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Legitimate medicines in Sched I

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otb01

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I know that this is off of the typical thread in ADD but I'm putting it here because I feel that it might be out of the scope of many users.

I was looking through the "more comprehensive" DEA scheduled chems list and I've been noticing that so many of the medications in schedule I have not much more of an abuse potential than many other drugs and very common accepted medical use but somehow are sched. I. I'd say that 85% of the ones I looked up also had well founded medical uses. Could anyone shed some light on this? Maybe I'm missing something here.
 
They're "schedule 1" because they double as recreational drugs. Even if something has legitimate use, such as heroin being a very effective painkiller, if too many people start using it for "non-medical reasons," aka to get high, then it has "no medical use."

It's obviously a ridiculous system. I've stopped trying to figure it out. It's very complicated and involves politics, religion, racism... the list goes on. It's unjust, unconstitutional and the Drug War is used as a way to persecute the downtrodden and minorities in America.
 
otb01 said:
other drugs and very common accepted medical use but somehow are sched. I. I'd say that 85% of the ones I looked up also had well founded medical uses. Could anyone shed some light on this? Maybe I'm missing something here.
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85% huh? Um what compounds are you referring to, and what 'founded medical use" for each specific compound can you contrive?
 
I think 85% is probably a lowball estimate. Assuming all opiates have medical use for painrelief, and all the stimulants double as either ADD meds or anorectants, plus the PCP analogues as aneasthetics, then the vast majority will have medical use.

Not to mention the MDMA-type drugs for PTSD, and Synhexyl and the canninoids as appetite stimulants, it's not hard to find legitimate medical uses for the majority of these.

I won't go so far as to include the psychedelics, though it's not hard to find reasons for them, too.
 
Ham-milton said:
I won't go so far as to include the psychedelics, though it's not hard to find reasons for them, too.
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LSD is the only successful treatment for alcoholism. Psychedelics have the enormous ability to cure addiction as well as mental illnesses like depression. A simple search at www.maps.org will bring up plenty of articles.

Serotonergic psychedelics can also cure cluster headaches. Ergotamine is prescribed to treat migraines. Psilocybin cured my migraines permanently so I can attest to that.

It is very strange to me that psychedelics are scheduled since they are practically non-toxic. Opiates are too though...
 
I could totally be wrong, so please correct me if I am. To my knowledge the only Schedule 1 drugs with no medical uses are BZP, PMA, and Aminorex, and that's because their side-effects are so much worse than the possible medical benefits.

Phenethylamine and designer psychedelics could be useful in the field of mental health.
 
BZP and Aminorex could definitely have medical use. There are Aminorex derivatives in use today
 
ok i think we have different definitions of medical, which definately says something about things:
whereas I think of medical not as health but as a institution run by med schools ect; it seems like u guys think medicine is anything that would relieve symptoms of some kind of disease (correct me if i'm wrong, i.e., what is each of ur definitions of 'medical')

well in that case i suppose ur right
 
Here's a steady list of schedule I drugs with completely legit, nonrecreational uses. There are others but these (out of a group picked out at random) really stood out to me.

Opiates:
Ketobemidone
Phenadoxone
Piritramide
Propiram
Tilidine

Depressants:
Mecloqualone

Stimulants:
Fenethylline (Which is notable because it metabolizes into two NON SCHEDULE I DRUGS! Also, quoth the article: "actual incidence of fenethylline abuse was quite low")
 
None of the above listed drugs are in the "grey area" of medical use such as Ibogaine for addictions or MDMA for Parkinsons. Many if not all of them have been used for a long time medically and still continue to be in other countries. Have we just gone crazy?
 
Is mecloqualone in C1? I know it's an analogue, but is it expressly scheduled?
 
Even if something has legitimate use, such as heroin being a very effective painkiller, if too many people start using it for "non-medical reasons," aka to get high, then it has "no medical use."
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Eh, if a drug has a medical use, it has a medical use regardless of whether or not it is abusable. By your definition, everything should be in schedule 1 as once they start to be abused they'd qualify as 'no medical use' under your criteria. The reason diamorphine is sch 1 in the US is purely to do with ignorant, biased views of the people who constructed the schedules because of it's 'bogey-man' status many years ago. Diamorphine is sch 2 in the UK and several European countries as it is far better for treating the terminally ill who need pain relief because of it's higher solubility, higher potency and less side effects compared with the equivalent anagesic dose of morphine
 
Ham-milton said:
Is mecloqualone in C1? I know it's an analogue, but is it expressly scheduled?
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Yep, it is actually concretely scheduled. I'm surprised no one else is also in awe about the Fenethylline thing.
 
What always amused me was the fact there is a legal alternative for most illegal drugs in the US, even though they are so anti-drugs. Heroin is illegal, but they have hydromorphone and even oxymorphone available for prescription. Speed is illegal, but they have prescription methamphetamine. Barbiturates are still prescribed, rarely, but still more than in any other Western country, and same goes for amphetamines, opioids and benzodiazepines. They are the ones who started the war on drugs, and try to fight it as fiercely as possible, while there is an abundance of legal highs available for prescription.
 
Well heroin is mostly illegal because its that much easier to abuse and there was such a market for it. I do agree tho that the whole system is really screwed up.
 
Perhaps in the United States we're about controlling the use of drugs, via Doctors? perhaps not tho?
 
fastandbulbous said:
Eh, if a drug has a medical use, it has a medical use regardless of whether or not it is abusable. By your definition, everything should be in schedule 1 as once they start to be abused they'd qualify as 'no medical use' under your criteria. The reason diamorphine is sch 1 in the US is purely to do with ignorant, biased views of the people who constructed the schedules because of it's 'bogey-man' status many years ago. Diamorphine is sch 2 in the UK and several European countries as it is far better for treating the terminally ill who need pain relief because of it's higher solubility, higher potency and less side effects compared with the equivalent anagesic dose of morphine
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I was stating it from the point of view of the DEA, not my own personal point of view. As in, whenever a completely legitimate, useful drug starts to be used recreationally by a decent amount of people, they ban it by saying it has no medical value (by placing it in Schedule 1).

Obviously a medicine is a medicine, whether you can get high or not. And all medicines should be legal.
 
chicpoena said:
LSD is the only successful treatment for alcoholism. Psychedelics have the enormous ability to cure addiction as well as mental illnesses like depression. A simple search at www.maps.org will bring up plenty of articles.

Serotonergic psychedelics can also cure cluster headaches. Ergotamine is prescribed to treat migraines. Psilocybin cured my migraines permanently so I can attest to that.

It is very strange to me that psychedelics are scheduled since they are practically non-toxic. Opiates are too though...
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Psilocybin really cured my migraines as well. Before i started taking shrooms at the age of 14 i had horrible migraines that would hit me 3 or 4 times a week sometimes. When i started taking shrooms they went away completely and even though i havent taken shrooms in about 3 years now i think because ive got noone i want to trip with ive only had about 2 true migraines since then. I rarely even get headaches anymore.

The opiate schedule system in the US is completely fucked as well. Why the hell can't you use diamorphine for pain there when you can use oxymorphone, hydromorphone and fentanyl.

The rating system in canada for opiates is atleast all the same. It doesn't matter if your getting scripted codeine or fentanyl it's all in the same schedule and you have to use the same tamper proof pad for the scripts. By the way i think you can get diamorphine in canada for cancer pain can't you? Or atleast you could. It says active on the drug products database which means it can still be prescribed and must be on the market.
 
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