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Middleway said:
I am on Nardil an irriversable MAOI.
Lastly, has anyone ever tripped on a maoi? There are conflicting reports on BL and all over the net as to the actual effect.
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howdy middleway- i talked to a senior psychiatrist today at work and got an answer. Supposedly the ireversable MAOI that you are on would be the worst one to be on for taking a trip at the same time. These types of MAOIs are more likely to cause serotonin syndrome than SSRI or other MAOI's.

Ontop of this she also said that any taking any type of serotonergic releasing substance while on this could potentially lead to serotonin syndrome.

I talked to her about bluelight today and hopefully she will start lurking here soon and be able to post more in depth replies to some peoples questions.
 
madmick19 said:
howdy middleway- i talked to a senior psychiatrist today at work and got an answer. Supposedly the ireversable MAOI that you are on would be the worst one to be on for taking a trip at the same time. These types of MAOIs are more likely to cause serotonin syndrome than SSRI or other MAOI's.

Ontop of this she also said that any taking any type of serotonergic releasing substance while on this could potentially lead to serotonin syndrome.

I talked to her about bluelight today and hopefully she will start lurking here soon and be able to post more in depth replies to some peoples questions.
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good advice and a few things to add - SSRI & LSD actually has higher reported risks (serotonin syndrome) than MAOI & LSD combo.
Reports vary on irreversible MAOIs & LSD from increasing effects to decreasing effects to nada. However do remember that pharmahuasca is simply a tryptamine & MAOI combo.
It just goes to show that people react differently to MAOIs which is why they are not to be fucked with - especially an irreversible type like Phenelzine (nardil).
 
howdy middleway- i talked to a senior psychiatrist today at work and got an answer. Supposedly the ireversable MAOI that you are on would be the worst one to be on for taking a trip at the same time. These types of MAOIs are more likely to cause serotonin syndrome than SSRI or other MAOI's. Ontop of this she also said that any taking any type of serotonergic releasing substance while on this could potentially lead to serotonin syndrome.

I talked to her about bluelight today and hopefully she will start lurking here soon and be able to post more in depth replies to some peoples questions.
Thanks for the queston it is a good reminder in this thread about the use of Substances and medication
 
permastoned said:
^ DO* is not serotonin releasing. It is fine to take MAOIs on psychedelics, they do not release serotonin. Rather, they bind to the serotonin receptors. Completely different.
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heya permastoned, for the sake of making sure that there is correct information on this board i would be interested in your evidence to support this, i asked this psychiatrist about LSD in combination with the irreversible MAOI that was asked about. I also think that it may be a bit brash to generalise all psychedelics as being safe to take with MAOI and not in the spirit of harm reduction.

iave read a few research papers that all indicate the release of both serotonin and dopamine- might be worthwhile getting phase dancer out for this discussion
 
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PsiloSubNaut said:
Dose up in a good mindset, in a relaxed comfortable environment, with good friends and you will have an awesome experience

Average drop of liq should be a good start for first timer
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what do you reckon the likelihood of it it being lsd is?

getting it in western syd

anyone?
 
I dont think areas are relevant. Depends on where it came from and who u gettin it from. Best to buy it from someone who u know who has tried it.
 
I've never taken less than half a tab, and each time I've been zonked out of my mind. Would a lower dose, say half a tab, make an outing to say the museum, or imax, or luna park, etc. super enjoyable?

I just don't want to waste a half
 
atsocrix said:
I've never taken less than half a tab, and each time I've been zonked out of my mind. Would a lower dose, say half a tab, make an outing to say the museum, or imax, or luna park, etc. super enjoyable?

I just don't want to waste a half
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I would personaly never do high doses of acid in public. If its a decent tab then id say half would be fun. Anymore than that and id go insane and paranoid.
 
Half a tab is about my limit for not freaking out. That said, I've been on 2 hits at Dreamworld (with a bunch of mates) and that was just tops. That said, I did freak out. A bit. Until my friend got a hold of me and helped me chill out.

If your plan involves not acting weird in public, limit yourself to half a tab.

Of course, YMMV ;)
 
Got some questions about LSD?

