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Life Suspended - the madness of UK Drug Treatment

The current government are making mistakes they should have learnt in the eighties.
No with the current cuts to the voluntary sector whilst at the same time banging on about a 'big society' funding for things like DM prescibing is not in our favour.
BUT all movements have to start somewhere. The 100 odd signs the petition has had is frankly diabolical.
Were gonna need at least a couple of thousand to be taken seriously.
Every study ever done in DM Vs methadone/subs has shown people function much better on it. It's a no brainer.
They bang on about the cost. The fact they have to freezedry it (which is unnesacaery) and the 'worldwide shortage' of it.
It's supply and demand. There's farmers in the uk now growing poppies!
As I've said before. Id happily pay for a prescription over buying street heroin!

They used to prescribe DM laced cigarettes! It is or could easily be made into a smokeable form.

Spread the petition link anyway.

Being pessimistic about the possibility of change never got anyone anywhere.
They rely on our laxadasical, dint give a shit attitude enough as it is.
Take your methadone and be grateful your getting anything'
 
Being pessimistic about the possibility of change never got anyone anywhere.
They rely on our laxadasical, dint give a shit attitude enough as it is.
Take your methadone and be grateful your getting anything'
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Pessamisim and realisim. I do give a shit about my treatment but as i said i caught the end of injectable prescribing in my area and the people with the money/power are not gonna say , "yeah lets go back to the way we were doing it 14 years ago" cos then they are admiting that they are wrong . when was the last time you came across someone in Drug Treatment admiting to being wrong?
 
D'y'know I'm not entirely sure our common cynicism is in this rare instance justified.

I've been investigating the habits of addicts-in-treatment for 10 months now. On and off. But what an eyeopener. 70% on a methadone script regularly 'top up' with brown and a smaller percentage use their methadone exclusively to trade and for rainy days. Are the government aware of this absoidity? Do they also know diamorphine works - as yer man IzaBadger says, 45 convictions and beckoning careers as recidivists before, 0 for 20 years afterwards, tells its own story. And, yes, 5 of the Cambridge 8 are in work or OAP; 0 before.

So much is down to what info the men at the top receive. Frogatt obviously neglected to tell Maggie he was shooting up before advising her. Dopers are too indifferent to bother talking, writing or even signing a fucking petition. You get what you give, as Ringo said.
 
Of course the government and drug treatment services know most addicts either sell their meth script or use it purely as something to get them out of withdrawal long enough to go score some real drugs, Charlie. Everyone knows it. It's just that nobody cares cos whatever an addict does with his meth script doesn't really matter cos they're listed as being in treatment which proves how effective methadone prescribing is :\

Hopefully that petition will get enough signatures to have some hope of being noticed but when even people directly affected by it have given up (not aimed specifically at you Brimz cos you probably represent the majority of addicts' resignation to misery standpoint) and the rest of the world either doesn't care or thinks meth scripts are already being too generous, it will be hard going. It's the only petition I've signed for anything in my life believe it or not.
 
Shambles said:
Of course the government and drug treatment services know most addicts either sell their meth script or use it purely as something to get them out of withdrawal long enough to go score some real drugs, Charlie. Everyone knows it. It's just that nobody cares cos whatever an addict does with his meth script doesn't really matter cos they're listed as being in treatment which proves how effective methadone prescribing is :\

Hopefully that petition will get enough signatures to have some hope of being noticed but when even people directly affected by it have given up (not aimed specifically at you Brimz cos you probably represent the majority of addicts' resignation to misery standpoint) and the rest of the world either doesn't care or thinks meth scripts are already being too generous, it will be hard going. It's the only petition I've signed for anything in my life believe it or not.
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Got some time on me hands gonna write a letter to my MP . Can't do any harm n he is a Lib. Dem. I'll keep u guys updated as to any response i get.
 
Good, good. Will be interesting to see how he responds to that - if he even bothers to respond to that :\

Would be great if everyone did the same really. My local MP was Lembit Opik until the Tories kicked him out this year. Suspect I'd have had more luck with Lembit. He must have dabbled when he was shagging Cheeky Girls surely :D

Don't even know the name of the Tory cunt we have MPing here now but sure I could find out and see what he has to say on the matter...
 
