." There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never
succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.



Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film "JFK," which examined the
possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. As public interest in the assassination swelled after
"JFK's" release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the
assassination. The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents. Afraid of a congressional investigation,
Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these
remained. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.


http://www.666ismoney.com/JFKWEB.html
 
Not to really get into this, but why don't people start disputing the facts of 666's claims. Go after the details that support his arguements.. instead of labeling it a conspiracy theory and rolling your eyes? Alot more would be served by that...
 
DigitalDuality said:
Not to really get into this, but why don't people start disputing the facts of 666's claims. Go after the details that support his arguements.. instead of labeling it a conspiracy theory and rolling your eyes? Alot more would be served by that...

just so you know, we've been over it ad infinitum already. she is hinging her claims on authors that have been thoroughly discredited - discounting thousands of eyewitness testimonies and myriads of confessions, not to mention every available fact. she has been warned to not drag every topic into the same discussion and i'm sure i will now occupy a place of honor on her kook website about how i am censoring her right to free speech. so be it.
 
You'll be declared a bigot like those people from University of Arizona. I wonder which power centers forced you to suppress of this free spirit? ;)
 
Anybody interested in freemasonry should read theHiram Key and its subsequent sequals... A fascinating look at the real histroy of masonry, written by freemasons so its not 'freemasons are satanists' type conspiracy. Common threads in their rituals can be traced back to the time of jesus and beyond, it made my head spin reading it.
 
EXPOSÉ: THE “CHRISTIAN” MAFIA by Wayne Madsen

================
Where Those Who Now Run the U.S. Government Came From and Where They
Are Taking Us



By Wayne Madsen


Part I


After several months of in-depth research and, at first, seemingly
unrelated conversations with former high-level intelligence officials,
lawyers, politicians, religious figures, other investigative
journalists, and researchers, I can now report on a criminal
conspiracy so vast and monstrous it defies imagination. Using
"Christian" groups as tax-exempt and cleverly camouflaged covers,
wealthy right-wing businessmen and "clergy" have now assumed firm
control over the biggest prize of all – the government of the United
States of America. First, some housekeeping is in order. My use of the
term "Christian" is merely to clearly identify the criminal
conspirators who have chosen to misuse their self-avowed devotion to
Jesus Christ to advance a very un-Christian agenda. The term
"Christian Mafia" is what several Washington politicians have termed
the major conspirators and it is not intended to debase Christians or
infer that they are criminals . I will also use the term Nazi – not
for shock value – but to properly tag the political affiliations of
the early founders of the so-called "Christian" power cult called the
Fellowship. The most important element of this story is that a
destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control
over the machinery of government of the United States – its executive,
its legislature, several state governments, and soon, the federal
judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court.



The United States has experienced religious and cult hucksters
throughout its history, from Cotton Mather and his Salem witch burners
to Billy Sunday, Father Charles Coughlin, Charles Manson, Jim Jones,
David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, and others. But none have ever
achieved the kind of power now possessed by a powerful and secretive
group of conservative politicians and wealthy businessmen in the
United States and abroad who are known among their adherents and
friends as The Fellowship or The Family. The Fellowship and its
predecessor organizations have used Jesus in the same way that
McDonald's uses golden arches and Coca Cola uses its stylized script
lettering. Jesus is a logo and a slogan for the Fellowship. Jesus is
used to justify the Fellowship's access to the highest levels of
government and business in the same way Santa Claus entices children
into department stores and malls during the Christmas shopping season.


more...

http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm
 
she has been warned to not drag every topic into the same discussion and i'm sure i will now occupy a place of honor on her kook website about how i am censoring her right to free speech. so be it.

Michael, your place of honor on that site has been established!
 
I for one believe that you are completely ignorant if you don't believe in some kind of manipulative stronghold in the world and it's nations.

I think the proof is clear as day, every day.

I am not anti-semite, however I have a friend who seems to have a lot of 'evidence' denying the holocaust.

