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Legless Man Kills Girlfriend.

I never said the whole population, I said the majority. The majority of Indian cab drivers are more than happy to talk cricket, is that racist? No its true. I'm drawing on a large enough pool of white South Africans to be conclusive in my opinion of them.
 
I'd have to double-check the post but it came over to me as racist and was reported as being racist so got treated as being racist. I'm sure it's not a big enough deal for either of us to give that much of a toss about.
 
Yeah I'm not too fussed either way.

I'm probably racist but definitely not in a KKK way. All Indians should be interested in the cricket, most Italian men I've known spend far too long living with their mothers and I'd trust an Englishman to roll a spliff over any American.

If I see a midget walking along the street I consider it a good luck omen. Are dwarfs a race?
 
OTW is NOT racist. Many other things, yes, but NOT racist. I've seen him defend anti-racism against boguns (is that the word, no? Aussies then) over in Aus forum who were being explicitly racist and enjoying their majority opinion. It took guts to stick up for anti-racism in that thread.

Whoever reported him, don't be a twat. I'm certainly not saying OTW is 'alright', I disagree vehemently with much of what he says. But the guy is NOT racist.
 
This OTW is a racist patter is pretty funny. I had no idea South African was a race. But if it is, they're mainly a race of cunts. The white male ones anyway. Cunts. I should know, I've met a grand total of about 6 of the fuckers. One of them is sound - the other five are dickheads.

Pistorius certainly viewed life as cheap and guns as toys. Now, maybe, just maybe he's a victim of a violent, paranoid, misogynistic, racist "culture" (faute de mieux). But at the end of the day, he deserves to take at least some responsibility, for just listening blindly to it and not thinking for himself enough. There are plenty of other people who don't go around killing.

The most charitable interpretation of the events that are not in dispute is still that, by firing a gun through a closed door, he recklessly endangered a person's life with a firearm. One of the most basic rules of a civilised society is, nobody can be punished by death for a crime against mere property. Property is worth less than the life of the burglar trying to steal it -- always.

Even although it may have been a dreadful mistake (and the evidence really isn't pointing thataway), he did kill another human being. And for that, he surely deserves a custodial sentence. If not for his own sake, for the sake of others who might see it and think No, this is not what I want my life to be.

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but if Oscar really had shot a black burglar we wouldn't even be talking about it. Probably wouldn't even have went to court.
 
If you had a big burglar taking a dump in your toilet before coming in to rape the wife and kill you then perhaps you'd be justified in pumping 4 bullets through the door tho. Black or white.
 
Is it racist to suggest that the majority of White South Africans are tolerate of the black population?

No but its racist to say - Most white South Africans are right cunts.

I have White South African friends IRL, most of the White South Africans I know personally are very nice people. I would certainly not allow you to call them cunts IRL and I'm certainly not going to allow you to do so on here. If however the White South Africans that you have met are 'right cunts' then that is your opinion to share if you really wish.
 
"Come out the toilet ya burgling bastard. I might have no legs but I've called the cops and I've got a big ass gun. Wipe your bum and get out here pronto and I might not shoot you"

Job done. No-one dead.

Right you have a gun at your bedside - there is somebody in your bathroom and you have full sight of the door. You wake your partner up - switch on the light and point gun at door? At worst there going to steal your razors, shampoo and bodywash? If they open the door you shoot to kill (I would) - I would not wake up, crawl to the door, have a listen at the door, go back to the bed, get my gun creep back to the door, have another listen and open fire (not putting on a light, not checking on the person who was lying next to you in bed)

If your in a relationship the only thing you think about in this scenario Are they ok = yes, next?
 
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Sod that muderous dick! His story pongs like a "long drop". You can google that term ;)

This is much more entertaining. Lets go back to accusing OTW of racism after he described quite accurately the racism of White South Africans! We can't even say Boers (which would be racist because boers are a "race"), because I've met Boers who are absolute gentlemen towards both their black workers, black friends & creepy little foreign hippy rasta's who're lost in the bush! There are some British-through-decent White South Africans who are as racist as any extremist, seperatist Boer right winger.

