Labour warns [the long-term unemployed] "We are coming for you"

[badandwicked]

And who is the arbiter of if someone falsely believes they are free? Some whiney liberal douchebag who claims to see the bigger picture, and interprets not getting his own way 100% of the time as meaning they're not free no doubt.

You're hardly free if you've got to sell your soul to the devil for the next twenty five years just for the privilege of putting a roof over your head. And if you're not in a position to do that then you're pretty much further fucked.

Within some companies the salary & bonuses of the CEOs alone divided up could boost every employees salary by a couple of quid per hour probably.

 

[Promite]

Dole scum here.

I do not feel like responding to the comments in this thread.

I am looking for a job, any work at all.

I never knew there was so many jobs out there or so many daily mail readers on Bluelight.

And last time I checked McDonald, Burger King and KFC are not hiring in my area.

Guess I will just go hang my self for being unemployed, or prehaps I'll just laugh at this thread bc you talk a load of shit and know nothing about a persons situation.

Peace

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

And who is the arbiter of if someone falsely believes they are free? Some whiney liberal douchebag who claims to see the bigger picture, and interprets not getting his own way 100% of the time as meaning they're not free no doubt.

You tell 'em Massa.

MSB - a man 200 years behind his time.

 

[Allein]

@BadandWicked

And those CEOs command that salary within the current capitalist system that we as a majority have subscribed to, I doubt you've opted put and are living the self sufficient life in a valley in Wales somewhere, I would dearly love to see this country return to socialist values but hat's just not the case at the moment and most people are subscribing to the current system and everything that goes with it.

What is an obscene salary ?? I'm not sure i really think there is one, most people would take the money of was on offer, the whole system relies on those at the top pretty much standing on those at the bottom, and there has to be far more at the bottom for the system to work, I'm not supporting it or even saying its right but its fact and we are a long way from it being any different.

I have no university education, I did have a reasonabley stable up bringing certainly not one to complain about, but I started working at 15 at weekend scrubbing out a local butchers fridges and went on though my teens doing different work from doing the bins, loading lorrioe at night to delivering pizza.

I left home just as I turned 18 and moved into what was little more than a squat having manage to find an electronics company that would take me on at a wopping £6K, I could barely afford the rent and travel costs let alone food and clothes, so I have known what its like to struggle financially.

Down here were I live, about 20 miles north of London, there is work but many positions do go unfilled, yes they are shitty jobs at basic wages, but that's how you start out in life IMO and that the problem my opinion isn't shared by much of the youth coming out of the eduction system, many want fekin jam on it. Hardly surprising though given the morality of our society. My view is we are reaping what we have sowed. I was brought up with socialist values and given a strong work ethic, I think we have lost much of that.

** atm steps off his rather grand soap box **

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

You tell 'em Massa.

MSB - a man 200 years behind his time.

My bad. Carry on with the white devil, we're all slaves, bullshit.

 

[ugly]

You do realise that black people also enslaved a lot of people over the centuries (and today for that matter!), and also played a massive part in America's slave trade too, don't you? I also don't know which channels you watch, but Whitney's and Michaels deaths were massively reported over here. Every newspaper had a picture of Michael on the front, I don't know about Whitney though. All this talk of the white devil is rather humorous though.

Slavery is not anything new, that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. The United States government, private companies, certain industries, had approximately 300 years, even more of slave labor. How much money would how many people earn over centuries? THAT money is in the accounts of the old white guard.

Slaves very commonly referred to their owners as white devils. It is documented and I didn't make it up. I'm white. My dad is from Germany and he is a Nazi. My mom and her people are southern racists. I hear them use the "N" word whenever I am with them. The racism, the hard hearts, the conceited attitudes, the refusal to honor other human beings, the unfounded believe that white people are just normally, naturally, perfectly, better than other colors of people, makes me sick.

It truly truly makes me sick. How can a human being not recognize the spirit in another human being? How will we ever have peace when people have such hideous attitudes about the other people on this planet?

Where are we going to go when we just get so mad at everyone for being different that we have anarchy?

I don't know about the UK but America hates poor people, and black poor people the most. To me personally, that is an unethical ideal and cannot be logically supported.

In the U.S. I read in the paper and heard on the news that Whitney had xanax and wine and drown in the tub. notI wasn't there, I don't assume to know the truth, and it's none of my business. It happens more and more but you don't read about it. Our news here, especially at first, started right in on how much of a crack addict she was. She was a living breathing person. In the U.S. the papers report deaths involving ANY drugs as though the person was an addict and addicts are not persons.