I do think that Nazi Germany did in fact kill many people, Jews, Gypsies, and whathaveyou.

However, were the Native Americans not the 'savages' we almost wiped out, just 200 years before? I'm sorry, but countries will only help another country, or people out, if it is also helping themselves. Think about what happened after WWII with germany. The two dominant world powers, Russia and the United States cut germany in half.

The social programs that made America what it was today, and probably what caused the fall of the Soviet Union, were in fact programs thought of and implemented by the Nazis. Social Security was a Nazi idea. Interstate high ways were also Nazi ideas.

Germany was simply ripe and ready to be plucked at the time. We saw an uprising and already powerful country forcing itself to the top. We intervened.

The Jews, by the way, have written history of the past 60 or more years. The history books you read in school, yea, they were written by Jews. The Fox News network-Jewish. (notice also their positioning of camera angles in the the most recent State of the Union, it forms a star of david with the president as the top point of the star, his tie-point, is the bottom point.. Cheny and the other dude are in proportion, behind him, to fill out the sides. Connect the dots, you have a near-perfect Star of David.

It is a symbol that humans subconsciously recognize as important, and powerful... simply because it is contained in our very selves, down to our DNA.

Governments are aware, or those who bring the government to us are aware... of what makes us aware of what.

Puppets.

anyways.. enough with the conspiracy-fodder.

I just want to add one last thing.

Jews do have a superiority complex. I went to Indiana University, which is full of Jewish people. I'm not saying every single one is like this. But they definately think that 'they're god's children'.

Even the white-adopted Christian Bible says the Jews are God's chosen ones.

__________

And the fact that we support them no matter what in Israel.

I can't believe people don't see the strings.

Maybe I'm just insane.

*The middle east*

way to go followers.


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Hitler may have been wrong in what he did. But everyone that's wrong, is not always completely wrong.

Pay attention. Ask yourself what you would do.

On all sides.
 
LEARN YOUR HISTORY

EVERYTHING INSIDE, YOU ARE A DUMBASS!!!!

The holocaust claimes 11 miliion non-comabtant lives. 6 million were jews.

IF ISRAEL HAD IT SO GOOD THEN WHY IS THE ECONOMY IN COMPLETE SHIT RIGHT NOW.. WE ARE THE MOST CHARITABLE PEOPLE TO OUR POOR BUT THERE ARE STARVING PEOPLE IN THE LAND!!!!!!!

ISRAEL IS CONTROLED BY THE U.S. TAKE DESERT STORM, SADAM LAUNCHES 39 SCUD MISSLES AT ISRAEL (w/ the help of god even though scids were falling every where in densky populate areas, the only fatality was from an old guy having a heart atack) THE US TELL ISRAEL TO STAY OUT OF IT EVEN THOUGH WHAT SADDAM DID.

THATS WHY ISRAEL SPIED OF THE PENTAGON FOR THEIR POLICY TOWARD IRAN. THE U.S IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL..

AND WHAT YOU CALL A SUPERIORITY COMPLEX I CALL SOME OF THE GREATEST MINDS TO EVER BE BORN. 3 OF THE 4 noble prize winners in science this past year were jewish. 2 from ISRAEL. EINSTEIN, and the list goes on... JEWS WERE EVEN THE ONLY LAWYERS TO DEFEND BLACKS FOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS IN THE 50's.

JEWS HAVE BEEN PERSECUTED FOR 2,000 years (SPANISH, BRITISH, GERMAN, PORTUGEESE, DUTCH, ROMANS, ASYRIANS, GREEKS, BABOLNIANS, PERSIANS, and the list goes on) YET WE ARE STILL HERE (BARUCH HASHEM)

I dunno where ur antisemetic sentement comes from but, i wanna knwo where a deuch like you feels threatened by A PEOPLE WHO ARE A MARGIN OF ERROR OF THE WORLD POPULATION. 2.2 billion christians out there, 1 billion atheists, and 16 million jews.

