Dissociatives Major Long Term Effects from MXE

[arseyRC]

24 litres of cider? i think most people would die drinking 20 litres of water....

 

[yoyo50]

If i had 400mg the first time i done it id lose my shit, i wouldn't of done more, that night and not doing 200mg lines either, sounds cut to me, unless u had a tolerance

 

[chestercheese]

24 litres of cider? i think most people would die drinking 20 litres of water....

This is over a full day bare in mind.. not just the usual 8 hour drinking time.

If i had 400mg the first time i done it id lose my shit, i wouldn't of done more, that night and not doing 200mg lines either, sounds cut to me, unless u had a tolerance

I didn't do it again for about 2 months after that first time, it did scare me but I'd never felt nothing like that before. I'd never even tried any legal high before that the only drug I'd tried was weed. But it was a designer drug so it could be cut, but I trust the guy quite a bit because I am friends with him outside of business and he's told me it's pure. I seem to be naturally tolerant to most drugs. Because I've tried a few other legal sniffs, again I am stupid but all with similar doses, not sure what chemicals but yeah, they was branded White MM, Spellweaver, GoGain and AKA <- that one whatever the fuck it was was the weirdest shit I've had bar 1 thing.

 

[eye_wide_open]

If i had 400mg the first time i done it id lose my shit, i wouldn't of done more, that night and not doing 200mg lines either, sounds cut to me, unless u had a tolerance

I could probably fit a gram of this stuff up my nose before I even felt the high coming on.
Another dangerous thing about it.

I did 200mg without noticing anything much once until the world started to warp and I went to lay down and the journey began. From then on my life was changed.

It's too easy to overdose on this stuff if you don't know what it is you are playing with.

I had never even tried K before and went head first into the MXE my friends gave me. Game changer.

I mean, I had done shrooms plenty of times and DMT and all that but seriously this was even more crazy than those for me.

It can change your mind permanently. Most things I have found though, wear off given time.
We won't know what long term effects it has for a while, specially polluting our systems with all kinds of other junk out there.

People can't even decide if this MXE shit is more like PCP or Ketamine but everyone wolfing it down not knowing what it does.

Gotta be aware to the fact that you guys are sampling something half way between horse tranquilizers and angel dust.

 

[Ondine]

Honestly, 400mg of MXE for your first time and I doubt you'd ever want to do any again. I was using MXE almost daily from January to April, but I would rarely dose over 100mg. Even then, I began to get the idea in my head that something like 50-60mg was a common dose. Not true. Many of my friends that I shared my MXE with took doses close to that for their first time, and some of them had such intense experiences that they never wanted to try it again.

Maybe you're just a psychedelic warrior, but I doubt that you sniffed 400mg of pure MXE. It was most likely cut with something.

As to the mental shift you refer to, I feel I know exactly what you're talking about. When I was on higher doses of MXE, I would see the world in a very different, not necessarily positive way. While I would return somewhat normalcy after coming down, MXE has definitely changed the way that I think about and see the world. I don't think that it's something that you really need to seek medical help for, unless it's causing you immediate distress. It's just something that you have to think deeply about and come to terms with.

When you experiment with psychedelic drugs, you have to come to terms with the risks involved, especially if you're going to rail 400mg (how did you even get all that up in your nose?). They effect everyone differently and can permanently change the way you think, which can be both positive and negative.

 

[Ismene]

Taking 400mg of mexy and then drinking 24 litres of cider on top is the one you really have to look out for - you do what is called the "A-hole". It is not pretty.

 

[chestercheese]

Lotus sounds like a headshop brand of MXE that you have bought that has been cut for people exactly like you. It's rare to encounter a low dosage RC like MXE being sold pure in a headshop. I'm not one to doubt, but...

400mg would have had you more than 'pretty fucked' and undoubtedly in an hole or worse. I guarantee if you're taking doses like that you will not be redosing like you appear to be. I recall big doses without a tolerance leading to terrible headaches and blind spots. But undoubtedly beforehand a hole. You're bound to expect some long term effects, it's naive to not think so.

