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magnesium stearate

i have stopped using supplements mostly, in part because of running into this same information. i'm not sure what it is exactly but i did feel a difference when i stopped. i am not saying it was due to the stearates, though... it could have been a simple side effect of the b-vitamins i was taking, for one. there were a lot of things i have changed though recently. the main thing i have now that i didn't then, was lots of energy. the main thing i notice anyway.

i also have malabsorption issues. but i am plagued with many things like food allergies/sensitivities, chronic gallbladder distress... fructose malabsorbtion which means I can't handle much more fructose than glucose- ideally i need more glucose than fructose in foods, but I can handle hemp seeds which apparently have more sightly fructose than glucose.. but the amount of sugar is less than a gram per serving, so... that could be it. i'm not sure about this information regarding it's sugar content exactly, though, as many sites state different things about hemp seeds and their contents, and that's the one i've found with a breakdown of sugars.

but anyways, i too have had these fears but felt they were unwarranted after reading that these stearates are found in various other foods, like chocolate. but who knows.. maybe in the form of a pill they have a different effect somehow. i could have been reacting to the source ingredient of the stearates- myself, as even fats contain residues of whatever plants they were made from, much of the time, and i am super-sensitive. but.. it could have been simply a side effect of some of the massive doses of b-vitamins, or whatever. i just know i had suddenly more energy when i stopped. and more now.


An argument for why those companies label their products like that though, pushing "no fillers or binders" is simply sales techniques. The vitamin industry isn't any different from any other, for a lot of part. Granted I'd personally rather take a pure supplement myself if I have to take one... But I have heard the argument that many supplement makers hop on the latest bandwagon and overprice their products, knowing you'll buy them.

Still, I can't be sure. But the fact that it's in stuff naturally seems like it should be ok in the amounts taken.. . as long as you take it with other stuff (food). That could be an issue. Maybe if you take it alone (a supplement containing) the digestion doesn't work as well.. .and then maybe it does find it's way into some bad places.. I don't know. It's best to eat a variety of foods. They help break each other down. .. that could be the issue?

I don't know.
 
aescin said:
wtf does "I wanted relevant research on which you base your opinion. I did not want you to run a google search for me. :P" mean ? obviously you didnt google it yourself so i helped out.

A cursory Google search suggests that steraric acid is metabolized similarly to other fatty acids, and that concerns of danger are rooted in baseless conjecture. Given that your opinion is so strong, I assumed it based on more than conjecture, so I was interested in hearing more about the evidence on which you base your opinion.

ebola
 
A cursory Google search suggests that steraric acid is metabolized similarly to other fatty acids, and that concerns of danger are rooted in baseless conjecture. Given that your opinion is so strong, I assumed it based on more than conjecture, so I was interested in hearing more about the evidence on which you base your opinion.

ebola


stearic acid is a fatty acid i know and it exists in nature and we consume it, but what they do is somehow isolate it in huge quanitities, process it in ways i cant imagine, and who knows what it becomes. i know its called magnesium stearate on pills and its different from the fatty acid stearic acid. so people misunderstand the defense drug companies use when they claim "its natural it exists in foods". correct me if im wrong about this occurring ?
 
It's pretty sad that so many people, especially moderators, are posting responses without knowing what they are talking about. :\

Magnesium stearate is NOT a supplemental source of magnesium but rather a form of stearic acid. It's essentially chalk, and previous research has shown that it suppresses your natural killer cells, which are a key component of your immune system. Unfortunately, this chalk filler stimulates your gut to form a biofilm – a sort of sludge lining – that acts as an effective barrier to the absorption of not only that particular vitamin but all the nutrients you'd normally get from food sources as well. This is a major reason for focusing on nutritional foods rather than taking handfuls of vitamins each day.

Fortunately, once I became aware of this issue, I was able to get my personal brand multi-vitamins reformulated, so they do not contain magnesium stearate any longer. Titanium dioxide is another absolutely unnecessary color agent you don't want to see in your supplements, as it has been shown to cause autoimmune disorders.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/22/is-your-multivitamin-toxic.aspx

Molecular basis for the immunosuppressive action of stearic acid on T cells

If I were trying to detox from magnesium stearate, I would personally use a regimen of juice feasting (with fresh-pressed organic juice) and enemas/colonics. I would aim for at least 4-10 days on the juice feast, with enemas daily or every other day on longer fasts. Checkout the movie Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead for info and motivation on juice feasting (fasting). And I'd recommend going to a natural health site in the future instead of a drug message board for information on health.