To me, going to the Cape a few years ago, my first trip back to Africa since the late 90's, was like going back in time. All the white Africans that cannot stand black African rule have all, it seemed to me, filtered down to that gorgeous strip of land running between Cape Town & Port Elizabeth, called the Garden Route. We effectively lived in Cape Town for 6 weeks. We stayed in a run-down back-packing lodge, with lots of local colour, not some white suburb. We were halfway between a white suburb & a black suburb. We witnessed some violence by local coloureds, (including what looked to my untrained eye like a murder scene ie a large, deep pool of blood) but you wont see me accusing "most coloureds" of being violent. I might say that most coloureds have a far better sense of dress than any other demographic in the Cape, but that would be a bit racist, wouldn't it? The rest of the population wear a walking nightmare combo of grim old shorts & check shirts. Yeah, the check shirt, it fucking survived the 70's & is alive & well roaming the deserted wastelands of "mens fashion" in South Africa. I shit you not! Redneck might be a nice way to describe the attitude of the fat, drunken, local white men. Neanderthals might be another term, only it defames neanderthals. They looked at us hippies, wandering into pizza joints in places like Knysna, as if we were lower than amoeba to them. It's always interesting up-fronting with these sorts, y'know, once I see them gazing grimly over or clearly talking about us, I invite the fucktards into the conversation, they're listening anyway right? Most of the time they wouldn't lower themselves to communicate with us scum, & would mutter unpleasantries in Afrikaans once they hear I'm English. Hahaha I know enough words in Afrikaans to know whats being said about me. One couple were quite pleasant after our tables coincided, actually, very pleasnt, it was Christmas, but on their way out I heard him say the words "kaffir lover" in English to his wife, under his breath. I hadn't said a word about Kaffirs, nor about any other SA political or social demographic or indeed anything political at all. There's no point rubbing them up the wrong way, & this guy, for once, clearly wasn't stupid, he must've seen the heart I wear on my sleeve.

The one incident that almost drew me to react with aggression, & funnily, I was tripping on DOC at the time, was in Kirstenbosch Gardens in January. A white family were slowly making their way up a hill towards a concert that was starting up. The music was an odd cross-breed of Classical, Opera & West Indian callypso that was disturbing us somewhat, so we were making our way at greater pace in the oppoite direction. The following actions by the male cunt of the family may well have been for my benefit, but I was havin a riot, so I didn't really notice the prick until he... He walked up to an African carving, a tall black woman carved out of stone, & he said down to his toddlers in that thick fucking accent, "now thiz iz yow we treat or blick leaders yey kids", & he slapped the sculpture across the face & carried on with his walk. It made me very angry, it can't be difficult to breed a racist kid in SA, but indoctrination at such an age, in this day & age, is extremely unwholesome. We spent the rest of our trip high (lol) up on the mountainside, in the less manicured parts of the park, in the wild, well away from the music & people from that point.

We made a black Zimbawean Taxi driving mate, who did us more favours in the weeks we visited the Cape than the Boer family who lived in a huge house in the shadow of Table Mountain with their dumb dogs, dumber kids & their kindly, put upon servants. We were invited to Xmas lunch with them, & when we got there, we were invited to pay towards the catering, a tenner each. I think that represented about 10 times more than anything we spent on food the entire we were there, & we ate out alot coz it's fucking cheap. You could get enough curry for four people for £5. South Africans are notoriously generous, so I dunno what was wrong with this lot, they must have sussed my politics long before I had a chance to open my mouth, something I had no intention of doing after being "invited"! After dinner, they sat us all in a horrible circle, all looking at each other, proceeded to drink enough booze to stun a herd of Rhino (Rhino are solitary during the day, but not at night!) & started sharing their racist jokes. Christmas Day & they still can't ease up. 20 of them, all going off. We stood in the street for two hours awaiting our friendly cabby (leaving his family to pick us up & drive us home on Christmas Day!) & smoking spliff in the dark, rather than listen to much of that old shite.

