[LSD Subthread] The Clean vs. Dirty Acid Debate (Part 2 - Archived)

[illusion25]

^^ what trogdor said.
just because it is LSD doesnt mean it is pure or made correctly.

just like all drugs.....saying lsd is lsd, is like saying meth is meth and herion is herion.
wrong....!

impurites are always possilble and are probably more common than people expect

 

[Beenhead]

I was saying that relatively, 80%, pure acid would not have enough impurity for the cramping and nausea to related to the purity. Even 40% (40 ug for every 100ug) wouldnt cause side effects related to impurity, even if a milligram were taken. And my question was more like, is there any precursors or biproducts active in the sub milligram level. And notice my example was for very impure and a huge dose.

 

[theWorldWithin]

^^^Yes that was my point also beanhead. I believe that other impurities only are a concern at massive doses since they are not active at the microgram level.

 

[Ximot]

I believe that other impurities only are a concern at massive doses since they are not active at the microgram level.

some compounds may not require massive doses to cause ill effects

 

[Beenhead]

Yes but are those compounds present in the LSD making Process in any way? And are they commonly found in doses?

Really all psychedelics cause these symptoms in me to some extent, even LSD. It would be hard to say that just because you got some GI problems the Acid is automatically dirty, for me.

 

[swilow]

I have recieved acid that was different from LSD. Not as mind-boggling and visuals weren't as rich. It was later theorized that the compound was Bromo-DFly.

You had acid that was Bromo-DFly? Then you didn't have acid.

LSD is very clean, LSA is dirtier in physical effects.... any reason people wouldn't make LSA blotter?

I've had extreme nasuea up to vomiting and shitting from LSD, because I was mentally unfocused. Taken in a good set/setting reduces this body load to nil. LSD leaves the body almost immediately, so it can't be the LSD thats producing the bad effect really....

 

[Beenhead]

But then that would go into the debate whether the psychedelic effects are caused by LSD at all either.

 

[swilow]

^^^^Can of worms- lets tentavitely leave it shut.

 

[vecktor]

Could unreacted ergot alkaloids cause a reaction in the Microgram level? As long as you have LSD and not another Psych passed off as LSD, then how could you get effects from chems that tend to not be active in the 25-150 ug range. I could see how if you like to take 6-8 hits you could get those effects from the impurities. On low doses I would think that the anxiety/cramps could be caused by the LSD itself and not necessarily from impurities. It would be speculation to say what caused it unless someone had a known batch of exceptionally made fluff.

I know first hand that pure LSD at 150 ug causes cramps, strange feelings in the stomach, coldness of the extremities . it is a dirty drug even when pure but that is part of its character.
as willow said the mindset and setting has much more effect if you are scared then acid will amplify the fear, which will trigger more fear. its amazing how quickly people recover once they throw up, as though it gets rid of the poison, but in fact it is mostly a psychological purge.

if you have access to liquid and a UV lamp then run it on tlc then cut out the LSD part of the chromatogram and eat it that way it is absolutely pure.

this is the thread that will not die.

 

[Beenhead]

^^^^Can of worms- lets tentavitely leave it shut.

agreed

 

[Beenhead]

I know first hand that pure LSD at 150 ug causes cramps, strange feelings in the stomach, coldness of the extremities . it is a dirty drug even when pure but that is part of its character.
as willow said the mindset and setting has much more effect if you are scared then acid will amplify the fear, which will trigger more fear. its amazing how quickly people recover once they throw up, as though it gets rid of the poison, but in fact it is mostly a psychological purge.

if you have access to liquid and a UV lamp then run it on tlc then cut out the LSD part of the chromatogram and eat it that way it is absolutely pure.

this is the thread that will not die.

As I said earlier I get that from all Psychedelics, Acid included

 

[swilow]

I know first hand that pure LSD at 150 ug causes cramps, strange feelings in the stomach, coldness of the extremities . it is a dirty drug even when pure but that is part of its character.
as willow said the mindset and setting has much

Actually, LSD is one of the safest, non-toxic substances that can pass through the body. Adrenaline casues all these symtpons you list, not LSD.