FOR SUCH A TINY PEOPLE WE SURE HAVE DOEN A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE WORLD. DON't YOU DARE FORGET THAT!
 
^^^ I agree with you about the 'greatest' minds. And no doubt, I do believe the Jews have contributed more than their share to the world, through minds like Einstein, and others.

I have nothing against Jews, myself.

I am just stating one perception I've been fed over the past couple months. I guess I feel the need to open myself to all the things we're taught and to analyzing every detail. I am not blaming anything for anything. However I do know that Jews have a lot of power in the US, as well.

I do not agree with you there, about the US controlling Israel. Israel wouldn't be Israel if it wasn't for the 'Allies' in World War II.

Think about that section of land you occupy. Heritage or not. It shouldn't be something we war over.

Thanks for the rant back, although I didn't quite read it all.

Oh yeah, Edison was white (racist slur).

All I'm saying is there is a natural fear of things different with people. Hitler was an extremist in his ideas but that is because of the threat he perceived. Germany being overun by non-germans. Think about it. Would America like to have nothing but Black people in office? I mean, I think we would, and could get to that point. But the point is you have people growing up in diverse mediums which bring about diverse people, as well as their fears.

I believe the Jews are intimidating, I happen to be attracted to Jewish girls almost moreso than my own 'kind'.... sometimes.

They are smart, and a lot of times beautiful (but what race isn't)... but they're a little different. Just like the anglos are a little different from the middle easterners..

It's all a big spectrum really.

You took me completely wrong. I was just stating facts. History has been controlled by Jewish 'companies' through their media of textbooks...

I remember reading about WWII and Hitler more than any other subject, except perhaps the American Revolution.

The chapter with the slaughter of Native Americans was short, if not missing...

tell me... where do you hear their cries?

An entire geographic area, almost wiped and replaced.

It's something that happens... the only mistake that can be made is forgetting how it happens.

and that's history for you.
 
I remind people that almost all of the Holocaust deniers "evidence" has been proven horribly false, there are lots of incredibly convincing arguments against it happening based around flawed math and logic.
 
text books

i have taken quite a few highschool and college world history classes.
for the 850 years the jews occupied Israel before the Babolonian exile, there was one grey area box explaining it. the jews occupied israel before the romans for another 400 years. that is over 1 milenia of history but no book on world history (of the 4 i've seen) makes more then a page devoted to 1 millienia of an ancient society who was the for runner of fair codifide law..

the reason why the native american's are excluded from the books is because it is written by western thought.
WESTERN, christian (take the concept of A.D and B.C) thought is what spurned the aryian invasion theory for india because they couldn't handle the fact that indians advanced as dark people.

WESTERN, christian thought denied NUBIA a black civilization the rigth to be deemed the first known ancient civilization.

Western, Christian thought wants you to realise world war II and the holocaust were stopped by America. IT wants to paint it's self as the victor and hero. actualy the u.s (roosevelt) knew damn well abotu the holocaust and did nothing. he coulda bombed the camps and ended it but he didn't cause it was not tacticaly efficient. Roosevelt began the real conspiracies.

So in sumation
a) textbooks are written by the victors (history= his story) and America is the victor not the jews.
b)What hitler did was ridiculous and thats why it is so publicized
c) WHY THE FUCK DOES CAPS LOCK OFFEND YOU..
 
hmm, yeah you can talk and talk man. Caps LOCKS doesn't offend me, probably not many others. It's just kinda hard to read, just like it's hard to listen to someone who's yelling. So much space is taken up with this emotional sound, most people feel the need to filter.

therefore, most people probably skipped your first attack, jumping at the idea that I put out and calling me anti-semite.

Hitler and the Nazi party were very racist. They felt threatened by the 'Jewish Invasion' into the German frame of life. They saw a people that came from orthodox ways, which would not conform to their way. I don't claim to know the whole story. However I am only saying it is not much different from any other story in the world.

