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Marijuana culture. ("420")

have you smoked with a family member?

  • Yes

    Votes: 341 67.7%
  • No, my family sucks

    Votes: 163 32.3%

  • Total voters
    504
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
You're an idiot. Besides you're an idiot for thinking this is, you're also literally an idiot when compared to a cop.

Cops do this job every day. They pull over hundreds of people, run thousands of license plates, et cetera. There is not a single 'stash spot' in a car that a police officer hasn't heard of already. To think you are more clever than a cop is to be a fool. They do this job 40+ hour a week. How many hours a week do you spend solely devoted to how to best conceal drugs in a car?

Cops know the game much better than you. You're an idiot if you think a cop doesn't know the airbag or airvents stunts, among many others.

i was simpy telling him good spots that hardly ever get raided took me about one second to think of each
are you telling me your not clever enough to hide drugs when getting pulled over by police? or u act paranoid and they do a full on search every time? i always keep my weed in the baggie n shove it down my boxers b4 i pull over..
ive had a copper that let me keep my last joint and some that have searched every corner off it entirly depends on da situation when your car is known for drugs on there system u get pulled when theres a car with a license plate camera behind anway

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TheodoreRoosevelt said:
There tends to be an elitism about psychonauts that is not found in users of other drugs. They proclaim enlightenment and all sorts of, quite frankly, bullshit, that comes only from using their drug, MDMA, LSD, ketamine, et cetera. Psychedelic drug use doesn't do much to alter your mind in a way that couldn't be done in other ways, and I think that people who do claim altered perspectives from drug use had predispositions to change their perspective beforehand.

I mean really, what useful things has anyone gleaned from psychedelic drug use? Now, I'm not knocking their power, I personally have tripped acid hundreds of times. If you can withstand a strong acid trip, you can take anything that the week's doledrums can throw at you. But the idea that somehow you got insights that can't be ahieved any other way is extremely myopic, which, I think, perfectly describes psychonauts in general.

I definitely can see how you might interpret an elitist image of psychonauts, but i think that it might be more that psychonauts are not just taking drugs for escape or hedonistic pleasure, and these drugs do not produce addiction and ruining your life as well as the lives of the people around you is not very typical, unlike almost all other drugs which could be called recreational. I think many people feel that these substances differences as well as the differences in what a user seeks to gain from said drugs is what creates a certain separation.

Secondly i do not think it is any of your business to judge how valuable a substance is to anyone other than yourself. Nor is it your place to dispute the fact that many gain useful insights from psychedelic drug exploration.

Finally you spoke about how psychedelic drugs are not the only way to change your perspective. You are correct! But simply put psychadelic drugs are the quickest and safest ways to do this. Sure you could spend 40+ years of your life meditating, or you could flagellate yourself, or suspend yourself from hooks in your back, possibly deprive yourself of sleep, maybe dance in a rhythmic pattern till trance ensues or starve yourself.

OR you could take a tiny square of paper and wait and hour and be back in 8-12.

Where in the world did you get the idea that one method is any more valid than the next?

I think everyone just needs to learn: If its not you and it is not negatively effecting you, its non of your business!

But what does peace, love and good deeds have to do with happiness? Just silly dope-headed ideas in the almighty american capitalist society of course!
 
Favorite Stoner Saying

What is your favorite thing you have heard someone say while stoned? From you, you friends, a movie...

Mine is from me. "I was letting you in on a internal conversation. Yeah, really we are always talking to ourselves, self-talk, so we really are letting other people in on a conversation"
 
Ask any psychonaut how attractive their current psychadelic of choice is, without sensory effects. IE- no hallucinations/colours/distortions of any type. Your mind is left with simply the headfuck. I doubt half the psychonauts will come back to school tomorrow.

Truth be told , if you're ingesting a chemical with the sole means of mimicing a phenomena such as enlightenment-- let it be known , it's a false sense of enlightenment. That's part of the drug's lure, and unfortunately some people can't understand that tripping should be done while tripping. Living by thoughts/ideals generated (bad word) by psychadelics just isn't healthy!
 
Pillthrill said:
"I was letting you in on a internal conversation. Yeah, really we are always talking to ourselves, self-talk, so we really are letting other people in on a conversation"


^ Takes the cake for the most drawn out, pointless and not funny phrase.

I doubt a stoner could even remember that. Hell, I'm perfect and I don't think it'll remain in my mind for more than a few minutes.

Most likely thing a human being with apathetic demeanor and a foggy head would say...?

Wait, dude.....what?
 
center said:
Ask any psychonaut how attractive their current psychadelic of choice is, without sensory effects. IE- no hallucinations/colours/distortions of any type. Your mind is left with simply the headfuck. I doubt half the psychonauts will come back to school tomorrow.