LSD is so potent because it is so refined, there is very little extraneous material or side effects, or should be. You are only ingesting 150mcgs of substance. Even strychnine is more posonous then that.

I often wondered why LSD took of in th sixties, as opposed to other psychedelics.... Aside from mass manufacturing, I think it was chosen because its phyically benign and perceived as the ultimate purity- a full, psychedelic trip on the quivalent of a grain of salt.

 

[Beenhead]

But, I get cramps and stomach aches (although much less than say Psilocybin ), from taking LSD. This is then a side effect of LSD, either directly or indirectly.

 

[Ximot]

I get the rumbles from acid sometimes - clean or not, acid can do that

 

[vecktor]

I often wondered why LSD took of in th sixties, as opposed to other psychedelics.... Aside from mass manufacturing, I think it was chosen because its phyically benign and perceived as the ultimate purity- a full, psychedelic trip on the quivalent of a grain of salt.

In my opinion the simple answer 1 kg = 10 million decent doses. = approx 4-6 kg ergotamine= stupid profit margin.
easy to hide easy to distribute and very cheap per dose.

 

[nanobrain]

if you have access to liquid and a UV lamp then run it on tlc then cut out the LSD part of the chromatogram and eat it that way it is absolutely pure.

oh yeah baby, oldsckool stylee ala Hofmann and sillycybin, ah likes it! better yet, find a Family member, divest him of a couple grams of some needlepoint fluff or quad-wash silver, wash that crystal again, then proceed as above.

i still remember this one batch from 1986 going around CU Boulder - Blue Octopus blotter - we called it engineering acid, not only cause it came from the engineering department, but also, 'cause no matter how many of the 100ug doses one ate, the trip was always absolutely lucid, conceptually loaded and visually inspiring - with zero negative effects on the body.

on the contrary, it seemed to affect the somatic circuitryin a way that enabled the mataprogrammer direct access to and rather amplified control of most any bodily function - in fact, this was the perfect acid for long martial arts sessions. and you felt rejuvenated the next day, as if your dust screens were wiped clean.

several sheets were retained and repeatedly subjectively group tested via comparators which included windowpanes clear and red, green globes and orange sunshines (not THE Orange Sunshines).

now the orange sunshines - gave one full understanding as to why acid is sometimes called fry - you felt fried - while LSD without a doubt, the body felt frazzled, the currents running through much harsher and electric, sizzling, you could almost hear the 'tzzzz' of braincells frying - and nothing like the octopi. a couple of peoples faces actually turned red for over 24 hours post experiments. now the globes - 2 would ensure one left the body, but boy did one still feel the body that one left behind - cramps, pain in joints and bones, headache - but all through the transitive nightfall of diamonds.

point of digression being - well, i guess until we all get agile in Iron Chef TLC - or until the ones blessed with clean acid get to sample dirty, or those who've only had dirty get to sample the real deal, threads like this will appear on a regular basis.

 

[krazycrow]

I have wondered about this subject a few times, I has lead me to think about substances and intentions that are put into them. If someone is making LSD in a mountain cabin with the intention of enlightening people and bringing love and peace in the world and the people who handle it and dispense it are on that same wave length and have the same intentions, would it affect people different then LSD made in a dirty warehouse in a city by a unemployed chemist/speed freak trying to turn a dollar? A lot of people think LSD-25 is LSD-25 but I think the crystals absorb energy on an invisible level. The same as when someone cooks a meal made with love it is a good meal and when someone cooks a meal with anger and hate it tastes like hell might even make you sick. That is just my theory, family doses have always been the best and cleanest I have ever eaten.

 

[7zark7]

it is a dirty drug even when pure but that is part of its character.

I would have to agree with you there.

this is the thread that will not die.

Also true

 

[swilow]

How can LSD have a different effect to LSD, unless its not LSD? What the fuck drugs have we been taking?

 

[Beenhead]

What?