- Illumini
 
wow thanks a lot Illumini !
finaly someone is very straight forward on this forum, no bullshit ! i respect you for posting her even tho i suspect you recieved a warning about (perhaps even get your post edited or deleted for such statement) but well done nevertheless !

anyway, besides your good positive post relating stearates, i should say, good advice on avoiding this forum in future situations. ive noticed in the past as well, i get sketchy infos, or i get warnings or insults for what i post. it seems a lot of people (since forum is popular) are big pharm supporters here and will do anything for the money and their boss to opress and support whats asked of them. i just recently made a thread about asking which supplements should be tested or not and it was closed and i had a warning pm sent to me in the amount of an hour. it seems, i cannot question, challenge "businesses" even if relating to people's health ! with this i say, thanks a lot in conclusion for your input and take care !
 
aescin said:
stearic acid is a fatty acid i know and it exists in nature and we consume it

The point is not that the compound is natural. Rather, the point is that it is metabolized similarly to other, very similar compounds that we regularly consume in similar quantities.

so people misunderstand the defense drug companies use when they claim "its natural it exists in foods". correct me if im wrong about this occurring ?

I don't think that anyone here is taking up supplement manufacturers' argument that it is natural and therefore safe.

process it in ways i cant imagine, and who knows what it becomes.

It becomes the stearic salt of various compounds to which it is bonded. This does not radically alter how it is metabolized by the body (again, in comparison to how other fatty acids interact with electrolytes in body fluids).

Illumini said:
It's pretty sad that so many people, especially moderators, are posting responses without knowing what they are talking about.

Like who? In what way do they speak from ignorance?


The problem with the applicability of this study is that it is conducted in vitro, at concentrations highly unlikely to be attained in the GI tract, particularly in the presence of endogenous enzymes which break down varied saturated fatty acids.

aescin said:
i suspect you recieved a warning about (perhaps even get your post edited or deleted for such statement)

Why?

i get warnings or insults for what i post. it seems a lot of people (since forum is popular) are big pharm supporters here and will do anything for the money and their boss to opress and support whats asked of them.

Er...really? A lot of us mold our statements due to the concerns of our employers, and the rewards and punishments they offer? :P

You get warnings and insults on a routine basis because you approach conversation overly combatively, not because of the content of any of your opinions.

ebola
 
wow thanks a lot Illumini !
finaly someone is very straight forward on this forum, no bullshit ! i respect you for posting her even tho i suspect you recieved a warning about (perhaps even get your post edited or deleted for such statement) but well done nevertheless !

anyway, besides your good positive post relating stearates, i should say, good advice on avoiding this forum in future situations. ive noticed in the past as well, i get sketchy infos, or i get warnings or insults for what i post. it seems a lot of people (since forum is popular) are big pharm supporters here and will do anything for the money and their boss to opress and support whats asked of them. i just recently made a thread about asking which supplements should be tested or not and it was closed and i had a warning pm sent to me in the amount of an hour. it seems, i cannot question, challenge "businesses" even if relating to people's health ! with this i say, thanks a lot in conclusion for your input and take care !


Your thread wasn't closed because you were questioning which supplements should be tested or not. Your thread was closed because you were asking other bluelighters to pay for a membership to another site and then give you the information they received as a result. And you didn't receive a warning, I was just explaining why I closed your thread.

I keep an open mind when it comes to people's different opinions on healthy living, and my job as a moderator of this forum is to keep productive, positive discussion going and to adhere to the user agreement you received when you joined. I have no problem with your thoughts, opinions, or questions regarding what is in the supplements you choose to ingest. I have no problem that you question what the FDA and pharm companies tell you is 'safe'. What I do have a problem with is your negative and accusatory attitude towards the people in this forum. Let's keep this discussion positive and respectful.
 
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