We are on the planet together and if the truly wealthy wanted to help the masses, they could do it. They would rather see us dead.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Slavery is not anything new, that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. The United States government, private companies, certain industries, had approximately 300 years, even more of slave labor. How much money would how many people earn over centuries? THAT money is in the accounts of the old white guard.

Slaves very commonly referred to their owners as white devils. It is documented and I didn't make it up. I'm white. My dad is from Germany and he is a Nazi. My mom and her people are southern racists. I hear them use the "N" word whenever I am with them. The racism, the hard hearts, the conceited attitudes, the refusal to honor other human beings, the unfounded believe that white people are just normally, naturally, perfectly, better than other colors of people, makes me sick.

It truly truly makes me sick. How can a human being not recognize the spirit in another human being? How will we ever have peace when people have such hideous attitudes about the other people on this planet?

Where are we going to go when we just get so mad at everyone for being different that we have anarchy?

I don't know about the UK but America hates poor people, and black poor people the most. To me personally, that is an unethical ideal and cannot be logically supported.

In the U.S. I read in the paper and heard on the news that Whitney had xanax and wine and drown in the tub. notI wasn't there, I don't assume to know the truth, and it's none of my business. It happens more and more but you don't read about it. Our news here, especially at first, started right in on how much of a crack addict she was. She was a living breathing person. In the U.S. the papers report deaths involving ANY drugs as though the person was an addict and addicts are not persons.

We are on the planet together and if the truly wealthy wanted to help the masses, they could do it. They would rather see us dead.

I don't personally think that we suffer from race relation problems to anywhere near the extent America does, although i'm sure someone will insist I am wrong. It is very very rare you will hear anyone use the N word anywhere in the UK, unless they are black of course. I know that the white devil was a name given by slaves, I thought you were using it seriously. Perhaps you should move to Europe where we don't generally hold racist views, like the idea that one person is better to another because of the colour of their skin.

I am unfamiliar with how many families or blue bloods in America owe their estates and wealth to slavery, but over the last century and a half I think some of those families might have lost their money? Especially as their business models relied on a form of labour that disappeared over night.

America hates poor people because Americans dont accept failure. Most people buy into the American dream - that you can become whatever you want to be. Most presumably think that America is a meritocracy. By extension that means that those who are poor deserve it and those who are rich have earnt it. Again, in Europe, there isn't as much of that. I think most people believe there are a lot of people who hold positions in society they deserve, but also that there are an awful lot of people in both brackets who don't belong there.

I think saying that the wealthy would rather see you dead because they won't make your life any more pleasant than they could, when you have food in your belly and a roof over your head, is a tad melodramatic. I know America treats it's unemployed a lot worse than here, but it's hardly Africa.

 

[Allein]

Dole scum here.

I do not feel like responding to the comments in this thread.

I am looking for a job, any work at all.

I never knew there was so many jobs out there or so many daily mail readers on Bluelight.

And last time I checked McDonald, Burger King and KFC are not hiring in my area.

Guess I will just go hang my self for being unemployed, or prehaps I'll just laugh at this thread bc you talk a load of shit and know nothing about a persons situation.

Peace

Well with such an eloquent and useful contribution I'm quite frankly shocked you haven't managed to find work, so we all talk a load of shit but we are the ones that don't understand peoples individual situations.

You'll find, of you hang about a bit there is a extremely diverse membership on this forum both from employment status to political and social views, maybe if you have an real point to make you should actually make it rather than just pop in make a vacuous statement followed by an insult and then go and sulk about it.

 

[brimz]

We don't call it on the dole, we call it unemployment. Dole carries a negative connotation here of some charity for beggars.

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The last Council Estate i lived on was called The Dolemeades how apt .

 

[RLP]

Dole scum here. I am looking for a job, any work at all \nd last time I checked McDonald, Burger King and KFC are not hiring in my area.

It's a shame you missed Burger King's workfare opportunity. Getting paid fuck all for hours of shit work would have been an excellent learning curve and such volunteering has the added bonus of increased profit margins for the companies who gave you such a wonderful opportunity, meaning that extra money saved could go into creating more workfare for other sewer dwelling baby makers such as yourself.

 

[monstanoodle]

It's very rare that beauty and wisdom coincide :D

And I'm sure we have this "dole scum" argument every single year
Likely because the government have the very same argument.