I do guess it will be cut to a certain extent, but was still strong as a couple of friends tried only 25-50mg lines and could still hit near what appears to be hole. I know I've been irresponsible with it. I have made a mistake, I just want to know a little more about what's going on, how long it may last or anything that can help it a little more.

 

[chestercheese]

Honestly, 400mg of MXE for your first time and I doubt you'd ever want to do any again. I was using MXE almost daily from January to April, but I would rarely dose over 100mg. Even then, I began to get the idea in my head that something like 50-60mg was a common dose. Not true. Many of my friends that I shared my MXE with took doses close to that for their first time, and some of them had such intense experiences that they never wanted to try it again.

Maybe you're just a psychedelic warrior, but I doubt that you sniffed 400mg of pure MXE. It was most likely cut with something.

As to the mental shift you refer to, I feel I know exactly what you're talking about. When I was on higher doses of MXE, I would see the world in a very different, not necessarily positive way. While I would return somewhat normalcy after coming down, MXE has definitely changed the way that I think about and see the world. I don't think that it's something that you really need to seek medical help for, unless it's causing you immediate distress. It's just something that you have to think deeply about and come to terms with.

When you experiment with psychedelic drugs, you have to come to terms with the risks involved, especially if you're going to rail 400mg (how did you even get all that up in your nose?). They effect everyone differently and can permanently change the way you think, which can be both positive and negative.

When I first tired it and had that huge dose, I'll be honest I was put off for a couple of months. But it got to the point where I was bored of the weed "high" and needed something else. I know I did have a problem and I have stopped all drugs and rarely drink. I was basically trying new stuff constantly pushing my body to its limits. I've been close to death a few times.

To the psychedelic warrior part, MXE to me was nothing as bad as some of the trips I've had off other things. One was a mixture of a few RC's sold under the name AKA. The recommended dose (which again I found out after I had it) was 10mg and max dose was about 50mg. Over the course of a day (11am-3am) I had gone through 1.5g, it is a day I don't remember much of at all, all hazy, spent hours in the same spot and the comedown lasted for days because of the shear amount. My body was rundown, was in pain.. think that's the closest I've been to dying off something like this. Another was a smoking mix, which I never thought could be trippy at all, when I asked the guy who I trust he told me that it was just basically a shit version of weed, would just "mong" me out. So I thought why not try it, 3g for £10 you can't go wrong? I was wrong. In joints and everything it was perfectly fine, everything did go a bit cartoony, had giggles but then I had a 0.5g bucket of it because from my experience all these smoking things have been pretty weak and never done much to me. But I have never had a trip like that before, lasted about 30/40 minutes but I was in one room and the things I saw I can still see so clearly, I've never tripped like that before in my life or heard anybody who's tripped like that.. even know someone who has had acid and he said what I described was 10x worse. So compared to what I've felt of MXE, MXE was okay. But yeah, it isn't causing immediate distress.
But I have a very stressful life as it is, had a traumatic few months which doesn't help but now this is getting to the point that I need to just understand what I am feeling, if I can do that I should be fine. But at the moment it's effecting my work, my relationships with my family, friends and girlfriend and just kinda gets on top of me sometimes.

I'll be honest, when I first experimented with it, I got told it was slightly trippy that was it, I was young and just wanted to experience a small easy trip, he was obviously saying an understatement. But 400mg up my nose wasn't that hard, just took a couple of seconds to get it all then had to clear my nose quick, instant dropback and washed it down. But it kicked in about 30-120 seconds rather than the 10/20 minutes I've heard from others. I do understand what I've done I just want to know more about whats actually happened and if there is anyway to help it.

Taking 400mg of mexy and then drinking 24 litres of cider on top is the one you really have to look out for - you do what is called the "A-hole". It is not pretty.

I've not done it with 24 litres, then I would of been probably in hospital. I seem to know my limits of when to stop when mixing drugs, maybe not the quantities to have but I can feel my bodies limits pretty well. The most I've ever had with mexy is 12 litres of cider. But can you explain what an A-hole is? or is it just a pisstake? -_-

 

[jerseybrah]

When I first tired it and had that huge dose, I'll be honest I was put off for a couple of months. But it got to the point where I was bored of the weed "high" and needed something else. I know I did have a problem and I have stopped all drugs and rarely drink. I was basically trying new stuff constantly pushing my body to its limits. I've been close to death a few times.

