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Life Suspended - the madness of UK Drug Treatment

Just come back from seeing mine too. Similar story - they've just been bought up by some corporate entity so "streamlining" is looking likely. Apparently they ended up with the better of the two interested companies though. The other lot's big idea was to replace their carpets with lino apparently...

As with Brimz and pretty much everybody else who sees a drugs counsellor very little happens really. But she did bring up the idea of switching my treatment from my GP to a pain clinic which sounds promising to me. Might turn out better than expected for once. Maybe.
 
this is true - i know an addiction recovery counselor who peddles cocaine .
she is a mess, completely damaged goods !

the methadone program social worker that i had to see weekly did cause me to get the monkey off my back . not by virtue of her worthlessness but because it was so humiliating to have my life questioned . for this old man kicking was hard but i regained my integrity and that, in the final analysis, is my worth .

i have only experience with that methadone maintainence set up and court mandated group drug/alc sessions . that was all crap as are mandated AA sessions . from what i read here and knowing one woman that went to a corporate recovery racket joint . i have not missed anything .

i can't remember missing a shift when in the throws of the physical and mental hell that kicking a long term habit . fuck - work was one of the distractions that got me through it .

i wish you brothers struggling with the system in the UK can get through their hoops .

if mr. clean reads this - i certainly would take you up on the beer offer . sadly i can't imagine traveling very far from my homestead in this day and age . the reciprocal of your offer exists should you visit this remote part of the world . we could have a beer while torching my lazy ass neighbor's gorse patch .
 
Nice stuff, hop head. On another thread, Monsta is calling on you to torch London and your Nam tales sent me wandering down my own memory lane.

I was in Paris as a sallow yoof of 18 or so. The cheap residential hotel in I which lived was also a home from home for a dozen or so US Army deserters. Most had decamped from Germany just before they were due in theatre but a few had flown directly in from Saigon. I heard their conflict horror stories over joints of powerful Afghani hash and laughed at their largely atrocious French. Mainly I thought how dreadful and thanked the Lord the British had abolished conscription. The deserters were a mixed bunch. Two of the Harry Lime types drew a stretch in the Sante after a botched stick-up and others sold poor deals on the Boulevard. But there were some good, sensitive fellas amongst them who plain couldn't understand why their government had loused up their lives in such a fashion, why they'd had to choose between murdering gooks or fugitive status. Rather corrupted young men's humanity. I was going to lend one my passport so he could get into the more secure sanctuary of Sweden but a more worldly French hooker who'd taken a shine to me vetoed the idea.

I often wonder what became of them all. Carter's amnesty permitted the draft dodgers living in Canada a belated homecoming but the deserters were seen as a different category. It's more un-American to go, not like it and leg it than not to go at all. Americans got where they are today by staying ahead. Did Vietnam deserters finally receive a blanket pardon? I never read about it and would hate to think of those Iowa farmboys growing old in Gothenburg.

Jesus, your 'withdrawal' stories caused a shiver to run up this narcoticised spine. I remember the line being full of dancing sprites as I struggled to co-ordinate my aching limbs and fill my quota after six or seven sleepless nights. Most unprecious memories. All power to you for getting through.

Yeah, it occurred to me as well that the intrusive invasions of klutzy counsellors provide a fair incentive to get off. I took to the dope to escape people like this. But a certain stubborness told hold over the last nine months - I believe Viktor Frankl explains the phenomenon in one of his perceptive tomes. When my 'key ( quasi counsellor, licenced nurse now redirected into parole-officer role ) wanted the name of my next-of-kin, I resisted the temptation to tell her what to do with what's none of her business. Instead, I gave my sweet-natured ex's Columbian address, and said she'd pay big for bereavement counselling come the unhappy hour. Chalita's sharp enough to catch on and I trust she'll be grateful for the opportunity to supplement her pension by selling a woozie to the FARQ.

But I'm curious. As I alluded, my private inclination before this affair was to less dope. I'd scoured NA and similar to find anyone of a comparable addiction duration who'd successfully come off. I wanted to know how long it was before they refound their 'natural energy' and were themselves again - at 60 and with a lot still to do, it hardly seems sensible to leave it till my seventies. But alas I found no-one. Any thoughts, Hop?

Appreciate the reciprocal invite. Would like to chew the dozens and hear your comparisons between Nam and present-day US foreign conflicts. I loved Oregon but it's more than 30 years since I enjoyed a bourbon and chaser in any of its colourful bars. You'd have to produce the id, I still look n-n-nineteen, btw. But it's a rum situation. You're unlikely to leave the homestead for distant English shores and I suspect I'll wait a long time for Obama to relax the ban on my entering the US with the diamorphine in my pocket. Bit of an impasse, what? A tip of the cyberspaceman's hat till happier times.