Truth be told , if you're ingesting a chemical with the sole means of mimicing a phenomena such as enlightenment-- let it be known , it's a false sense of enlightenment. That's part of the drug's lure, and unfortunately some people can't understand that tripping should be done while tripping. Living by thoughts/ideals generated (bad word) by psychadelics just isn't healthy!

I dont quite understand what your getting at with the attractiveness of their current psychedelic of choice is, but who are you to say the psychedelic experience is the same experiences you have had for everyone? If you are saying that all a psychedelic is is hallucinations, colors, distortions and headfuck then you obviously have not experienced what a 'psychonaut' is after. Why does it matter if the 'psychonauts' come to school tomorrow? It will not harm or effect your either way, if that is what makes a particular person who explores psychedelics happy that is their business.

I dont think anyone seriously thinks they can just mimic enlightenment, and that isnt really the point either i do not think. Who are you to say a person can only achieve a false sense of enlightenment through the assistance of psychedelics? They are certainly not a 'means to an end' at all, just a tool of sorts.

Anyhow the 'mystical experience' seems to be doing essentially the same things no matter how one gets their whether by drugs, meditation, sex, self mutilation, sleep deprivation, dancing, etc. How would you know which method is more genuine then the next? Check out the good friday experiment among others.

Finally a thought or idea is not generated by psychedelics it may be assisted by psychedelics but it is completely illogical and absurd to say it is automatically bad or intrinsically unhealthy. Do you know that the invention of PCR, the concept of the double helix dna model and even the internet were conceived with credit to LSD use?

And what exactly are these drugs luring you into and why?
 
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TheodoreRoosevelt said:
I mean really, what useful things has anyone gleaned from psychedelic drug use? Now, I'm not knocking their power, I personally have tripped acid hundreds of times. If you can withstand a strong acid trip, you can take anything that the week's doledrums can throw at you. But the idea that somehow you got insights that can't be ahieved any other way is extremely myopic, which, I think, perfectly describes psychonauts in general.

Well you said that if you can get through a strong acid trip you can get through the everyday bullshit, but what about having a particularly bad trip and getting through it by facing what it is that is causing the bad trip? Those are the important turning points that I have experienced that I was referring to.
 
Student said:
Check out the good friday experiment among others.

I agree with you, but citing a Timothy Leary experiment, especially that one, only hurts your credibility.
 
I suppose so, and i'm not to big of a fan of leary, sort of ruined things for everyone extra quick IMO, i guess it was the first thing off the top of my head.:p
 
I'm sick of this bullshit.

Glorify your psychadelics in any which way you want.

You're still missing the point-- it's a head game. It's played it so well on you, just look at you. You're defending drugs.

Trust me, LSD is a big boy. It can fight for itself.

I mean, after all, he discovered the internet, before Al Gore, and I'm sure it was completely attributed to LSD.

Yeah. Right.
 
how exactly did i glorify psychedelics? You are the one who seems to find what i said glorious, that was not my intention and i will not debate whether this drug is more glorious than that. What exactly did i say that was not true about them? Why is this all about what drug is superior to the next?

All i said is that rout to a 'mystical experience' is just as valid as the next, or at least, it is the individuals choice to decide how valid their experiences may be. Why exactly do you think its your place to decide that again?

Do you have any proof otherwise?

I am not defending drugs, just peoples right to place value in 'mystical experiences' they may have.

Are you seriously trying to say LSD (which was just a example of a psychedelic for the sake of debate btw) has some mind and agenda of its own? Do all psychedelics have some sort of evil agenda as well? I just don't understand what you think a chemical is fighting for exactly?


"I mean, after all, he discovered the internet, before Al Gore, and I'm sure it was completely attributed to LSD."

Who is the he? are you know assigning LSD a gender and giving it more human characteristics or is this a real person you speak of?

And the internet's advent was not completely attributed to the us of LSD, but it was giving credit for helping to inspire its creation. Are you now saying you decide what an inventor is allowed to credit their inspiration too as well? If you somehow missed what i wrote in the post you are replying to "were conceived with credit to LSD use" was what i typed.

So, explain something to me since you seem to be so knowledgeable about psychedelics and the mystical experience, what makes one route to the mystical experience any more valid than the next? Why can you not figure out that psychedelic does not have the letter 'a' in its spelling? I would really like some scientific data to show that what goes on in a person during these 'mystical experiences' or whatever is a delusion. It is just as real as anything else we perceive and i would really like to see you try and decide what a person is perceiving for them.
Just because there was a large amount of propaganda against LSD and psychedelics does not mean they have no value, or wait no, what the government says is always true, they wouldn't lie to the citizens they love so much, what would they have to gain?


I think the point i'm trying to get at is: It is not your place to tell people what they can and cannot do, and what they can and cannot believe.

And this agenda you have out against psychedelics and people who want to explore them is quite strange, what did these chemicals and people ever do to you except invent/help to invent things like PCR and create art that enhances many peoples lives?
 
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