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Legal weed alternatives!! My findings so far... 2011

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Dewsta26

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Hey there fellow bluelighters!

This is my first post so thanks for having me, i have read loads of reviews on here and i love the idea of spreading a greater knowledge to the masses!

OK so first things first, we recently had a drought (cannabis to be precise) and the only stuff i could seem to get hold of was that sugar skunk (just after the plants r cut they are sprayed with a sugar-water solution and then dryed. This results in the buds being coated in a layer of sugar, and in turn the weed weighing more so making more profit - the low life pricks!)

So in an attempt to get sum decent smoke i turned to the internet for legal alternatives. I was straight away bombarded with so called legal buds, smoking mixtures, resins and incenses all claiming to be as good as the real thing, if not better!

Now my sceptical mind kicked in straight away so i started searching for experiences that people had (not just the made up reviews that are posted by the site owners themselves lol) and one particular site kept on cropping up (this one btw!) and so i got reading and was dissapointed to hear that most people reported that they are a con, but as i delved deeper (and started taking notice of how old threads and posts actually were! - a thread 6 years old may not have much standing in the modern climate ;)) this is written 29 Jan 2011 btw! I started to read about 'spice' and 'K2' being really good but containing synthetic (man made) versions on THC, and unfortunatly by the time i was aware of them they were made illegal here in the UK. I was gutted... at first!

I then remember reading that if you shopped at a certain site based in the netherlands (the name is usually abbreviated into two letters- im sure if you search well enough through here you will find what i am talking about, i dont personally want to post the name here as it may be seem as i am advertising for them or something, and im not sure on rules about this- anyone in the know?) Anyway yeah this site, people were giving there legal incense a really good rating, other people were then saying that it is impossible to get the stoned feeling from anything other than real weed, and that more than likely the secret ingredient would be salvia???!!!!!!! Now i have smoked salvia 20x in a pipe and boy o boy its nothing like weed!! So this made me sceptical, and interested. I thought why not and ordered a few samples, i ordered samples because its all really the same price as really good weed on the street atm (about £10 a gram)

The 3 types i ordered 0.5grams of were as follows, and also with the list of ingredients as stated on the site itself (god knows if its true- they all look and smell very very similar!)

Bonzai (this is apparently there best seller)
Contains- Damiana, Coconut, Pink Lotus, Warrior Latra, Gyopar, Verbascus, Selena resins, aromatic extracts

SMOKE XXX
Contains- Baybean, Blue Lotus, Indian Warrior, Pink Lotus, Damiana, Maconha Brava, Marshmallow Althea, Blueberry, Strawberry, Wild Cherry, Vanilla Orchid.

and finally BOOM
Contains- Baybean, Blue Lotus, Indian Warrior, Pink Lotus, Damiana, Maconha Brava, Marshmallow Althea, Blueberry, Vanilla Orchid

Now i must add that i started smoking weed when i was about 12 (its not something to be proud of but on my estate growing up was about bein cool. and drugs were cool. dumb and sad, but true lol) and i have smoked near enough daily ever since, mostly resin the first few years and now strictly bud only. im 26 now so i hav got througha lot of bud over the years :) and i also took speed quite a lot from 13 to 18, and started takin excstacy when i was 13 and really got to damn deep into it for years, extacy was my main drug of choice but i havent touched any uppers since i was about 21-22 they really take there toll on your ceretonin levels in ur brain over the years and make it impossible to feel any joy from anythin around you.trust me i know, i can still now go into major depressions just out of the blue. But then i used to take exstacy when pills were real pills, you would only need a quarter of a pill sometimes, if you double dropped you wud probably die! none of this culture of ''yeah yeah i took 15 pills lastnite, was wasted'' lol not when pills were PILLS. I here most X tabs r just speed and ket nowadays yumyum :)

Anyway i got off subject! I smoked weed for most of my life, its helped through times and hindered through times but it has always been consistent in my life and i can carry out a perfectly productive and positive life just fine, and, when i want ;) So i gotthese samples through post now and i had been waiting for about 1 1/2 weeks (2 long!) (it just so happened that the drought cleared up and i got some lovely 'Jack Herra' weed, stinks and tastes just like it smells :)

lol but i got these samples through the post and was excited and sceptical and also eager to try so there i was before even making a coffee, putting this 'Bonzai' type in my budbong pipe- it, they all, look like the last lil immature buds of actual weed buds, but not quite, but they are all the same colour as weed maybe slightly lighter, smells like some herbal tea i remember smelling at my nans when i was really young, all types i got smelled and looked very similar, and was all ground up into perfect sprinkling size.