Gah... I'm sure there's much more interesting topics to be discussed like string theory and faster-than-light travel.

 

[Myshkin]

I do not feel like responding to the comments in this thread.

Unless I'm missing something, that statement is in itself a response to the comments in the the thread.

Didn't think that one through really, did you?

It's very rare that beauty and wisdom coincide

Depends on your definition of beauty, don't you think?

 

[monstanoodle]

I was thinking that while typing actually...
You just have to be a cunt don't you Samhain :D~

 

[Albion]

It's a shame you missed Burger King's workfare opportunity. Getting paid fuck all for hours of shit work would have been an excellent learning curve and such volunteering has the added bonus of increased profit margins for the companies who gave you such a wonderful opportunity, meaning that extra money saved could go into creating more workfare for other sewer dwelling baby makers such as yourself.

Ahw be nice.

 

[Myshkin]

You just have to be a cunt don't you Samhain :D~

Sometimes I wish it didn't come so naturally, but if the cap fits...

 

[monstanoodle]

You wear it well

 

[ugly]

My passport is right here in my bag. I never go anywhere without it, because I ever find a ticket to ANYWHERE else, I'm leaving right then. I think Europe has a much better attitude. My youngest daughter was a foreign exchange student in Germany for a year, and the countries are close, the languages are shared, and the attitude isn't puritanical. She's going to move back because she can't find work here. double major, one in History and one in German.

I'm going when she goes or she's going when I go but America is so bad now, I just want to get out.

I'm ready to come to Europe. Now.

 

[badandwicked]

@BadandWicked

And those CEOs command that salary within the current capitalist system that we as a majority have subscribed to, I doubt you've opted put and are living the self sufficient life in a valley in Wales somewhere, I would dearly love to see this country return to socialist values but hat's just not the case at the moment and most people are subscribing to the current system and everything that goes with it.

What is an obscene salary ?? I'm not sure i really think there is one, most people would take the money of was on offer, the whole system relies on those at the top pretty much standing on those at the bottom, and there has to be far more at the bottom for the system to work, I'm not supporting it or even saying its right but its fact and we are a long way from it being any different.

^ why don't you tell me something I don't know?

I haven't opted out of society or the 'system' because the government like to make this impossible to achieve. I don't have a degree either, i've worked since 16, but 3 years ago I made the decision to opt of out a capitalist organisation and work for myself, and remove myself from the system as much as I possibly can. I could only do this because I don't have a mortgage or children.

 

[Allein]

^^^

fair point well made its not impossible to achieve, there are people living a pretty much self sufficient life almost without using money in the UK mainly in Wales.

This is the first of many net links to such communities:-

http://www.thefreemanleague.com/about.htm

If your business is setup to make profit, which I assume it is then it is part of the system, IMO the mere handling of money makes you part of the system, no one is innocent we are all responsible from Fred the Shred (who I have worked for, obviously not directly) to the local window cleaner. Even is you think about those unfortunate to live on our streets, they rely on money from the state or from working people to survive so whilst they have my every sympathy they are the bottom the pyramid of capitalism. Its not mean to be an insult just a statement of fact, opting out is possible but extremely difficult given you have to live without contact with £'s IMO.

Don't try and five yourself I special status just because you don't have to answer to the man it don't wash, to use some very popular words of the moment "we are all in this together"

I'm not really sure what having kids has to do with it, but I guess you may feel that making them live a life of comparative poverty and isolation is wrong, I have kids but since I don't live in a Welsh Valley I couldn't really comment

 

[TheSpade]

And there are jobs, for instance McDonald, cleaning companies, delivery drivers not all the best job in the world but jobs none the less, and surely people would have more purpose with their life

Serving Burgers and telling people to have a nice day or asking if they want fries with that gives you purpose does it? Some purpose that. Is that all there is to life, having a 9-5 job for minimum wage and being treated like shit by a corporate company and members of the public. Fantastic. You'ld be better off on the dole, can do something meaningful with your time, anything has to be better than working in McDonalds.

I made the decision to opt of out a capitalist organisation and work for myself, and remove myself from the system as much as I possibly can. I could only do this because I don't have a mortgage or children.

Interesting. What do you do now? I think this is the only way for me too, do some freelancing, various online projects and money makers rather than working for someone else, especially some big corporate company. Not for me. Also no ties like mortgage and children. Ideally I'll be location independent and able to work from anywhere in the world. I know of a fair few people doing it so there's no reason why I can't.