Shambles said:
Good, good. Will be interesting to see how he responds to that - if he even bothers to respond to that :\

Would be great if everyone did the same really. My local MP was Lembit Opik until the Tories kicked him out this year. Suspect I'd have had more luck with Lembit. He must have dabbled when he was shagging Cheeky Girls surely :D

Don't even know the name of the Tory cunt we have MPing here now but sure I could find out and see what he has to say on the matter...
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Mnes Don Foster one of the more crediple Lib De MPs .
Just thought i'd update on the situation with my "Treatment"
I saw my Key worker for about 15 mins 14 days ago n as i asid he was really pissed off , i got the impressoin he miaght even quit , anyeat he;s been on sick leave ever since.
So for me that means that in28 days I have had 15 mins of chatting and nothing else yet i've been given 3 contolled drugs on prescription one Meth a nd a nother a 2 different benzos. on Weekly .
Ok i have earned these privillages by giving clean screens etc. but thats alot of substances2 give out with no real dialogue beetween pacient and presbiber.
I ' m not complaining about this , but i think it shoes how inconsist tent "Treatment " is Nationwide.
So my next appt wil be in 14 days(if hes back) so that will be 42 days n 15 mins chatting 8o
Shambles i'll Pm ya copyof the letter when i post it , would value input , Charlie if u might be any 2 give me some word s of wisdom it would be appreciated pal.
Right lets get this done , it's either that or clean the car and it's cold and the cars fithy.
 
Just one Phonecall

Just one phonecall to my local MP , was all it has taken for me to arrange a private surgery with him.
In under three weeks i see him.
I had to tell the lady that answered te phone (His secretary) what i wated to talk about and i informed her "Drug Addiction & Mental Health" and she had was non judgemental.
This should be intresting.
I voted for him thre times to stop the tory s getting in so he has to listen to me!! . it worked we ousted Chris Patten ages ago , then he was made the last Governer of Hong Kong:D
 
Nice work Brimz. Hope it goes well.

The response of his secretary is pretty encouraging at least. People usually run a mile at 'mental health', let alone 'DRUGS'!
 
Tried to post this twice. Must be them BL gremlins. Third time lucky?

Way to go, Brimz!

The Lib Dems are on the lookout for something to do apart from carrying Dave's Blackberry. Drug Treatment is both small and hot potatos and a great, if hidden vote winner. An awful lot of people have been touched by drugs, one way or another. Solve this problem and others may incidentally become less unsurmountable.

Our Lib Dem MP is a frighteningly quick-witted first timer. He grasped the issues involved here at once and was both interested and sympathetic. Unfortunately, the second time I saw him I was all ovsr the place on interferon, hopefully not enough to make the nutters lists that every MP now keeps as diligently as his receipts. An inspiredly self-interested user supplanted their personal difficulties onto the now established point of principle an go their script returned after the MP's intervention. A subsequent procession of shabbily dressed constiutents, each demanding he exercise his democratci mandate and get their handouts back too, may have made him wish he hadn't bothered. But the door remains open.

An interesting 'Moral Maze' the other night. 10 years ago, there was concern the charities of ther 'voluntary sector' might be obliged to follow government-dictated policy. Now, especially since some charities became rather large corporations, the worry is that they dictate policy to government. Pros from various vested intertests diverted the discussion into suitably cosmetic areas but the central question remains. And ought to interest the Lib Dems. I-player it, Brimz and others with a more than half sharp MP, see what you think.

A front page article on the role of rehabs on the front page of 'Addiction Today'. We apparently live in a changing demographic. New Age users are not accustomed to thinking for themselves and require 100 helpers to get through the other side of withdrawal. They say " I gotta get into rehab" not "I've gotta come off drugs". Maybe it's a plastic-world back to the womb thing. Statistics are of course pliable, but the percentage who achieve lasting abstinence via the rehab route remains stubbornly the same as those who do it alone. You pays your money and you fakes your opinion. But who pays for the rehab boys' detached houses? Take a wild stab in the dark. Think what Drug Treatment could achieve with £250,000,000 a year if it was rid of the bollocks.