Why not just ask the Bear at EGA.
http://www.entheo.net/2009speakers.htm

"By conservative estimates, Bear Research Group made more than 1.25 million doses of LSD between 1965 and 1967, essentially seeding the entire modern psychedelic movement" - Joel Selvin

Bio
Considered by many as one of the legends of the sixties counterculture, Bear Stanley denies his heroic status, and spends his days working on various sculptures and writing essays on subjects such as the importance of carbon dioxide, the primary and only ‘plant food’, to the expansion of food crops and life on earth. Fair and equitable taxation (equal and low percentage on all ‘income), a proper runoff method to determine the results of elections, and how to unify and balance lawmaking. Writing laws in ordinary language rather than legalese. Including ‘sunset clauses’ to allow change to adjust to the rapid changes in today’s world-- amongst others. He is renowned for his contribution to sound engineering, particularly working with live gig iconoclasts, the Grateful Dead, and perfecting the idea of on-stage monitors and high quality PA’s. A tireless archivist, he kept a ‘diary’ of his front-of-house mixes, including hundreds of Grateful Dead performances, and has seen the release of a number of albums from his “sonic journal” tapes of PA mixes. Bear was a minor participant in the Acid Tests of Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters. He was the first underground cook to produce high-purity LSD in the 1960s, when it was legal, including the famous White Lightning and Monterey Purple. Bear Stanley now lives in Australia.
 
Yeah I've had up to 2 in public. Which was quite fun. Didn't have to communicate with any non-trippers though.

Dose low and it will be great.
 
hi guys, i have a question to ask, it might sound silly, but i want to get some other opinions on this.

I am planning to take acid on saturday morning at a hotel we have booked for the w/e. It will just be me, a very very good mate and another good mate coming down from queensland. The problem is, i have been fucking my mates (the one from queensland) ex gf. She was my ex before they had even met, and when we broke up they got together (i didnt mind). However, if my friend found out about whats been going on, he will get pretty annoyed. While im tripping, will i start to feel guilty (i dont know if i do or not, sometimes yes, sometimes no) and go down the dark side?
 
^Hard to tell. Psychedelics will definitely dredge stuff like that up from your subconscious. That being said, if they weren't together I don't see why you should feel guility. "Rules" like that among mates are bullshit IMO, although I can see the reasoning behind it.

No-one can tell you if you'll feel guilty and freak out because of it though, that depends on you.
 
thanks. I know nobody can tell me if ill feel guilty or not, im just wanted to see other peoples opinions.
 
heya permastoned, for the sake of making sure that there is correct information on this board i would be interested in your evidence to support this, i asked this psychiatrist about LSD in combination with the irreversible MAOI that was asked about. I also think that it may be a bit brash to generalise all psychedelics as being safe to take with MAOI and not in the spirit of harm reduction.

iave read a few research papers that all indicate the release of both serotonin and dopamine- might be worthwhile getting phase dancer out for this discussion
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Sorry, I agree that my statement was a bit too broad, because MDMA can be considered a psychedelic and you should definitely not take a MAOI with MDMA.

I am referring to the classic psychedelics, i.e. those working through activation of the 5-HT2a receptor, such as LSD, DO*, Mescaline, Psilocybin etc.

It is well established that these psychedelics work through activation of the 5-ht2a receptor, and not through the release of serotonin. So rather than me finding you evidence, it would be easier for you to show me evidence of psychedelics acting through the release of serotonin. This is because it is harder for me to find evidence saying that they don't, because it is quite well known that they don't, and as such this is not often investigated.

There is a chance that DO*, as an amphetamine, can release very small amounts of serotonin and dopamine. But it is active in such low doses that this occurs to a negligible extent. I have taken DO* on MAOIs before with no ill consequences.
 
KetaKink said:
While im tripping, will i start to feel guilty (i dont know if i do or not, sometimes yes, sometimes no) and go down the dark side?
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I personally would talk to him beforehand (while not tripping of course) and sort it out! I just purely for the fact that you had to post something, you are feeling guilty. I think it depends on how guilty you feel as to whether you can put it to the back of your mind and dismiss it or if it will blow out to something big.

I think it would be best to sort it out first. LSD puts you in a vulnerable state. I personally wouldn't want something looming over my head whilst tripping.
 
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