On first impressions i was very sceptical, it looked and smelled a bit like chinese tea! so i put about 1/7th of the bag in my pipe and lit it, the taste wasnt strong or unpleasant and although the smoke was a bit hot on the throat at first, it was easily bareable because the smoke wasnt dense.. or thick, if you know what i mean? so yea it went down quite nicely in about three long drags which i held each for about ten seconds before exhaling very little smoke.

now i felt like nothing different at first, i could feel a slight numbness to my back of mouth if anything, great i thought, then all of a sudden my body felt a lil wobbly, legs in particular, and i felt like the first time i ever did a rabbit (that what we used to call a waterfall bong- a 2 litre bottle with a small hole at the bottom that you can cover with your finger, hold hole fill with water, put foil cap on top add weed light and let go of hole and watch as creamy smoke curls into the bottle as the water drains out and creates suction, its a wonderous thing to watch, i remember my first 'rabbit' many years mago lol i was almost instantly the most stoned that i had ever been in my life heh heh so ye i swear im not lying that is how i felt this morning for a good few minutes i was sort of just pottering around the kitchen with a massive grin thinking i might throw a whitey! lol (i never actually thrown a whitey of just weed on its own- been sick a few times mixing weed and alcohol tho) but at the same time i couldnt believe that this stuff that is totally legal was giving me such a good high, it was amkin me giggle to myself and was entertaining making a cup of coffee, everything was a bit jelly like :) and also it wasnt or isnt like the feeling off salvia, salvia is so different in so many different ways, i personally dont like salvia, i done it about 3-4 times always at a high strain and my 'trips' off it (i dont like saying its a trip because everytime i have tripped of shrooms or LSD its been a euphoric warm fuzzy happy experience, and salvia was just like being violently forced into a f~@~ing rollercoaster!) were nothing like the high i got from this legal shizzle.

After the initial kick of the high (bout ten minutes) it settled down into an almost perfect stoned feeling, it felt like i had just smoked a nice spliff to myself (something i do pften ;)) and this feeling must of lasted for the better part of an hour maybe a bit more, during this part of the high the 'stoned feeling' was very consistant, it didnt decrease at all, i was very impressed and kept laughing to myself at how close to a decent smoke this actually was while watching sum crappy morning tv, my chest didnt feel tight like sometimes after smoking from a pipe, i prefer joints myself usually nowadays.

The high then started to drop off and i fellt the familiar feeling of becoming more alert but still having the last clouds of weed in your head, lasted bout another 2 hours, wasnt unpleasant, no head aches twitches lol

Then i didnt have anymore till the evening when an excited friend of mine who i had told about my morning binge came round to sample some more with me- he hadnt smoked any weed since night before when he ran out but i did smoke a spliff of this lovely jack herra at around midday :)

He came round and i did him same portion 1/7th in a pipe and i took the same again after him, and waited, now this time i got very little of the major stoned feeling experienced this morning, and my mate didnt report any of it but admitted he was feeling very similar to stoned, and i definatly felt something close to high creeping up on me! i then rolled a spliff with about a 1/4 of the SMOKEXXX bag (you can get about 4 decent spliffs out of each of the 0.5gram of product i reckon) and we smoked it 2 drag pass,by the time we were a third down the spliff i was stoned again! honestly, i personally would definatly class how i was feeling as extremely close to being stoned from cannabis, just a lil something missing, not sure what but it isnt an important bit off the genuine weed high and it wasnt missed, i was jus aware not wanting.

And after that was smoked we sat and discussed it together, he said he would write on a blog (was telling him about this site) if asked, that it was a very good cannibus substitute and he smokes daily for most of his adult life 2.

Also usually when me and him get together we are just constantly rolling skunk spliff after spliff, but both agreed that we didnt need to smoke anymore and was over a hour before we did roll another fatty! I rolled a jack herra 1 this time tho and he left about a hour ago now.

