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LSD - Not what I expected?

My first time taking LSD wasn't what I expected. I had anticipated great visuals and a bigger change of mental space. I did see amazing paisley patterns in almost everything I looked at though.

My second time was much greater due to some pot brownies, but I appreciated the fact that I had experienced LSD alone my first time. There were quite a few more visuals, and I felt like I wasn't sure what was up and what was down. It was truly incredible.
 
I never had any frank hallucination from LSD...or any ht2a agonist. CEV's of geometrics and teeth and ghost like thigns yeah...real, honest to god hallucinations of realistic things? hell no!

I got that from K-opioid agonist (salvia) and from NMDA agonists...Ketamine and PCP. True, frank hallucinations where your in your own little world separate from reality.

anyways mate...most physedelics (not dissassoctives and delirants mind you) are mind trips...its really about abstract though patterns and whatnot...geometric shapes that your seeing are not really that cool or impressive.

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the most impressive visuals by far, IMHO, are from a hard opioid nod...its like a semi awake dream with full on synthesis of visual, auditory, olfactory and tactile sensation. but its not trippy/"mind expanding" ect...its just euphoria and happy times.
 
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Ismene said:
Is this open-eye visuals? If so then that's probably the placebomine rather than the LSD. If you honestly believe with all your heart you are going to see pink elephants tip-toeing through the treetops wearing yellow tu-tu's then it's possible for you to convince yourself that you are seeing it.

LSD doesn't cause hallucinations of things that arn't there. It isn't like "Hole in My shoe". It makes the world look like a painting, you get slight variations and movements of things that are already there but forget the bollocks about pink elephants. It ain't gonna happen.
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i will swear up and down that i saw a trumpet with a tongue sticking out the bell playing along with some jazz one night when i was 14. however, it was dark outside so it's possible that played a role. same night i was transported to a cemetery where the moon was singing along with DSOTM. best acid i've ever had - just one blotter. I've often wondered if my underdeveloped 14-year-old mind had something to do with it.
 
Ismene said:
Is this open-eye visuals? If so then that's probably the placebomine rather than the LSD. If you honestly believe with all your heart you are going to see pink elephants tip-toeing through the treetops wearing yellow tu-tu's then it's possible for you to convince yourself that you are seeing it.

LSD doesn't cause hallucinations of things that arn't there. It isn't like "Hole in My shoe". It makes the world look like a painting, you get slight variations and movements of things that are already there but forget the bollocks about pink elephants. It ain't gonna happen.
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Nonsense. I've seen plenty of stuff that wasn't there on LSD. One particularly impressive hallucination was of a girl's hair, which stood straight out from her skull and then braided itself into plats! Wasn't anything like a painting.

Who said anything about pink elephants until you did?
 
Xorkoth said:
Experiencing orbs and spiral visions of teeth opening and closing is hardly uncommon for a high-dose tryptamine experience...
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You see open eyed visuals of big sets of teeth floating in the air opening and closing ? I think that's incredibly unusual.

Even in the earliest days of LSD people knew it didn't cause hallucinations which is why guys like Huxley tried so hard to avoid it being mis-labelled as one.
 
mindsurfer said:
Nonsense. I've seen plenty of stuff that wasn't there on LSD. One particularly impressive hallucination was of a girl's hair, which stood straight out from her skull and then braided itself into plats! Wasn't anything like a painting.
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I think that's got more to do with you than the LSD. If you really want to believe you can see things you don't need LSD to do it - you can talk to drunks every night who swear they can see things that arn't there. Some people can convince themselves of anything.

Incidentally was this hair belonging to someone who was actually in the room with you? Or did hair just appear in front of you in an empty room and start platting itself?

You misunderstood what I was saying about the painting too, I was saying that, as Benny Shannon points out on his book on ayahuasca, the world can take on a painting-like appearance when you are on psychedelics - that's a long way away from seeing pink elephants.
 
Ismene said:
Is this open-eye visuals? If so then that's probably the placebomine rather than the LSD. If you honestly believe with all your heart you are going to see pink elephants tip-toeing through the treetops wearing yellow tu-tu's then it's possible for you to convince yourself that you are seeing it.

LSD doesn't cause hallucinations of things that arn't there. It isn't like "Hole in My shoe". It makes the world look like a painting, you get slight variations and movements of things that are already there but forget the bollocks about pink elephants. It ain't gonna happen.
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No. I was experienced with acid at this point. This was open eyed visuals too. They were potent tabs and I hadn't slept because I'd been up all night on meth. I honestly saw what I described. Maybe it was a combination of sleep deprivation and a good, high dose. Either way, it occurred :).

Keep in mind just because YOU haven't had pure hallucinations on LSD, it doesn't mean that others haven't or can't.
 
Ismene, you must be constantly surprised at how much your preconceptions are shattered constantly. Sometimes things (such as seeing floating teeth) are real.... constant skeptisism is annoying. Explain why I have seen actual aliens after smoking DMT....

And anyway, if LSD has this placaboamine effect- isn't that fucking incredible in itself?
 
psycosynthesis said:
Keep in mind just because YOU haven't had pure hallucinations on LSD, it doesn't mean that others haven't or can't.
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True, but it's not only me who doesn't see things that arn't there. It's pretty much every reliable researcher into psychedelics from Wasson and Huxley onwards. That's why they tried to make it clear that LSD and mushrooms shouldn't be called hallucinogens and instead tried to come up with names like entheogens.
 
swilow said:
Ismene, you must be constantly surprised at how much your preconceptions are shattered constantly. Sometimes things (such as seeing floating teeth) are real.... constant skeptisism is annoying. Explain why I have seen actual aliens after smoking DMT....
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I dunno swillow - I can't explain why every weekend I see drunks talking to people who arn't there either. It's just something they do.

Has that got anything to do with the alcohol they're drinking? Alcohol doesn't make me see people who arn't there, never mind become entranced in deep conversations with them. Perhaps it's the placebomine, or perhaps it's just a feature of some peoples personalties.
 
Keep in mind that even those researches based their work on their own subjective experiences...and just because something has been published by a credible researcher, doesn't make it an absolute truth. Paradigms shift constantly.

I saw what I saw. It was real for me.

I doubt it was a placebomine, because as I said, I was experienced with LSD at that point. As for it being a feature of my personality, it was still the drug that interacted with my personality to cause that. That's assuming it was my personality which caused the hallucinations to start with, which I doubt it was. On one occaison at least, the drug caused a hallucination that wasn't there.

To be honest, I haven't experienced the phenomenom since. I've had severe visual morphing, but nothing that holds a flame to that night.
 
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On one occaison at least, the drug caused a hallucination that wasn't there.

That's not quite what a hallucination means tho psyco, a hallucination is something you can't distuinguish from reality - ie, you believe there is a giant set of teeth floating in the air above you as much as the chair you are sitting on. That's not what happened right? You were always 100% aware that this was just your mind wandering under the effects of a drug?

If psychedelics did that to me I don't think I'd be interested in taking them. That's why I've always avoided deleriants.
 
Well, I knew it wasn't really there, same as I knew the giant, glittery floating geometric orb was just a result of the drug. However, they were more than just a visual distortion. They were images that did not originate from the environment around me, which is what I take 'normal' visual distortion to be, a distortion of the perception of the visual field.

Within the terms of your argument then, what about a breakthrough DMT experience...? Are DMT entities hallucinations or visuals, or are they, as many people seem to belive, real? Or how about an ego-loss experience? If there is no YOU, then how can YOU distinguist what you are seeing from 'reality'?
 
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