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Legless Man Kills Girlfriend.
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I feel sorry for him, I admire him for the adversity he's overcome & for his athletic prowess, but other than that, I think Dans pretty much nailed the guys personality type. He's a control freak dickhead & he still thinks he's in control. I do hope he's wrong.
Have you ever thought about weight lifting, Shambles? Is it possible? I remember you saying you had a bad back or something. You've also complained about not having manly lungs. Well, the inhalation/exhalation process from lifting a weight will increase your lung capacity. The physical workout also leads to release of endorphins... It's like taking opiates. I reckon some beefing up will in turn make you speak more fiercely.
Agree with this. Oscar did himself no favours, he certainly hasn't gained from his actions. I'm sure he regrets it. It's not like experiencing jealous fury is unheard of also. I'd give him some respect if he could just say "Yes. I had a moment of insanity which I regret and accept my full sentence." trying to lie himself out of it, just negates any credibility he could have restored.
Cut to the point: It's all very sad.
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Heard him crying on Newsnight earlier and didn't sound remotely convincing to me. Sounded staged. Not even very well staged. Admittedly I think he's guilty anyway so am unlikely to be swayed by bad acting.
Are you fukkin kidding me, Raas? Why the hell would I want to lift weights? The only person with an issue with being softly-spoken is you. I am of the opinion other people speak too loudly. They hurt my ears and offend my constitution. It's unnecessary.
Are you fukkin kidding me, Raas? Why the hell would I want to lift weights? The only person with an issue with being softly-spoken is you. I am of the opinion other people speak too loudly. They hurt my ears and offend my constitution. It's unnecessary.
StoneHappyMonday
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I don't feel sorry for him, he's a complete control freak and you bet he killed her in cold blood.
If the crying is fake he is the wickedest bastard I've seen in a long time.
Mind you, I suppose he is upset about it happening so he could be crying genuinely that it happened but not saying he did it in a fit of rage because she told him to sling his hook.
Mind you, I suppose he is upset about it happening so he could be crying genuinely that it happened but not saying he did it in a fit of rage because she told him to sling his hook.
I wasn't suggesting the crying was fake so much as the reason for the crying.
If I had lost it, & done something as awful as this, I'd be feeling pretty Godamned distressed.
He most certainly did not kill her in cold blood, Stone, even if he shot through that door in a fit of jealous rage, he was in a "jealous rage". I do not believe that is a cold blooded murder.
THIS is a cold blooded murder ----> Pistorius finds out Reeva is cheating on him, so he awakes in the night, follows her into the bathroom & fires four rounds through the closed toilet door in revenge. That's cold blooded, premiditated. This, if anything, is a hot-blooded murder, if there is such a thing. A crime of passion.
All strictly imo as always xx
He most certainly did not kill her in cold blood, Stone, even if he shot through that door in a fit of jealous rage, he was in a "jealous rage". I do not believe that is a cold blooded murder.
THIS is a cold blooded murder ----> Pistorius finds out Reeva is cheating on him, so he awakes in the night, follows her into the bathroom & fires four rounds through the closed toilet door in revenge. That's cold blooded, premiditated. This, if anything, is a hot-blooded murder, if there is such a thing. A crime of passion.
All strictly imo as always xx
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You need to live in France then Si.
I think the whole "Crime of Passion" thing is a very slippery slope. At what point is a crime not passionate? There are any number of situations where a person's passions may be roused to the point of doing something criminal. We don't make allowances for any of those. So you're jealous of your girlfriend's boyfriends? So you shoot you g/f? So you get life same as any other murderer. Not specific to Oscar's case cos I've really not read all the ins and outs.
Honestly, guys, have neither of you not ever done anything you regretted, never lost your temper & said something you regretted? Never hit someone who didn't quite deserve it? If you have ever lost your temper or said something hurtful, you must be able to understand remorse. I've never blown anyone away but I have without question got regrets & remorse for some of the things I've said & done.
Maybe I sympathise with this murdering prick because I too am a control freak. Perhaps his personality & mine are more closely aligned than yours are. Maybe having a foot in white African culture further advances my empathy.
Nothing I have said, as far as I'm conerned, condones this guys actions in any way whatsoever, does it? All I'm doing is trying to express how I would feel had I done something as momentously stupid, if not downright evil, as this guy has. For want of a better phrase, I'm tryin to put myself in his shoes. Yes, I know, I saw that pun the first time
I read somewhere that true enlightenment is love & empathy for all things. Even, perhaps most especially, towards those who appear to deserve it the least. I've tried this & it's actually done me the world of good, I hate myself for my failings alot less than I used to. But I still hate myself. I'm sure, if Oscar Pistorius doesn't hate himself now it is because he is distracted by his predicament, he will. Sadly, time might heal but it cannot be turned back. He's going to live with this, in or out of prison, for the rest of his life. I would not be at all surprised if he opted out, if you get me...
Maybe I sympathise with this murdering prick because I too am a control freak. Perhaps his personality & mine are more closely aligned than yours are. Maybe having a foot in white African culture further advances my empathy.
