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Legal high products in the UK (branded pills and powders)

Well there are plenty of legal pills or party powders, obviously without ingrediets stated on them. But still people are sometimes able to say what they are (eg. Mitzees and LU doves - general agreement is butylone etc.).
Very funny to read how some people here called Biggiro stupid but they were saying that mephedrone or methylone got him high for 10 hours.
If one pill lasts for 10 hours, without making one sick and bad hangover, it should not be called shitty pill. Try to count how much mephedrone would one need to be high / fucked up for 10 hours. Seems over 1g. Which is deffo not safe amount. Not to mention that if one goes to party, it is much harder to get proper amount of powder right.
Biggiro thanks for the tip, I will deffo be trying those.
 
^By the time you try them...if you really felt like it, then the cunting company who make them will have changed the ingredients anyway....its just as likely next time to have rats blood and paracetemol in;)
 
muttonchops said:
Just read through some of this thread. biggiro your blatently some kind of online legal highs pill seller. That is all.
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Muttonchops....what the hell would be the point of coming on here trying to promote myself as a dealer in legal highs?
Have I mentioned a source for you to go to to buy stuff from me?
Perhaps drugs have made you totally paranoid....



Mmm....well that was an interesting series of replies, although the thread may have mutated, the debate about legal highs was interesting to read.

Having tried several different pills, powders, everything does seem to have a different effect.

Mephedrone was very good, the girlfriend thought so too, and likened it to the closest thing she has tried so far to MDMA.

The opinion here seems to be that I am mad keen on the legal pill, and that I LOVE DOVES!!!...but I have only taken a single, solitary 'Red Dove' and started this thread because of the prolonged effect of that particular pill, on myself, the girlfriend and another male friend.

Another person who I didn't know had taken 2 and a half of these pills, almost 48 hours later he still couldn't sleep and looked, very, very battered.
We were talking to the 'medics' at the Glade festival this year, and they had far more problems with people on the legal highs than on the illegal ones.

Regardless of whether you may feel that these highs are shit, they are certainly strong and very easy to abuse and come badly unstuck on.

Housefevers description of the list of ingredients for the LU jax are those of the older ones, the new ones are supposedly BZP free, and I am not trying to say that they are definitely BZP free, merely that they are claimed to be so.
In conversation with the guy who owned the stall for legal highs, and I've now got fairly friendly with him, he is struggling to keep up with demand for the various legal highs he sells, lets face it, if you want a high, you can now get it delivered to your doorstep by the postman.

Went shopping yesterday and bought the girlfriend a Halloween outfit...a big name high street store, and lo and behold, behind the counter a big rack of legal highs...lots and lots of pretty pills, along with a big range of different strength Salvia too....

Legal highs are readily available to all, and not just to those that prefer the illegal variety.

And don't forget, it won't be too long before a great many of the so called legal highs join the ranks of the illegal ones....

I read of highs that feel 'clean' or somehow 'dirty' but if the market for the legal highs is a new type of user, ie, people like me who prefer to stay within the law, they are not going to have done anything to compare it to, they will only know of the effect as the high you get off this pill or that one.
And if they also have the sense to research these pretty pills they are going to find their searches directed to threads like this one on various forums, hopefully they will find sensible advice and warnings by doing so.

Biggiro
 
No you haven't mentioned any sources, but you certainly have mentioned brands. I'm not saying you are a vendor, rather, someone with vested interests in one of the companies producing the pills.

when challenged you keep on suggesting to people (including me) that drugs have made us "totally paranoid...". This only reaffirms my allegations. :D
 
Lol, I could say the same about your own replies!!

I sure as fuck don't need to come on here and hype up legal highs, I've personally taken note of info made on this thread and have now tried Mephedrone and would at the moment agree that it is better than the pills I have tried, especially where a 'feelgood' empathy thing is what is looked for.
But it is no use mentioning a particular pill and it's effects if you don't also mention the brand name, otherwise how the hell is anyone going to know what pill you are talking about.


You are welcome to your opinion, but you are also well off the mark....

