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Buzz sure seems really bad to mix with Meth. It did bring on pill-type feelings for a while though. It was totally anti-sex drive and made the comedown really bad. Also on the high, soon after i took the Buzz vial, under my eyes went really black and dark and stayed that way for a long, long time.
 
Pop is great for me, really good fuzzy feeling with a light energy boost. Great for sex. Buzz sucks the big one as I always feel sick on it. Would never mix because of this.

By the way, why are they called "head" shops???
 
Tried a cherry pop today. Consumed the whole bottle about 6 hours ago and my heart still feels pretty stimulated.

There was about half an hour of slight tingles/rushes with a little floatyness, the rest is just increased stimulation. Mentally no major shifts - I was probably a bit more chatty to strangers when I went to the shops.

Overall an ok experience but a little boring!
 
Hate to bring this thread back from the dead again but...

I heard today from a guy at my course that Dreamtime is being sold again in Brisbane... anyone know if this is true or not?
 
Mr Blonde said:
Hate to bring this thread back from the dead again but...

I heard today from a guy at my course that Dreamtime is being sold again in Brisbane... anyone know if this is true or not?


Find out for yourself If it is lets keep it quiet ;) Last thing we want is it taken away again
 
Yeah I thought that they stopped selling it, and that was before I was the age they like you to be at those kinda places so I never got a chance to try it. :\
 
We ate the leaves before deciding to brew the whole bag up as a tea. I got no effects whatsoever. From what I believe, it was sourced from a retail outlet in Qld within the last couple of months.
 
phase_dancer said:
We ate the leaves before deciding to brew the whole bag up as a tea. I got no effects whatsoever. From what I believe, it was sourced from a retail outlet in Qld within the last couple of months.

are you talking about kratom?

kratom grown in australia seems to be less potent, research as to why was halted when the TGA scheduled it (without any evidence to suggest it was being abused) and all plants had to be destroyed.

for me, low dose was like a stim, medium dose was almost trippy (colour enhancement, wonder at life etc), high dose was ("velcro'd to the couch")


kratom has a major potential to help opiate addicts kick the habbit. My conspiracy hat guess is that is why it was banned...
 
^ probably was kratom. like i said, if its grown in australia the potency is variable, but mostly quite low. and if it was from overseas then its probably really old, it was banend a couple of years ago i think, and from what i have heard, getting plant matter into aus is just about impossible, so i'd guess it was locally grown.

its quite a nice effect, especially when you get the lsd like colour attenuation and "oh my, the world is wonderful, look at how pretty it is" thoughts that leads into the "this couch/lawn is too comfy to get up from" effect, shame you didnt get anything.

and shame on the TGA for banning yet another plant.
 
When I had Kratom in Amsterdam it felt like a few beers mixed with some codeine but very much stimulateing. I loved it. Stimulation was higher then that of caffeine or ephidrine. sigh I wish I could find it here in Aussie.

It was sold as Kratom extract and we ploped it into a glass of water, which resembeled a turd in the bottom of a glass. I have a photo somewhere.
 
marklar_the_23rd said:
for me, low dose was like a stim, medium dose was almost trippy (colour enhancement, wonder at life etc), high dose was ("velcro'd to the couch")

Gee, that sounds pretty dangerous. Good thing it was banned, think of all the lives that could have been ruined....
 
Gee, that sounds pretty dangerous. Good thing it was banned, think of all the lives that could have been ruined....

Damn straight, I'm personally thanking the G-men for keeping it out of my hands. 8) ;)

and shame on the TGA for banning yet another plant.

Yeah, if God didn't want us drinking Kratom and poppy pod tea and the like, he wouldn't have made them would he?
 
i cant get over the potential it had to help hardcore opiate users kick the habbit. surely that alone would warrant some research into it?

oh yeah, its not patentable.
 
Yeah, if God didn't want us drinking Kratom and poppy pod tea and the like, he wouldn't have made them would he?

mmm...that would imply the same for dinoflagellates containing saxitoxin, caster beans containing ricin, oleander containing corrigen etc....

OK, I've taken Mr Blonde's statement out of context here - sorry, I just couldn't resist =D

However, some plants and naturally occurring organisms are definitely to be avoided because of toxicity, and in a sense are rightly scheduled. Just because something is natural it doesn't mean it's safe. Saxitoxin (TZ) is listed in schedule one of the Chemical Weapons Convention and has an LD50 in mice of ~3-10ug/Kg.

So, are Kratom and some other banned plants in this league? Of course not, although some plants such as Datura were banned both for their toxicity (datura contains atropine and scopolamine) and because more people were eating it - and often ending up in hospital.

Still, the banning of ephedra was definitely concerned mostly with stopping another source of the meth precursor; salvia because of a 'perceived' popularity and the fact it contained an unscheduled and powerful class of drug - from which many analogues can and will be made; cactii simply because of increased popularity etc...

So what's next? What if someone comes up with a super potent strain of passion fruit vine, or if people turn to the more dangerous and widely distributed plants that are currently allowed? Perhaps they'll all be banned eventually.

Somehow though, I just can't see many Drug Squad officers becoming botanists. Perhaps there's a few closet gardeners amongst them, but I've heard of several cases where banned psychoactive plants have been overlooked during a raid.

i cant get over the potential it had to help hardcore opiate users kick the habbit. surely that alone would warrant some research into it?

oh yeah, its not patentable.

It certainly does warrent some research being done, and it's very likely some Australian University would be willing to facilitate such a study, particularly if inconclusive evidence on its efficacy already exists. But as to whether it would have it's legal status changed is another thing. Of course, it's more likely if outcomes showed mitragynine or one of it's analogues is indicated to be a safe and effective treatment. As we know, drugs seem to be able to be multi- classifiable in this country e.g. amphetamine is a class 1, illicit drug in Qld, yet it is also a schedule 8 pharmaceutical. However, on the other hand, from what from Wikipedia states even meth has some accepted medical value.

Strictly speaking, as a Schedule 8 drug, the medical use of methamphetamine is recognized in Australia, however in practice this is not the case.

Wiki - methamphetamine

So while research may be possible, and the outcomes could prove favourable for further trials etc, if there was a danger of abuse, or health concerns from use, then it might very well end up shelved like so many useful products.
 
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