Nothing I have said, as far as I'm conerned, condones this guys actions in any way whatsoever, does it? All I'm doing is trying to express how I would feel had I done something as momentously stupid, if not downright evil, as this guy has. For want of a better phrase, I'm tryin to put myself in his shoes. Yes, I know, I saw that pun the first time
I read somewhere that true enlightenment is love & empathy for all things. Even, perhaps most especially, towards those who appear to deserve it the least. I've tried this & it's actually done me the world of good, I hate myself for my failings alot less than I used to. But I still hate myself. I'm sure, if Oscar Pistorius doesn't hate himself now it is because he is distracted by his predicament, he will. Sadly, time might heal but it cannot be turned back. He's going to live with this, in or out of prison, for the rest of his life. I would not be at all surprised if he opted out, if you get me...
parttime crackhead
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tl;dr = he has no legs.
Of course I have. I've never shot anybody repeatedly through a door though. Nor would I ever have the means for potentially doing such a thing in my presence. I have issues with gun ownership in general which is perhaps a debatable point. If you know you have jealous tendencies and an explosive temper you have no bizniz being anywhere near a firearm. I can't see how he couldn't have known he had such tendencies before they erupted.
I also don't see how they can be justified with hindsight. I've certainly lost my temper with exes - and people in general - but I've never taken up arms and let fly at them. I never would have access to firearms but I have access to inanimate objects and I don't really see what the difference would be between losing temper and shooting somebody and losing temper and beating them to death with a housebrick.
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This.
This.
Ben So Furry
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What is a zombie stopper?
I feel sorry for the watermelons.
I feel sorry for the watermelons.
edit - A "Zombie Stopper" is a hollow point round, one that shatters upon impact. Non-lethal rounds tend to go straight through, & even the occassional headshot is survivable. Not often with a hollow point. There's no head left.
That footage is exactly what I'm talking about, a desensitivisation to violence & violent weapons, because it's directed at, without meaning to mince my words in any way, blacks. Black criminals, animals... It's about dehumanising - edit over
I think also being more familiar with the macho SA male culture, the white, inbred, continuing fear of a genuine, violent black revolution, coupled with a gun culture in a country with huge disparity between rich & poor, makes me more likely to empathise. I grew up around guns & basically what I'm saying is, in a culture such as that, this sort of thing is probably on a par with a household assault in a fire-arms free society such as ours. Sadly, spousal abuse is far, far, far from uncommon in the UK &, if we had as many guns, fears & egos as South African crippled celebrity athletes appear to have, we might see an awful lot more of this sort of thing.
I guess that boils down to, "there but for the grace of God go we". It might seem kinda outlandish to us, what he's done, but it wasn't even 70 years ago, we were fire bombing civilians in German cities, & suffering the same in London during the Blitz. The stories my mum told me, who remained in London despite the evacuation of all the other kids, make this crime look like an episode of Neighbours. Don't go thinking we're civilised creatures, we're all animals, & we're all quite capable of what Oscar has done, I'm afraid.
In a human being who has done something like this, in a fit of rage, I'd expect to see (rather hear) genuine remorse in him. I think I do. I would happily be proven wrong in my intuition, I'm not too proud to be wrong, it's happens ALL the time. That is all.
Blessings to all & thanks for debate. Love it
Oh, & fuck off PTC xx
That footage is exactly what I'm talking about, a desensitivisation to violence & violent weapons, because it's directed at, without meaning to mince my words in any way, blacks. Black criminals, animals... It's about dehumanising - edit over
I think also being more familiar with the macho SA male culture, the white, inbred, continuing fear of a genuine, violent black revolution, coupled with a gun culture in a country with huge disparity between rich & poor, makes me more likely to empathise. I grew up around guns & basically what I'm saying is, in a culture such as that, this sort of thing is probably on a par with a household assault in a fire-arms free society such as ours. Sadly, spousal abuse is far, far, far from uncommon in the UK &, if we had as many guns, fears & egos as South African crippled celebrity athletes appear to have, we might see an awful lot more of this sort of thing.
I guess that boils down to, "there but for the grace of God go we". It might seem kinda outlandish to us, what he's done, but it wasn't even 70 years ago, we were fire bombing civilians in German cities, & suffering the same in London during the Blitz. The stories my mum told me, who remained in London despite the evacuation of all the other kids, make this crime look like an episode of Neighbours. Don't go thinking we're civilised creatures, we're all animals, & we're all quite capable of what Oscar has done, I'm afraid.
In a human being who has done something like this, in a fit of rage, I'd expect to see (rather hear) genuine remorse in him. I think I do. I would happily be proven wrong in my intuition, I'm not too proud to be wrong, it's happens ALL the time. That is all.
Blessings to all & thanks for debate. Love it
Oh, & fuck off PTC xx
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One Thousand Words
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I find offence in you condoning such actions with the word culture. What you are talking about is savagery, the attitudes of such men is as far from cultured as possible. Sure they live in a country riddled with poverty and a desperate black population who like nothing better than to shoot or rape a whitey, but didn't 200 odd years of white oppression create this problem in the first place?
Meeting a nice, friendly South African is like meeting a good looking redhead. When you eventually do there is none better but my god they are as rare as hens teeth.
Meeting a nice, friendly South African is like meeting a good looking redhead. When you eventually do there is none better but my god they are as rare as hens teeth.
Err what . Eventually makes it sound like its something hard to accept ( especially after a long delay, dispute, or series of problems). I have good friend from S / Africa - I have some great looking redhead mates (dyed red or born ginger). Rare as hens teeth ? I ave more nice South African friends then hen teeth so I have to say there no way near aurs rare .
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One Thousand Words
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*snip* I've played rugby around the world and have met my fair share and can honestly say only 4-5 of the hundreds I have met didn't have an element of arrogant racist fuck about them.
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