Biggiro
 
Haven't gone into a graph for sure, have considered doing a trip report, but this isn't the thread for it.
Found a small dose -150mg - was good for sex, but that was taken in our room, no other outside influences, didn't feel specifically aroused, simply 'had a go at sex' to see if it made a difference....and ohhh yes, it certainly did....
A 2nd trial done on the town, a larger dose - approx 250mg eyeballed - proved very empathic, a really good high, girlfriend thought it very similar to MDMA.
Going clubbing this weekend and will try it again.

I rather think that your circumstances dictate how the high will go, but can only speak for myself and only two trials prove nothing.

Addiction is a worry of course, but if Mephedrone is a frequently used chemical in many of the legal highs, how dangerous will addiction prove with these pills?

From all I've found out so far, and I've still so much to learn, for anyone trying legal highs because they are on sale in all major high streets....beware!!

It's easy to warn against substance abuse, but people rarely listen to good advice do they?

With alcohol you have a couple of drinks and feel great, therefore you have a few more because you feel it can only get better...but it never does, does it? However, with pills, one pill may get you high, 2 pills may get you fucked, 3 pills and more?......
It's so easy to swallow a little pill, or sniff a little line, and way easier to get seriously fucked up than it is on booze....

But there are pluses, We went out - as mentioned earlier - last weekend, just out in town, now so far I've only done happy pills in either a festival environment or at home, or maybe at home then popped over the local for social ambience before coming back home.
In town I was high rather than pissed and really noticed the difference in the way the atmosphere developed.
We were alert, not fogged with alcohol...loads of smiling people early on, then as the night progresses the smiles fade, people are still having a good time but you can sense the way things can go wrong and fun can change to violence.
end of the night and people are ratted of their faces, girls can barely stand up, arguments happening as drunken people spill out of the bars and clubs.
We are alert and sober, still high and happy and not remotely violent or argumentative, and I've noticed the same thing in environments where alcohol is a minor factor rather than a major one.
The girlfriend has always maintained the same thing, whether at raves or all night clubs, drugs, legal or otherwise cause less of a social problem than alcohol, and yes, of course there are those who are fucked and in need of medical assistance due to abuse, but booze is usually a factor in that too...

Funny old world isn't it?

Biggiro.
 
You've got that right shambles, you really have, being alert and high is much better than being pissed....a very genuine eye opener.
Although I had already come to that conclusion, re, drugs v alcohol, being in the thick of it in town really highlighted it.

Biggiro
 
Lo and behold the scales fell from his eyes....

and he saw most British people in a typical town centre of a friday and saturday night are just stupid wankers.
Any country that regard the former moron Jade goody as a positive role model is deeply fucked...
 
Wish I could disagree with you in regards to Jade Goody...though she did much to redeem herself when dying of cancer, her campaign was responsible for many thousands of young women getting cervical cancer smears...but in life I loathed her, a stupid, cruel, bigoted bully..

The scales fell from my eyes some time ago though, not that I hadn't been involved in drugs before, albeit more in the form of helping my girlfriend kick a big K habit rather than using them myself.

When I'd go out in town I was just another drinker, though I was never one for going out and getting smashed.
Of course I always knew how dangerous a busy town centre is on Friday and Saturday nights as a result of booze, but one thing I hadn't realised was the difference in atmospheres where drugs and alcohol were concerned.
One is generally happy and the other leary dangerous and rowdy.

Time for work!

Biggiro
 
On another drug forum I found this reply to basically the same question I asked here at the start of the thread
This was the kind of answer I have been looking for, it isn't all-conclusive, merely a thoughtful reply that also gives a small amount of specific information.

Quote; "Butylone is reported to be in Doves and Summer Daze by London Underground according to St Georges toxicolgy unit in London, tested samples came from amnesty bins and seizures at festivals.

They also report Speed Rush products were all found on analysis to contain BZP, TFMPP and DPB (dibenzylpiperazine) despite having stickers declaring them BZP free. Neuroblast and head candy reported to contain “D2PM” (Dipheny-2-pyrrolidinemethanol)

You can get info on capsule analysis via a site called TICTAC but believe you need to pay for this but sometimes you can get info released from this site through other sources, worth a google.