To the psychedelic warrior part, MXE to me was nothing as bad as some of the trips I've had off other things. One was a mixture of a few RC's sold under the name AKA. The recommended dose (which again I found out after I had it) was 10mg and max dose was about 50mg. Over the course of a day (11am-3am) I had gone through 1.5g, it is a day I don't remember much of at all, all hazy, spent hours in the same spot and the comedown lasted for days because of the shear amount. My body was rundown, was in pain.. think that's the closest I've been to dying off something like this. Another was a smoking mix, which I never thought could be trippy at all, when I asked the guy who I trust he told me that it was just basically a shit version of weed, would just "mong" me out. So I thought why not try it, 3g for £10 you can't go wrong? I was wrong. In joints and everything it was perfectly fine, everything did go a bit cartoony, had giggles but then I had a 0.5g bucket of it because from my experience all these smoking things have been pretty weak and never done much to me. But I have never had a trip like that before, lasted about 30/40 minutes but I was in one room and the things I saw I can still see so clearly, I've never tripped like that before in my life or heard anybody who's tripped like that.. even know someone who has had acid and he said what I described was 10x worse. So compared to what I've felt of MXE, MXE was okay. But yeah, it isn't causing immediate distress.
But I have a very stressful life as it is, had a traumatic few months which doesn't help but now this is getting to the point that I need to just understand what I am feeling, if I can do that I should be fine. But at the moment it's effecting my work, my relationships with my family, friends and girlfriend and just kinda gets on top of me sometimes.

I'll be honest, when I first experimented with it, I got told it was slightly trippy that was it, I was young and just wanted to experience a small easy trip, he was obviously saying an understatement. But 400mg up my nose wasn't that hard, just took a couple of seconds to get it all then had to clear my nose quick, instant dropback and washed it down. But it kicked in about 30-120 seconds rather than the 10/20 minutes I've heard from others. I do understand what I've done I just want to know more about whats actually happened and if there is anyway to help it.


I've not done it with 24 litres, then I would of been probably in hospital. I seem to know my limits of when to stop when mixing drugs, maybe not the quantities to have but I can feel my bodies limits pretty well. The most I've ever had with mexy is 12 litres of cider. But can you explain what an A-hole is? or is it just a pisstake? -_-

a-hole = blackout drunk lol

 

[chestercheese]

a-hole = blackout drunk lol

ohhhh haha, a-hole also = asshole haha

 

[Halif]

Taking 400mg of mexy and then drinking 24 litres of cider on top is the one you really have to look out for - you do what is called the "A-hole".

LOL:D

I've not done it with 24 litres, then I would of been probably in hospital.

Replace "probably" with 'definitely', and "in hospital" with 'in the morgue' and it's getting closer


There are some unbelievably huge amounts being mentioned in this thread, so...

<Go Go BlueLight harm reduction machine! Activate!>

...now's probably a good time to remind anyone who wants to try MXE for the first time, or anyone who already uses it and wants to go up in dosage, that if you have actual MXE which isn't adulterated, 15mg will most likely have you feeling something, 30mg will definitely be an experience, and doses in the 50 - 100mg range can render you unable to remember your own name or move in any kind of normal way.

I had had dozens upon dozens of low to mid-range MXE experiences before I tried 100mg, but those earlier experiences didn't prepare me at all for what happened at 100mg because at that level it was nothing like any other experience I'd had with it. It may as well have been a different substance altogether. I was deconstructed and rebuilt. Fun it was not. Profound it most certainly was.

Let's all join hands and repeat a few of the ol' tried and true safety dance steps:

-test every new batch with a tiny quantity before diving in to larger amounts, in case there is a large difference in potency between batches (or what you got isn't even MXE). Racking up and snorting a huge line of MXE that turns out to be four times stronger than all your previous batches can have unpleasant consequences.

-if you're gonna mix MXE with other stuff (it mixes so well with so many things!!), keep the doses of both low - especially the MXE. And don't mix anything without reading up on your planned combo first.

-MXE is very strong and can powerfully alter your perception of life well after the subjective effects have worn off, so let's not do it too often (easier said than done sometimes, I know).