Not much happening here. We presume more limbo, certainly till the 2nd opinions have delivered their opinions. I was kinda hoping what's gone down here, the implication that demanding oldtimers help in their own effective exptirpation is the logical conclusion to 40 years of failed treatment modalities, might open up a broader debate. That after 9 months, it might give birth to an inspired idea, wake a sleeping tiger of sense. Mine would appear perfect analogy for general addict experience and, even if treatment Canutes retreat from a belief we can come off because they want it, it still seems fucking insanity. Refusing heroin addicts legal heroin on 'moral grounds', instead giving them a methadone habit on top and drawing more governemnt loot to 'help' them kick it is at best quite barmy, as we say here.

But you know addicts. Too stoned, too self-pityingly centred, totally a-political. Guess we all live our lives according to our lights and junkies tend to be a bit scared of the sun. It doesn't shine so bright for the rest of UK citzenry nowadays but that's a bigger issue. I hope the thread stays alive.
 
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Again I ask - is everyone laying down to be shafted some more or are there any good ideas out there?


I'm laying down - to me I'd rather starve than beg at the the governments table again.
Pain clinics, which have been mentioned, may be a realistic way forward, the way I see it is that change of label would alter the statistics regarding drug addiction which the government would would see as politically beneficial to themselves, presumably they don't want a crime wave so the option of doing nothing would most likely be seen as a negative to them.
I have a feeling that this government, even moreso than others previously, is sending out feelers and weighing the response - which isn't necessarily a stupid thing to do, it might even be smart of them. The smart thing to do is to respond in a way that suits both parties - by that I mean junkies & government not the Whigs & Tories
 
I'd just like to comment on the Corporate DSP's popping up across the country this was only brought to my attention Friday when out of the blue I received a phone call from a new 'Key worker', the jist of the conversation was that as I had not seen a worker for over a year can I come in for a chat about a new script (addict not currently scripted). Jesus are they that desperate for a living that they have to peddle scripts onto addicts, are they becoming pushers??
 
Charley C.,
Your predicament is so beyond the pale that there can hardly be a man that could opine on what tossing the yoke off would be like in your shoes .
I was shut of the gear before i was out of my 30's . There is hardly one among us that has so much as heard of a fellow that has been in harness half as long as yourself . Boggles the mind ! As diverse as the race is - there must be someone or another that has something informative to say to this .

best,
hobbs
 
Ah well, nobody's really interested. Who cares, it's only junkies ..... The situation of the opiate addict, UK, 2011, is not a million miles dissimilar from that the Jew, Germany, 1933.
Spot-on and thank you for having the courage to say this. The Nazi holocaust wasn't the worst thing that ever happened in history, and it certainly isn't the worst thing that ever will happen. All it takes in order to perpetrate a great evil with the blessing of society at large, is to convince a majority that some minority are less than human. And today, drug addicts are definitely being treated as untermenschen.

Part of the problem is the idea that "being drug-free" is a desirable thing per se. I am not sure that it is. Prohibition has messed everything up, and most of the social problems associated with "drug use" are really due to (1) people knowing they are already breaking one law and so having fewer qualms about breaking others (especially with lesser penalties); (2) dealers selling poor-quality product at inflated prices because they know the penalty is no worse; (3) users occasionally chancing upon a batch that is purer than they expected, and overdosing. The use of injection as a delivery method -- it may be the most efficient one in terms of getting the maximum amount of dope into the bloodstream, which becomes the prime concern when prices are inflated, but it makes it very easy accidentally to overdose; (4) people being deterred from seeking help at an early stage because they do not want to embarrass themselves or betray their friends.

Somewhere in my stash of old VHS recordings is a cassette with a (kids') TV series about a future chocolate ban, and the consequences. It should have been required viewing for everyone who thinks that drug prohibition achieves anything. The premise is, a few years into the future, the British government bans chocolate for the common good. Incidents are depicted such as people buying badly-adulterated illegal chocolate, and a criminal gang taking over a small unauthorised chocolate production operation. When I watched it, I was naïve enough to think that people would understand what it meant, but it seems that even then the prohibitionist propaganda machine was working hard.