In response to terrapin flyer, the vendors aren't able to state what's in many legal highs due to the laws such as medicine act unless they state not for human consumption and what with all the media hype over some of the RC's at present, I'm not suprised they don't want to admit to some of these substances being in them-let's look at what happened with BZP. Wouldn't it be lovely if we could transform our drugs policy and response to how we deal with new drug trends to allow vendors to be able to include harm reduction info aswell as the contents, with items such as dosage etc so less people would get into bother when experimenting as no doubt people will continue to do!" End quote.

A good reply I think, he doesn't slag off or sneer at legal highs, he simply tells what he knows.

Biggiro
 
biggiro said:
On another drug forum I found this reply to basically the same question I asked here at the start of the thread
This was the kind of answer I have been looking for, it isn't all-conclusive, merely a thoughtful reply that also gives a small amount of specific information.

Quote; "Butylone is reported to be in Doves and Summer Daze by London Underground according to St Georges toxicolgy unit in London, tested samples came from amnesty bins and seizures at festivals.

They also report Speed Rush products were all found on analysis to contain BZP, TFMPP and DPB (dibenzylpiperazine) despite having stickers declaring them BZP free. Neuroblast and head candy reported to contain “D2PM” (Dipheny-2-pyrrolidinemethanol)

You can get info on capsule analysis via a site called TICTAC but believe you need to pay for this but sometimes you can get info released from this site through other sources, worth a google.

In response to terrapin flyer, the vendors aren't able to state what's in many legal highs due to the laws such as medicine act unless they state not for human consumption and what with all the media hype over some of the RC's at present, I'm not suprised they don't want to admit to some of these substances being in them-let's look at what happened with BZP. Wouldn't it be lovely if we could transform our drugs policy and response to how we deal with new drug trends to allow vendors to be able to include harm reduction info aswell as the contents, with items such as dosage etc so less people would get into bother when experimenting as no doubt people will continue to do!" End quote.

A good reply I think, he doesn't slag off or sneer at legal highs, he simply tells what he knows.

Biggiro
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Every single substance that was listed in that text where all mentioned by people in this thread about 100 times.
 
but not collated in quite that way, but in an odd aside here and there, and NOT all of the specific pills mentioned, nor where the tests and results came from, or where you might find actual information.
LU doves WERE said to be rumoured to contain Butylone, but not where that information pertained from, and I don't recall reading anything about speed rush products, nor neuroblast or head candy containing D2PM nor have I read anything about a site called 'tictac' either.

Biggiro
 
I have took a few of them legal pills and i absolutely hate them, but i was looking for an MDMA like experience so i propably had different expectations. The worst of the lot in my opinion are 'Beanz' they contain MBZP and it was one of the worst nights of my life after just one cap.

This thread is a good idea. If someone is thinking of buying any of these pills, atleast they might get some sort of idea whats in them so they can do a bit of research before taking them.
 
Danny Weed said:
I have took a few of them legal pills and i absolutely hate them, but i was looking for an MDMA like experience so i propably had different expectations. The worst of the lot in my opinion are 'Beanz' they contain MBZP and it was one of the worst nights of my life after just one cap.

This thread is a good idea. If someone is thinking of buying any of these pills, atleast they might get some sort of idea whats in them so they can do a bit of research before taking them.
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Danny,
That's the reason I started this thread, and amongst all the replies having a go at me there is some good info.
I was told to try Mephedrone through this thread, did so and found it very good.

The girlfriend has taken loads of MDMA in the past, ditto her mates, we went out to a club in Bristol for an all night Halloween party, Girlfriend rates Mephedrone as very similar to MDMA, gave her friends a gel cap each (300mg) and they also thought the same thing.
I can only use their experience to compare to MDMA as I've not taken it myself, but they loved it and thought it very similar.

This thread has also highlighted that many of the legal pills on sale are made up of the research chemicals that can be obtained on the net, Mephedrone being one of them.

Biggiro
 
get some gelcaps and mix your own pills, you should be able to find one that suits you even better than the off the shelf ones with some experimentation.
welcome to bluelight :D

krisperry said:
biggiro what brand are the red doves. I know I'm not supposed to ask for brands, PM me please.
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he mentions it earlier in the thread, it's ok to mention brands

biggiro said:
I now know who produces the red doves.... AM=HI-CO!!
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