 

[wayab]

the most important thing i have learned here is that humans have evolved and 24 liters of cider are no longer a problem :D

 

[spacejunk]

I've never tripped like that before in my life or heard anybody who's tripped like that.. even know someone who has had acid and he said what I described was 10x worse.

i don't think we can offer you any advice about the possible long term effects of mxe. it's just too new - there isn't enough known about it yet.
the thing that scares me most about this thread is that so many research chemicals are being sold to people who know very little about them.
not to be rude, OP, but if you haven't even researched the limits of safe dosage, it really isn't safe to be taking any of these pseudo-legal substances. no matter how bright and shiny the packet is.

we can only speculate about what you took, how pure it may or may not be and the other particulars of your case - but the only really pragmatic suggestion i can offer you is to research any drug (legal, illegal or anywhere in between) you are going to take if you are ever going to experiment again.

i don't wish to sound condescending or dismissive - but you seem intelligent enough to do some reading, so you should research these things.
there is no excuse in this day and age not to be informed about new drugs you put into your body. there is a wealth of information to be had online about all but the most obscure psychoactives, and the basics of harm minimisation - of staying safe - are comprehensively covered.
we don't want you killing yourself on research chemicals.
now - i know you've already made this mistake, and probably learnt from it - but as everyone else has noted, your approach to this has been so cavalier as to resemble a death-wish.

besides the selfish reasons (it is in the best interests of everyone even remotely interested in emerging grey-market drugs that you don't give them a bad name) nobody wants to see you kill or permanently damage yourself because you made a naive mistake and overdosed on something that otherwise seems fairly safe.

there are plenty of people here and across the internets that are happy to offer you advice and information - but you just have to take the first step and help yourself, by seeking the information out.

research chemicals are a fairly risky proposition at times, but there are safe ways to approach their use. being informed about dosages, effects, interactions and the like are just a start, but pretty much essential if you are trying something new.

taking branded concoctions from some bloke - regardless of how much you may trust him - is a very risky way of taking any of this stuff.
there is trust involved in all drug acquisition - but the trust involved involved in purchasing a pure chemical online is quite different to the trust in buying some cornily-named, slickly-packaged shit from a shifty cat at a market stall.

the variables in the latter instance are too great, the whole set-up is disingenuous and unpredictable.
considering how powerful most of these agents are, it is kind of sickening to know that people sell them as a vaguely described, non-specific, branded product - and even more so that the chemical composition of these may change from one substance to another whilst keeping the same name. that's madness.

basically, it makes the whole scene some highly profitable lucky dip. the dealers make a quick buck, and in the process makes the whole thing a hell of a lot more dangerous than it needs to be.

if people just fucked the whole thing off, did a little reading and ordered the chemicals that appealed to them (by the correct name and in pure form) they'd be a lot better off in terms of both safety and financial cost.
if it's more expensive and more dangerous, why choose that option?

the dodgy fucks pedalling RCs to the ignorant may be lining their pockets, but in doing so they're fucking things for the rest of us. research chems will be stigmatised as a world of death and destruction, kids are going to get hurt/killed and there will be an excuse for the net of prohibition to close in tighter on the world of research chemicals.
i just wish everyone would spend some time - hell, even half an hour - reading up on a substance before they take it. it's really not that hard.
erowid.org is a great resource, and hell - wikipedia.org is not a bad first reference either.

in the meantime, i reckon you're on the right track and that you're best off giving drugs a rest for a while, OP.

 

[SpecialK_]

I do guess it will be cut to a certain extent, but was still strong as a couple of friends tried only 25-50mg lines and could still hit near what appears to be hole. I know I've been irresponsible with it. I have made a mistake, I just want to know a little more about what's going on, how long it may last or anything that can help it a little more.

Sorry for my rude/arrogant post. Could you explain a little more about how you are feeling 'off' as such. Any particular outstanding things happening? E.g. feeling depersonalised / rapid temperature changes / etc. Not seeing these should be happening, just as examples.

 

[eye_wide_open]

the thing that scares me most about this thread is that so many research chemicals are being sold to people who know very little about them.