Equally, you know, there's a huge trance scene there, lots of acid & MDMA. The folk who run & most who attend these events are often trying to get more blacks & coloureds to their events because it helps promote the tolerance & general PLUR the UK scene has mostly lost, but exported long ago! There's SA BLers who are golden folk I'd step into the path of trucks for. It's not all bad. But sadly the fact stands that most Saffa's are at the very least, a little bit racist & many, many are deeply racist & although I'd hoped to see signs of rapid integration & a New South Africa on the horizon, I did not. I got on far better with the immigrants from further north in Africa, the Congolese & the Mozambicans, who were building a bridge nearby & living at our backpackers lodge, than I did with 90% if the white people with whom we crossed paths. I'd love to return to the Cape, maybe play some gigs in future, but my travel interests have moved north of the South African border now, & if my next trip to Africa isn't Zimbabwe, it'll be Zambia. The countryside around the Cape is stale, dead, lifeless. The farm's immense, but empty. In real Africa, there's life everywhere, villages at the side of the roads, black guys cycling with massive bundles of firewood, women walking with huge barrels of water balanced on their heads. Dirty little kids running everywhere, same with dogs! The countryside is ALIVE. That's the Africa I want my gf to see, not the Africa populated by the sour, racist run off from 40 years of independence wars to the north.

Anyway, just trying to deflect some of the flack I'm getting. I really do not like White South Africans, really do not like Pistorius at all & I'm not defending, condoning or countenancing his actions in any way, simply trying to understand & dissect them.

Actually, Julie put my own feelings down far more succinctly than I have. Good job <3
 
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Oscar winning performance imho

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bearlove said:
I have reported this post - racist!

Gotta say, I thought this was very oversensitive.

Really hope OTW hasn't got any infractions or warnings over this. If he has he should appeal. He was making an observation, from his experience. He should be free to give his understanding without people screaming out "racist!!!"
 
This OTW is a racist patter is pretty funny. I had no idea South African was a race.

Technically you would be correct but I think the word has come to have meaning beyond a strict definition. It's often hard to make hard and fast rules as to where the line is drawn and decisions are to some extent somewhat arbitrary and will depend on whether a post is reported, what discussion there is about a post, what a mod expected to make a decision over a post happens to feel like at that moment and many other things. In the particular case you mention I would still do the same thing from what I recall of the post and situation but it is entirely possible if you asked me to make a decision on the same post in the same situation next week or last week or next month or last year I'd decide differently. Consistency of decisions could be seen as an ideal but in reality it's never gonna happen and staff exist rather than BLUAbots so they can use their judgement.

Incidentally, my judgement on your comments regarding South Africans would be that aside from being deliberately provocative it also isn't actually a blanket statement so I wouldn't see it as racism. It is possible if there were complaints I could be persuaded otherwise but it would require persuasion. I would never claim to be completely consistent in any decisions I make and doubt anybody on staff would. Ultimately, I don't think any great loss to the world was had by editing OTW's post. Free speech is of great importance to me but I agreed to take a role of which a part is in direct conflict with free speech so I do put actual thought into making such decisions even if that thought isn't always necessarily consistent.

No but its racist to say - Most white South Africans are right cunts.

I both agree and disagree with you. I think context is important - out of context that sentence would be racist in my view (at least in the sense 'racist' is being used here) but I also think it could be justifiable in certain contexts. Consistency is certainly not guaranteed as I said but I think we mostly get the balance right and any decisions are up for discussion and debate amongst staff and with members.

As far as the actual topic goes...

If your in a relationship the only thing you think about in this scenario Are they ok = yes, next?

It all comes down to that for me. I just can't see any getting around that which doesn't involve at least attempted murder (obviously a successful attempt in this instance).
 
Hehe. I'll quite happily join you in there being an alien in a Welsh land and all that. The Welsh are known for being somewhat racist towards us Sasnaegs. Experience suggests that's not quite as far-fetched as it sounds - there is strong anti-English sentiment amongst some here. One thing I miss more than I would've thought (largely as I'd never really considered it) is multiculturalism. Not specifically a Welsh thing cos the larger Welsh towns and cities are as diverse as they are in any other part of the country but being so very rural here was actually quite a shock to the system. You don't miss a thing until it's gone and I do miss cultural diversity. Having such strong Welsh culture around was quite a novelty at first and I enjoyed it (and still do) but did become quite aware of just how much of an emphasis there is on Welsh language and culture and how little there is of any other culture. Again, that's a rural Welsh thing not a Welsh thing in general - I do like to get my fix of all things non-Welsh visiting some of the nearby towns which are larger and more diverse.
 
I can't deny that reading some of the placenames here does make my eyes go a bit wibbly. There's actually more vowels than it looks like cos the Welsh alphabet is different to the English alphabet. However, they use the same letters to represent different sounds which does make for some considerable confusion.
 
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