Parliament is where it's at and the Lib Dems hold the coalition key to a locked House. They are keen to be the progressive, thinking party and this is the Big Society. It's just a matter of common interest - learn the political lingo and moonscape - and appropriate instruction. Like with a solicitor. Chances are your MP will never have thought about Drug Treatment before. Possibly, you'll need to correct some fears regarding Dopesville arcania. Check out the drug service providers' web sites in the light of your own experience. Once you guide your MP through the bollocks, he should catch on. Know where you're going, what you're going to say (yeah). Drop the idea, join the dots and show the new statesmen where to run with it. A little lead from the opiate front line and the fantastic four of Don, Julien, Dylan fan Norman and Mike will bring sanity to UK Drug Treatment before the next election. Who said I must be on drugs?
 
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Nice one Charlie , i think you summed up the Lib Dems current situation pretty much .
My MP is on his Fourth term and very well liked ( believe it or not! ).
His big acheivement was ousting the tory Mr Patten , who then had to go n be Governer of Hong Kong ,well they looked after him anyway.
It was quite a big shock when the Libs got in , this is afterall a "Consatvitive City" in many ways .
Mr Foster will not want to rock the boat i would imagine , but i'll be looking forward to seeing him.
 
(fwiw, here's my lost reply too)

charlie clean said:
They say " I gotta get into rehab" not "I've gotta come off drugs". Maybe it's a plastic-world back to the womb thing.
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Brilliant.

Think what Drug Treatment could achieve with £250,000,000 a year if it was rid of the bollocks.
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Is it ring-fenced? If not, they'll just use it to blow something/someone up.

I'm still thinking Charlie...still thinking 'burn' actually, but still thinking...
 
Liking that letter on your site, Sids. Hopefully will make it all the simpler for lazyfuck junkies (and non-junkies too ideally) to just add their name and send it off. Will probably make a few changes to personalise it myself but an excellent base to start from that really doesn't need changing for those who would like to show maximum support for minimum effort. Nice job :)

Also, think the online petition needs a lil bump. Been three days since anyone signed it and only a measly 102 signatures so far. One small step for the casual Supporter of Sense & Decency, one giant leap for Junkykind. Well, a small shuffle in the right direction at least. Come on - push your plungers down and pull your fingers out please, folks :)
 
Still Totally Mad

I 'm soo wound up atm cos of this i can't even create o coherent post about it .
Put this way my recent experiences with Treatment have been so0 frustrating:!
 
brimz said:
I 'm soo wound up atm cos of this i can't even create o coherent post about it .
Put this way my recent experiences with Treatment have been so0 frustrating:!
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Fear not! Never doubt the force of the will.

Mere coincidence 3 Scottish Lib Dems and a dog had their diamorphine motion passed at Perth? I think not. This thing is bigger than all of us. You've been scooped up to translate for the rising star, Brimz, you've been hit by one of its falling meatballs. Blow on your fingers and brush your lapels.

Feel proud and you're fucked. You have to have lost your ego to join the big ego trip. Discharge your duties honorably - may be handy to have Morpheus as a mate one day - and point the Hon member in the right direction. The Ancients keep disembodied spirits and scientologists away from the opiate all stars and you-that-is-not-you can do it.

A nation waits.
 
Squeaky bum weekend for injectable addicts. After along wait we learn the results of the 2nd opinions and how it will 'impact on our treatment regime' on Monday. After 11 months of lives suspended it'll be lives continued or lives fucked. For the survivors. One has died already and two in and out of hospital from shooting street to make up for reduced scripts.

We each saw the 2nd opinions for about 45 minutes. Any decisions will be made on the basis of what's in our 'files'. Those of you in Drug Treatment know what an accurate representation of your life and lifestyle they can be. God knows on what basis these things are determined.

When you thinkj about it, the addict in treatment is shafted everywhichway. If they talk, they're manipulators; if they don't they're unresponsive. If they complain, they're fishing for sympathy; if they're happy they're in denial. If nice, they're trying emotional blackmail; if not, they're unpleasant. They're compulsive liars who live off the dole and crime. They're helped to come off, to "get clean", not helped. Stick 'em into Uncle Brtie's rehab and bill a compliant government. As my 'key' gleefully tells me, times they are a-changing and the nasties are in the ascendancy. Who gives a shit for heroin addicts? Better put those acid mutants against a wall, too, lest they infect our children with their crazy love'n'peace nonsense.

Ah well. We'll see what Monday brings.
 
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