Agreed.
These crazy new (and some not so new at all) chems are reaching the streets. Some of the people on the streets don't have computers. I can't imagine some 15 year olds with their hands on MXE. Their brains aren't even formed yet. They may not have access to research what they are doing and probably too young and will ignore it anyways.

People who learn the lesson with MXE and make it out OK surely know to be much more careful afterward. Unfortunately they have to learn the hard way. I did too.
I still can't decided if my best experiences were bad or good! lol

But my worst experiences with MXE were definitely very bad and scary and I wouldn't be surprised if I experience some sort of long term effect from it somehow. I do notice little things move now and again or a color splotch here and there every once in a long while but I've been through a few more things than MXE by now that could have contributed.

The surprising thing is us wacky humans are willing to take things we don't exactly know everything about, and end up with bad interactions in the first place.
If you can't research it and don't know what it is,
Don't consume it yet!

We have to use common sense but some of us drug addicts from the streets don't have much of it. Some of us do. Some of us learn faster than others, etc.

One thing I have learned about sampling RC's is it's always better to under-do-it than OD it.
You can always get more. There will be more ways to get high tomorrow.
But you can't take it back when you do too much.

I Can go to my local pipe and tobacco store right now and buy some shit that fucks me up worse than cocaine called "bubbles". Don't even know what it is. They've changed the contents five times. Shit is crazy. That means any old kid could get his hands on shit worse than coke today in my town by fishing for adults out front of the store.

I don't even like that shit they're selling down there. I would consider it an RC.
Who knows what the hell it even is!
I flushed that shit. My friend wanted it and we decided to just get rid of it after one use each.
Nasty shit.

 

[coolcucumber]

An excellent and timely post, spacejunk.

 

[Ismene]

I Can go to my local pipe and tobacco store right now and buy some shit that fucks me up worse than cocaine called "bubbles". Don't even know what it is. They've changed the contents five times. Shit is crazy. That means any old kid could get his hands on shit worse than coke today in my town by fishing for adults out front of the store.

Then again, I'd rather a kid was taking bubbles than huffing glue and petrol like they did in the pre-RC days.

 

[chestercheese]

i don't think we can offer you any advice about the possible long term effects of mxe. it's just too new - there isn't enough known about it yet.
the thing that scares me most about this thread is that so many research chemicals are being sold to people who know very little about them.
not to be rude, OP, but if you haven't even researched the limits of safe dosage, it really isn't safe to be taking any of these pseudo-legal substances. no matter how bright and shiny the packet is.

we can only speculate about what you took, how pure it may or may not be and the other particulars of your case - but the only really pragmatic suggestion i can offer you is to research any drug (legal, illegal or anywhere in between) you are going to take if you are ever going to experiment again.

i don't wish to sound condescending or dismissive - but you seem intelligent enough to do some reading, so you should research these things.
there is no excuse in this day and age not to be informed about new drugs you put into your body. there is a wealth of information to be had online about all but the most obscure psychoactives, and the basics of harm minimisation - of staying safe - are comprehensively covered.
we don't want you killing yourself on research chemicals.
now - i know you've already made this mistake, and probably learnt from it - but as everyone else has noted, your approach to this has been so cavalier as to resemble a death-wish.

besides the selfish reasons (it is in the best interests of everyone even remotely interested in emerging grey-market drugs that you don't give them a bad name) nobody wants to see you kill or permanently damage yourself because you made a naive mistake and overdosed on something that otherwise seems fairly safe.

there are plenty of people here and across the internets that are happy to offer you advice and information - but you just have to take the first step and help yourself, by seeking the information out.

research chemicals are a fairly risky proposition at times, but there are safe ways to approach their use. being informed about dosages, effects, interactions and the like are just a start, but pretty much essential if you are trying something new.

taking branded concoctions from some bloke - regardless of how much you may trust him - is a very risky way of taking any of this stuff.
there is trust involved in all drug acquisition - but the trust involved involved in purchasing a pure chemical online is quite different to the trust in buying some cornily-named, slickly-packaged shit from a shifty cat at a market stall.