So all in all If you get it from same place as i did, and they send u the same product as they sent me (that is labelled as legal worldwide) and you a experienced weed smoker like me :) you would like this and it is worth trying! I think i will buy some more at some point, unless i develop a twitch or a schizoparanoid streak or any other weird side effects lol i will report if i do but i feel normal at the moment so so far so good :)

I think that is enough writing for now, Have any of you tried these products or similar or anything? would be cool to chat and exchange experiences

Peace Love and Respect
 
It's certainly not salvia. They contain jwh-018 or something similar. This is available as a pure chemical and is wwwwaaaaaayyyyyyy cheaper that way. I have no idea what is legal in the UK and what isn't
 
ye i have read about JWH and it has been banned in the uk and in many other countries, these are advertised as new mixes and so now they are legal worldwide (the website says)

Thanks for the quick reply btw have you done any JWH's?
 
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and also i have stumbled upon a (maybe THE) website that is set up as u USA research drug development company that sells the JWH chemicals but they wont ship to where its illegal obviously, and also has anyone looked into posssible side effects if it si the synthetic cannabinoid? I have read that its experimental and could mess people up, but also that the slight change they made in the structure of THC (to make JWH legal over THC being illegal) actually makes JWH less toxic?

I not stating any statements as fact or true, just interested

Thanks alll im smoking the herra right now :)
 
yes, quite a few. Most of them are less potent than 018, but some of the newer ones are crazy potent. All feel a lot like weed but most are shorter lasting. Right now I'm working with am-2201 and it's a lot more potent even than 018. 10 mgs had me kinda scared and my tolerance is sky high.
 
yeye i know the feeling, when i had that first blast this morning it really took me by surprise! i went paranoid and i can almost always control those effects of weed as i smoked so much :) so that am would be legal atm then? How long u been smoking synthetic stuff? Have you noticed anythin adverse? I can get major ratty sometimes if i dont smoke, does this ever happen to you after having them? sorry bout all the questions :)
 
You probably wanna check out the Cannibis Discussion forum here.

Here is a link to a thread there about the synthetics.
 
Until I'm off probation, sure. After that probably not. They do seem to be more addictive than pot, probably because they end so suddenly it's hard not to keep redosing. But you have to rake breaks, tolerance builds much quicker than pot. I've been doing doing them maybe three years, but only regular the last 6 months.

And no worries mate. If I minded answering questions I came to the wrong website.
 
cheers man, this sites ace thanks to people who r willing to discuss openly like urself. I jus spent ages reading through the thread posted above, have u read it? theres a few really worrying things about cancer etc saying that i smoke mixed with tobacco and that DEFINATELY causes cancer !
 
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I have smoked what you are talking about. Here in the United States it is totally legal, at least in WA. It is sold a a herbal incense and even says "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION." Anyways I stopped smoking it because I thought I was gonna get a brain tumor or something. And it does get you REALLY high but
I wouldn't smoke it again. You will be walking to the kitchen and forget why you were walking in there.
 
I was on probation and gave up real bud for synthetics.. and i'll tell you synthetics blow ass there are so many side effects they just are not safe fi you are going to smoke them as much as you do weed.

The drugs are not researched who knows if they are causing cancer. Shits dangerous..poeple young kids like OD and stuff..get seizures. If you use a lot you will and I repeat you WILL get withdrawls. Its not a question if maybe you will. if yhou are smoking a strong blend enough every day you will get withdrawals..not pot bullshit withdrawals either.

I regret doing this synthetic shit almost as much as heroin..who knows what id did to my body and brain. Seriously when i was really on a high dose of the shit smoking a lot I had so much shit going on.. I could not eat high or not..appetite was gone..this is very common. Psycholocially it was effecting me..and I couldnt even make it 8 hours through the night without starting to get withdrawal and having to smoke.

I did detox once too and get through wtidhrawals after tapering real low.. mainly the worst was just cold sweats depression but after 5 days I already was sleeping with my appetite back. I was throiwn gup like I was dope sick after 30 hours though but it only lasted like 12 hours of nauseea.. the cold sweats lasted about 7 days I also had RLS. It was liek mini opiate wtihdrawals. I also felt like permastoned.. itd be a week after id wake up feeling stoned. The diahreah and headaches stuck around a while after I quit.. I never ever had headaches before till I quit. They are going away now though. I just take aspririn like every day.