We should be punishing junkies who steal to feed their habit more for the stealing than for the possession; but there are people who really believe that taking drugs and harming nobody but yourself (and even then, not very much; opiates, if not adulterated, are similar to naturally-occurring chemicals in the body) is worse than stealing from others. We should be grateful that someone is looking to moderate their use at all and offering them discreet help, not forcing them to discontinue it altogether and turn their connections in to the authorities while parading them around as an example. We should be punishing dealers who adulterate the product they sell much more harshly than those who don't. But if you try that, somebody out there will say "No, I want there to be that danger. It's right that junkie scum should risk dying every time they score. It should be there to deter people."

They have managed to convince themselves that junkies are not human beings. And there's also an entire industry devoted to getting fat off all this. To them, we're not human beings; we are a mere means to an end.

Now, with thanks to Shakespeare and the power of sed(1):
Hath not a junkie eyes? Hath not a junkie hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a non-junkie is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
 
I'd just like to comment on the Corporate DSP's popping up across the country this was only brought to my attention Friday when out of the blue I received a phone call from a new 'Key worker', the jist of the conversation was that as I had not seen a worker for over a year can I come in for a chat about a new script (addict not currently scripted). Jesus are they that desperate for a living that they have to peddle scripts onto addicts, are they becoming pushers??

Doubt you'll find they're pushing a script on you but, yes, incredible as it may appear, you've enjoyed a business solcitation. To help. Incidentally to make money. If you're cynical help to make money. That, unbelievably, is the new way of the corporate charities sweeping through UK Drug Treatment like carpetbaggers moving in on the post-bellum American South. The drug user is there to help their drug service provider, what out-of-date users quaintly call 'the clinic'. Think about it. Find its name, check out its web site, draw your own conclusions. Remember everyone wants to help.

Hops, less in harness than in service to the gentle poppy. Riding, only ocassionally pulling a fine white horse. Aint I the Romantic? But watch its frail petals blowing in the wind and ask whether maybe it serves the same things you'd hope to. Any answer to "what became of the Nam deserters"? Dunno what happs in Oregon nowadays, ashamed to say I don't even know who's governor.
 
we are still a democratically leaning state . ted kulongoski is fairly well entrenched up in salem .

i don't think that more than a handful of viet nam deserters did much more than a small bit in fort levenworth's military prison . the vast majority of the public in those years were if not out right against the war, then aghast at the body bags bags being shown on the tv news clips .

teens that got drafted then, if they had progressive parents that were not poverty stricken, would be sent to psychologists or psychiatrists that would find various and sundry reasons why these youngsters were unfit for military service .

others, as you mentioned previously mentioned, returned from canada while the pardons were being handed out by DC.

i met a deserted british army fellow in singapore while i was on the heroin trail . he had been in hiding for nearly a decade and didn't expect to be able to return to the UK.

that was precomputer days of course and fictitious IDs were easy to obtain and held up to everyday scrutiny . of that fact i am genuinely certain . first hand knowledge you see .

so the answer to your question charlie is that for the most part, the deserters were papered over by history .
 
Thanks, hobs, hope all the kids I knew in Paris are now safely home and bouncing milk-fed grandchildren on their dodgy knees.

Awful lot of things papered over by a kind of historical revisionism, ain't that the truth.

Lummee, such is the BL turnover that, if nobody responds to a thread, within 24 hours it sinks into the oblivion of Page 2. Obliges the equivilant of the record company shill buying up every copy of particular records at NME chart stores, if that practice isn't too historical for modern-times recognition.

Not a lot happening here. Still await reply to letter requesting appointment with corp consultant. Six weeks the average wait. What happened to the days when you could drop in the clinic and speak with the consultant pretty quickly after you took a mind to do so? More of that historical stuff? Or are addicts considered deserving of neither promptness or politeness by the company boys who determine their futures? What a world we bequeath our babies - conform or be excoriated, one way or the other.

Ah well, a couple of charity plugs and maybe old Chas' thread 'll top two thousand views....
 
when you understand the demographics of BL's population - you will understand that geezers typing to geezers ain't hit parade .

i would suppose, from what i perceive reading the various posts, is that median age is below 30 years .
 
Quite, Hops. Kids today, huh? Bring back conscription! A week in the Central Highlands battling pissed-off little fellas in black pyjamas and conical hats invisible over the elephant grass would straighten the buggers out. Once they've been on the wrong end of UK manufactured automatic weapons they'll never say "blew me head off" in quite the same fashion again.

Geezers! Nice grasp of our English vernacular, btw. Between you and me and cyberspace, boring bastards aren't they? (or 'innit' if you really want to get UK downhome 2011.) Vinnie Jones doing his Brando on the big screen is sorta entertaining but having the fucks strut their boastful stuff in your front room? Forget it. There's Hello magazine if you're impressed by that shit.