the variables in the latter instance are too great, the whole set-up is disingenuous and unpredictable.
considering how powerful most of these agents are, it is kind of sickening to know that people sell them as a vaguely described, non-specific, branded product - and even more so that the chemical composition of these may change from one substance to another whilst keeping the same name. that's madness.

basically, it makes the whole scene some highly profitable lucky dip. the dealers make a quick buck, and in the process makes the whole thing a hell of a lot more dangerous than it needs to be.

if people just fucked the whole thing off, did a little reading and ordered the chemicals that appealed to them (by the correct name and in pure form) they'd be a lot better off in terms of both safety and financial cost.
if it's more expensive and more dangerous, why choose that option?

the dodgy fucks pedalling RCs to the ignorant may be lining their pockets, but in doing so they're fucking things for the rest of us. research chems will be stigmatised as a world of death and destruction, kids are going to get hurt/killed and there will be an excuse for the net of prohibition to close in tighter on the world of research chemicals.
i just wish everyone would spend some time - hell, even half an hour - reading up on a substance before they take it. it's really not that hard.
erowid.org is a great resource, and hell - wikipedia.org is not a bad first reference either.

in the meantime, i reckon you're on the right track and that you're best off giving drugs a rest for a while, OP.

Yeah, I understand where you are coming from. I know I should of done my research. But at the time, all I thought legal highs were was safe alternatives to illegal drugs which they tend to get marketed as (the designer drugs anyway) which I knew after a few times of trying some of them that this was not the case.

But after having that first trip off MXE, I knew I had to find more about it.. but the obvious problem with designer drugs is if you search them it is rare you will find information on them without knowing what is in them. I searched "Lotus" but obviously all I could find was blue lotus which is nothing like it. But I can still get hold of the Lotus, maybe it would be best sending it off to that place that tells you what's in them? If anybody knows it, so I know exactly what I've been overdosing on to an extreme point?

 

[DubNaut]

so besides dissociative shmolerance, can anyone report changing trips?
lol, i know that is hard thing to distinguish with dissociative experiences and dosages

any difference in effects Sublingual vs insuffocation?
sublingul seemed different after first tests, i know it is stronger orally..

 

[chestercheese]

Sorry for my rude/arrogant post. Could you explain a little more about how you are feeling 'off' as such. Any particular outstanding things happening? E.g. feeling depersonalised / rapid temperature changes / etc. Not seeing these should be happening, just as examples.

It isn't rude at all, for me to get answers. People have to ask questions!
Well, I have a permanent spaciness, my body carries on as normal, my life does, I just do everything I normally would. But it feels as if I have no influence to it and I am just watching. Like even typing this I don't even feel in control of my thoughts, I know it's happening but I'm just watching my body do it like I am detached from myself. But I do get times, usually getting towards the end of the day or first thing in the morning where I just zone out, stare at something and just let the world pass me by. I feel like just curling up in a ball and just not moving for days. I get times when I can barely keep a conservation with my dad, girlfriend, friends just because of how distant I am from my own mind. But there are other things that can be the cause for the latter, my mother died just over 6 months ago and she was the main role model in my life, she kept me on the straight path, I looked to her for guidance. Wasn't until after she died that my drug problem spiraled out of control. Beforehand she had cancer 10 years ago, 5 years later she got the all clear than about 8 months after that she was diagnosed with cancer again. Which turned my life upside down, I was only young. I am 17 now, and putting up with all this I am expected to be so strong. To not be upset and that's how I want to be, I've had my time to grieve and I think I did it with drugs, but that feeling of disappointing knowing how ashamed she may be for what I have been doing haunts me.
But my dad and I are distant anyway, we do have somewhat of a bond but I just don't connect with him, he doesn't know about any of my drug problems, he doesn't even know I drink to be honest. But I have nobody left I can truly open up to, who actually understands and that's what scares me a little.

I know parts of my symptoms is probably due to anxiety, maybe depression or depersonalization but I know it can't all be pinned down to it.

I've been to the doctors for it, what I was described as was emotionally numb with severe anxiety and very mild depression, but that was only on my symptoms, they didn't actually speak to me about it. I have just been referred to do CBT. But either way I just needed to know how much of it was based on my bad times with drugs, this dark stage in my life that seems like it will never end. I regret every last bit of it, but it's now too late.