How many times, at least going by the actual factor of what happened, do you think someone has killed, regardless of (race), because of a perceived threat that was manifested within the victim or generalized victims? Many times.

Hitler saw the strength of the Jewish people. He saw how they effectively ran business and how many were adept at the sciences. He saw how their blood was pure, and was remaining pure, through interbreeding within class and whatnot... Jewish people (orthodox) were strictly forbidden to marry outside of the Jewish blood.

It was simple. Hitler saw what the Jews were doing. They were effectively on a path to run Germany.

Would an American want a Cuban born to be President? Probably not the majority.

Would the U.K. like it if they were being overun in their countries governing factors by Frenchmen? I don't think so. Look at how England relates with the E.U.

At least not in the area I occupy, which is part of Dumbfuckistan, the evangalistic block that occupies this nation.

White Christian Americans!

getem!!! save them from themselves!!! yea that's it!.. getem..

Get my point?

Hitler devised a strategy to combat this 'invasion' of a foreign policy. That strategy was to unite the German people against this foreign people... with his own idea of 'pure, noble blood'.

That was the Aryian Race. If I even spelled it right...

In my eyes, it was merely a threat that Hitler (among other anti-semites) adapted to. However, some of us have a hard time adapting. Look at the world condition today. We're fighting wars over oil to keep our shit burning... while the icey regions of the world are reaching record highs and the US is threatened by lawsuit because of it's ways of dealing with it.

the world's about to end, it's on fire, it's unstable... what's the closest thing to water?" the human asks... "ah ha!! this black stuff kinda feels like water, a little 'oily' though"

and here we go

I believe that within the parameter of the situation, you can understand. Every thing has at one time been persecuted. Christians are now among those persecuted. Muslims are among those persecuted. Blacks are persecuted. Whites (believe it or not) are being persecuted more and more.

Of course, Jewish people are also persecuted.

But no, I don't feel sorry for you. I didn't do any of it, nor would I ever do anything like that or even feel the want or need to.

It's not our job to feel sorry for you or anyone. It's not yours to feel sorry for me. The past is past. There is no major threat to you besides for the enemies you have made. This applies to all sides. Now is the situation to understand. Why are you still out calling people anti-semite.

It is a shakey subject, trust me, I know.

However, I think it should be addressed, certain issues, however your reaction may be.
 
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You were implying that jews own the media, and government. I am tellign you that you are wrong. You have no proof. I called you an anti-semite because:

"Jews, by the way, have written history of the past 60 or more years. The history books you read in school, yea, they were written by Jews. The Fox News network-Jewish. (notice also their positioning of camera angles in the the most recent State of the Union, it forms a star of david with the president as the top point of the star, his tie-point, is the bottom point.. Cheny and the other dude are in proportion, behind him, to fill out the sides. Connect the dots, you have a near-perfect Star of David."

and you said u understood hitlers message. what crap is that.

You said natzi germany had an influx of jews takind over... taking over al they wanted was to assimilate (thats why god caused the holocaust). They had been kicked outa every country since then. inquisition after inquisition, the only people who even toleratewd them were arabs (ironic is it).

you say chrstians and whites are being persecuted.. where are they being persecuted, in Iraq or Iran.. what are you saying.. christians have owned a good portion of the world forever. it was christan france, spain and anglo england that had all of the arab and african world colonized no less then 50 years ago.

and the poor native american, i agree with you, but rome did the same to countless other civilizations, the conquistadors wiped out central and south american culture and most of their people. Why you gonna say the Jew is any different or single us out to imply that we are controling you. Give it up. ALL WE WANT IS THE RIGHT TO EXIST WITHOUT THE "GOYIM" PLOTTING AGAINST US. the term goyim only came about because we had to close ourselves down to escape persecution and if u don't wanna be a goy in my eyes be tolerate. cause for fucks sake we've never been anything but tolerate.


YOU NEED TO LEARN YOUR HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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