So how may we elders of the Opiate All Stars guide our recalcitrant yoof? Unlike the other OAS we can't gunpoint them in the right direction. The Opiate All Stars are strictly love and peace. The means are as the ends. No destroying to create. More a matter of refurbishing existing structures, political and personal alike, in a synchronistic concord of awakening. When you look about at stressed-out governments thinking to keep the show on the road by extending the Age of Imperialism well beyond its sell-by, you appreciate it's long overdue. The killers have had their day. The sun is rising on a new dawn. Must soon come.

Of course, shooting up, past or presently, is not an obligation for All Stars membership. All that's required is awareness of a certain idea. Of the value of life, of the way homo sapiens is going to have to behave. Or else lose the planet, his host to be sapiens upon. Actually, shooting up the kind of junk that's on the street today is rather counter-indicative to the idea of clear thought at all. But the plight of 300,000 excoriated UK subjects and something like 200,000,000 hopheads worldwide isn't. They provide example of what happens to those citizens who aren't entirely content with approved ways of thinking and seek the freedom to investigate their own psyches. No blame, as they say, perseverance furthers.

Turning Drug Treatment around may just be the way pour encourager les autres. And what I read on this and similar sites makes me think you don't have to be on drugs to believe it can now be done. By those who know what it's all about showing those who don't. By their no longer being bamboozled into stoned silence or hiding in the elephant grass. One small step for the junkies, one giant leap for public awareness. Once the masses appreciate 'drugs' do not necessarily a thieving piece of garbage make, they can apply the new acid test to other popular misconceptions.

So, come on everybody! C'mon you fresh-faced youngsters who stumble across this thread on your way to the heroin or LSD gossip, pull your finger out. No more applying the recommended cosmetics. No more designer jeans to splice up your image, no worrying about how to get laid. A nation looks to your youthful energies and you, too, can do a lot better than this. Do as Charlie says and no longer follow leaders. No more of the pale imitation, you are the celebrities here.

Older chaps and chapesses with a few more years in, do a Maclaren or express your kinda love in whatever art form you're best at. But not for the bread. The money economy provides only a temporary retreat for the cynicism of perception, making yourself more comfortable in your misery is rather a consolation prize. Now is the season gently to show folks your garden. Pass on a few seeds, They grow quickly in the right climate.

Children of the revolution of all ages, be it now. Your country needs you and with an exclamation point. Life is fun from birth to death. If you want it. Let's be done with laid-back nihilism and stop Germany from rearming. Let's dance and romance, Romantics, let's full tilt boogie. For the Opiate All Stars and to the stars.
 
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Children of the revolution of all ages, be it now. Your country needs you and with an exclamation point. Life is fun from birth to death. If you want it. Let's be done with laid-back nihilism and stop Germany from rearming. Let's dance and romance, Romantics, let's full tilt boogie. For the Opiate All Stars and to the stars.

Geez, chas - d'ya really think poking around in here with a stick isn't a waste of time?

You mentioned that thing about not following leaders because your leader said not to.

Take your eloquence somewhere worthwhile. People need leaders.

Say the word and we'll meet you on the frontline.

""they got the guns but we got the numbers""
 
Naw, not really. I know dopers are, well, dopes, same as I know politicians can't be any use to anyone or they wouldn't be politicians. Comong back from a couple of days away to find this, the 'heroin on script' and similar threads relegated to the back pages just about clinches it. Trouble is, soon as you come out on 'straight' sites, discussion gets diverted along lines of 'but you can string a sentence together, what are you doing amongst the deadbeats?' and wellmeaning suggestions for 'cure'. Any ideas for alternate areas for internet forum endeavour greatly appreciated.

We live in an age of cosmetic appearance where thinking has gone distinctly out of fashion. Most prefer to let others do it for them. Hope the fella into whose pockets they deposit their brains for safekeeping is trustworthy. Free speech and possibly free will are hoaxes. So essentially is democracy. A civilisation dependent on the twin towers of arms and oil is not the zenith of our evolutionary potential. But it's the best we've got. Way people are nowadays, it'll be much, much worse when the balloon goes up. Let's hope it's not before Christmas. With God dead, we can't even fool ourselves we'll get our own back in heaven.

Walk in any town centre. The dumbos are in a 50-1 majority. Thank fuck for those who want only to be like those who don't want to be like every body else.