I did start smoking this bullshit stuff again..but I smoke very little now. I have really very little side effects at this level. \I smoke a .3 blunt of a blend like soul meds voodoo doll every day.. compraed to I was smoking upwards to 1g pure jwh 210 daily at my worst (with a really strong blend). Honestly this shits the devil.. If i continue to smoke i am switchign to weed.. thsi shit is not weed its unnatural. it gets you high kinda a lot like weed but there is somuch bad shit to come with it.

SOme of the comemrcial blends are very strong.. you wouldnt think it..but blends like head trip they are so high in concentration you can get withdrawals really bad if your ssmoking like an eigth a day like some poeple do. You will be throwing up for sure.
 
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Moving this to cannabis discussion.. it may get merged/closed there depending on the threads they have already, I am not sure :)

BDD > CD
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/465075-MEGA-Synthetic-Cannabinoid-Discussion-2nd-Toke

merged, all the info you could want on the FRONT PAGE FAQ:

Please post there


FAQ:

Questions You Should Not Ask:

1) What is in blend "XYZ".
-We don't know. Vendors will not give out this information as it opens them up to lawsuit. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH safer to use RCs when you know what fucking RC you are ingesting.
The distributor isn't going to tell you what's in it, and I'm not going to pay for GC/MS on a blend, I don't know about you. I don't think that there's an easy reagent test a la Marquis that could be used to differentiate cannabinoids easily (the existing reagents might be able to, but stoners are lazy so no-one's bothered to find out). What would be the real HR value anyway, given that all of the drugs in these blends are totally unresearched? There are also a huge number of these blends, if we were going to start somewhere it would be the various Spice and K2 blends, not some obscure blend you bought in your local area. If you really want to know what you're putting in your body, stay away from propietary blends and make your own from known amounts of cannabinoids and herbs that you acquire, pure, yourself, or, better yet, smoke cannabis.

2) "I am having XYZ side effects. What could this be caused by?
- Likely by ingesting an unknown chemical that we cannot possibly help you identify.

3) "Are these drugs safe?"
- We do not know. We will not know for some time. Perhaps we will never know for sure. There is very little information about the large majority of these RCs.

4) What color should XYZ be?

- Depends on variant. Pure JWH for most variants are going to be white to off white scale. There is a guide on how to clean your JWH if you think it is suspect in the previous thread. Use the Search Engine.

5) Is JWH water soluable?
- Only use pure, food grade acetone. PURE ACETONE.

6) Can I inhale JWH/powdered forms?
- Yes, but why you would do this is beyond me. First, it's a waste. Second, if you have pure form JWH, why the hell wouldn't you just eat it or smoke it. Don't bother blowing something that isn't water soluable. Waste. And stupid.

7) I bought a prepackaged blend - can I somehow cook with this?
- Shut up. I told you not to buy those pre-packed blends - they are robbery, dirty, and you don't know what they are putting into it. Some have been known to contain WASTE PRODUCTS from the process of making JWH that is TOXIC. If you are dead-set on this, you can try an acetone wash, though what these blends contain is a crap shoot.

8 ) is XZY more safe than XZY2?
- Some are less risky than others. You can do the research on this yourself. I suggest wiki, and bluelight's vast database of information. JWH 250's missing N-ring provides some evidence that it is less carcinogenic than others.

9) Just how unsafe are these?
- Get it through your head. We are the guinnee pigs for these new designer drugs. Use wisely, and with the acceptance that you may grow a third arm or your dick might fall off. Or it might get bigger. Who knows.

10 ) Can I eat this?
- In it's powdered form, yes, though some are more potent than others. Eating JWH will involve a solid 5-8 hours of being very high. Watch your dosages, you can always dose up but you can never dose down. Don't forget that. Also, don't try high dosages unless you can handle some extreme panic. If you can handle a bad LSD trip, you might have a grasp on what a high dose can do to you.

Warning: If you insist upon using synthetic cannaboids, use them in their pure form, and learn to make your own blends. I have posted a video guide on how to do this in the last edition of this thread. You can do the work finding it.

So, what can you ask?

Anything that has not been covered before. Any editions to the "don't bother asking" list, PM me and it will be considered.

-Chainer

Also a lot of the content of your post could be better suited to the Trip Reports section on Bluelight, feel free to check that area out and read their posting guidelines.
 
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