No purpose served in chasing the thread. 2,000 views, maybe a third read the posts? That'll do. Wish i was toasting the Pacific from hophead's hacienda. He wouldn't mind if it was with a shot of the pure but his customs officers would. So it goes. But I want the British System for British dug users. I believe there are some rather important principles at stake. Not to mention my rather unimportant life.

Yes, let me know of any sites you think may suit. I'll update as soon as there's any news of the fates of the Cantab injectabiles. It's been nearly a year now, we should know one way or the other soon. La lotta, as they say, continues. Love and peace, each.
 
2000+ views for a "serious" thread really isn't all that bad seeing as it's probably a bit of a minority viewpoint even amongst druggies, Charlie. What is it that you want to see? More folks adding their support in textual form or is it more a call to arms - Your Addicts Need YOU! to come skirmish on the frontlines of the War on Drugs instead of just nodding on the backburners? I'm sure there would be support for both but the issue would be what anybody could realistically (or even unrealistically) do that would make any difference. Words are nice, action would maybe be even nicer, but what to do with those words and where to even begin with action? That's the problem with leaderless revolutions - no cunt knows what to do usually.
 
2000+ views for a "serious" thread really isn't all that bad seeing as it's probably a bit of a minority viewpoint even amongst druggies, Charlie. What is it that you want to see? More folks adding their support in textual form or is it more a call to arms - Your Addicts Need YOU! to come skirmish on the frontlines of the War on Drugs instead of just nodding on the backburners? I'm sure there would be support for both but the issue would be what anybody could realistically (or even unrealistically) do that would make any difference. Words are nice, action would maybe be even nicer, but what to do with those words and where to even begin with action? That's the problem with leaderless revolutions - no cunt knows what to do usually.

Indeed, Shambles.

Your guess is as good as mine. There's already 'activists' holding conventions and issuing their press releases. But if they're changing anything it's happening slowly. Of course, a successful grant application can change the activists' income bracket but may also oblige a certain adherence to the established order. A thorny problem.

Like the image of volunteer suicide squads from BL blowing our dsp to smithereens if the decision goes against us but would doubtless balk at the reality. Maybe membership of the Opiate All Stars is a state of mind.? Fuck lists and regisistration, petitions and verbal lobby. Too much fugging effort for the lads on the corner. Everybody transcend and focus, send a concentrated thought wave of such energy to blow open the doors to a sane government policy. Sure, perhaps on Tuesday. But best I can offer. Be of elevated countenance and remember minds were made to be blown, inifintely preferrably with humour.
 
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Haven't been on BL much in the last coupla weeks, so is the 1st time i've had chance to write on here

It's a disgrace how users are treated, worse than rapists, murderers & kiddy fiddlers..they have more human rights than we do, ffs how the fuck did that happen? where are our human rights? what? we don't have any? well what a sodding surprise :X

I'm sick of the way we are teated as cannon fodder, to them we are just dispensable garbage :X:X:X:X:X:X:X

I don't know if petitions really make any difference, but by signing it which takes all of about 10 seconds, i like to think i've at least tried

petition link>

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nomoremethadone/signatures

Not many ppl have signed this, maybe because most on here smoke the gear, & think that prescribing diamorphine mean nothing to them as they don't want to start injecting, & rightly so. AFAIK smokable diamorphine can be administered as well. So get signing ppl!

I can't believe the way you've been treated charlie, it's an absolute disgrace. They know it makes sense to prescribe diamorphine, but this world is so corrupt the fat cats are just blinded by greed, too much money to be made from drugs, oil and guns :X8o:X8o:X8o:X
 
... and heroin replacement drugs ;)

Lets face it the present Govt. are not gonna start giving out Diamorphine scripts to everyone thats on Methadone or Subutex .
It's a shame cos i would be one of the 1st in the que , both physically and under the presribing guidlines. But financially and logistically it's just not gonna happen. I would love 2 be more positive about this , but realisticly the damage has been done to Drug Treatment in the UK ages ago.
As i mentioned earlier i have tried to be pro active , to no availe. I have been involved in treatment for over 15 years and just caught the end of Injectable Methadone scripts in my area .
In the current financial climate , under a Tory (Lets face it the Lib Dems are a joke atm) there is no way that Heroin is gonna made availible to more than a select few on pilot schemes or people like Charlie who have had a DM script for a number of years n he's getting pretty fuked over atm as he has so eloquently informed us. I hope your 2nds are favourable Charlie.
it pains me to say this but i just can't see any changes for the positive. Sometimes you have to be cynical about sensitive issues and i'm afraid this is one of them.
yeah i have signed the petition btw
 
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