Opioids kratom tolerance?

[Fire&Water]

Kratom is literally a super weak partial agonist with a duration of under 2hrs & people on here are seriously comparing it to oxycodone, heroin & even tramadol.

Cmon now. Tramadol (and it's active full agonist metabolite) is superior to kratom in every way. If kratom truly felt like tramadol, I'd have been addicted to it a long time ago. I was a tramadol "addict" for 11 years, so I'm very versed on how tramadol feels. I WISH kratom felt anything remotely like tramadol.

Tramadol is a TAAR1 agonist (although very weak), which means it also releases serotonin. It's an extremely unique synthetic opioid. Kratom has nothing on tramadol.

I have never felt anything even remotely enjoyable from kratom, except maybe the extracts. And the extracts high lasted maybe 30 minutes to an hour. And at 10-20 bucks a dose, how the hell does anyone even afford to have a kratom-extract habit anyway? You might as well have a dope habit at that point instead.

Kratom leaf & powder is so full of other alkaloid compounds too & some of those compounds are antagonists & dopamine blockers. And people dare have the nerve to compare it to my precious tramadol (which lasts 6-8hrs & doesn't contain any other sketchy alkaloids).


The DEA's concern with it is pure hysteria too. I'm sure they get on sites like these & see people saying "it feels like oxycodone/heroin/etc!!"... And that's just gonna make them want to ban it, even though it's incredibly inferior to the aforementioned opioids. If it works for you though, that's great. But as some one who's use to tramadol, heroin & buprenorphine, I've never understood the hype around kratom, except for the fact that it's legal. But even though it's legal doesn't mean it's any good.

Bout' the same I feel about it ...

It just feels "dirty"
same way tramadol felt after taking it off and on for a year or so

Methadone also gave me the opioid "heebie-jeebies" pretty damn good for pain
but the muddy (for lack of better term) side effects led me to walk away from it

there are a few more opioids that gave me the same intuitive feels
but those three especially because of how popular / faddish they are at time being

I'll take away the methadone if it keeps one person from using fent'

 

[cnnka]

It's paradise, kratom is fully legal ,so was cannibas but I think there only allowing a doctors prescription now which wouldn't be hard to get .I had so much fresh kratom leaves from this wonderful guy who owned a sort of hippy comunine that I had to start flushing them down the hotel toilet lol.but it is beutiful if you ever get the chance to go don't hesitate .only your flights will be expensive, once your there you can live like royalty and are treated that way .

I’ve also heard though I’m not sure if it’s just rumors that in Thailand benzodiazepines and various kinds of steroids are available over the counter.

Thank you, I have said that about myself too and got scoffed at. I have been drinking 2 cups of coffee every morning for 53 years. During Hurricane Alicia I was in Houston and my power got knocked out for 3 days. No coffee and I was a zombie and had such bad headaches. That was the only time I ever attemped to quit coffee. But i had quit kratom a few times and it was a pain in the ass but nothing like the heavier opioids. But I can not stop coffee and never will at this point.

I tried to turn a few heavy hitters on to kratom and I got laughed at. That was 20 years ago. No more. It does work for me, probably in the codeine range. I also do not find any of the other alkaloids bad at all. In fact most I can not feel. When I stop it is a very light opiate withdrawal.

I use to take 50 grams a day of leaf. The last few years I am down to 10 gr in the morning and 10 at night. Working my way down. Tapering is painless but the mind tugs and reminds us. But I find the plain leaf always works at the same level.

I am willing to bet this 7-OH ban will drag it's heals. Lots of posturing these days. And isn't tianeptine a lot stronger and sold all over? Yup, heals will be dragged. We will see. But I also understand from some regular posters here that 7-OH can be a heavy hitter but kicks up tolerance and is hard to quit compared to leaf.


Agreed. Kratom is no oxycodone or heroin. It does work for me though so I run with it. But I often wonder if people that talk of shooting or snorting something strong are aware that speaking about it brings attention? I always said we have to be wise like an owl and sly like a fox. But someone will come on a harm reduction forum and ask if they can "shoot" this or that. Not a good optic. Just needs a little more discretion.

The plain leaf will remain for now. The pills who knows. The only control over them should be a quality control, not ban. I am all for over 18 laws but not total bans. And in 10 years we will have 5 other plants to look at. I bet someone will take chamomile and make a strong benzo from it. Then what?

The one drug I know I’ll never want to quit is nicotine. I don’t really mind the form of course, I prefer smoking but I honestly can’t imagine my life without it. I also love coffee and probably drink way too much caffeine, but I can easily go without it. I’ve never had any real “withdrawal” from caffeine; maybe my head feels a bit foggy longer after waking up, but that’s it. I just enjoy the taste and the mild effects.

As for kratom, I actually liked it at first, but the withdrawal hit me pretty hard. I didn’t experience cravings, but the physical and mental withdrawals were strong. Two main reasons made me quit: first, I was waking up the next morning feeling sick, and the taste became really disgusting to me. Second, and more importantly, I kept reading all those stories in the news and on Reddit about seizures, which freaked me out. On top of that, I was getting brain zaps on kratom, especially when trying to fall asleep. Many times, after the effects wore off, my anxiety would come back, and I couldn’t sleep well because of it.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

I don't have time to read the entire thread. But I've been using kratom on and off for the last several years (I've lost count). Currently, I consume about 250 grams per week. At one point for a few years I was taking 500+ grams per week (over 10 grams per dose).

I've discovered that my tolerance mostly stays the same. I've also figured out that typically I can take half my usual dose in the morning (which is probably 4-6 grams per dose, no idea I don't weigh it) and withdrawals will go away. That will hold me for 2-3 hours until I feel very mild w/d setting in.

My usual daily intake looks like this: Take 4-6 grams upon waking, take a second dose about the same weight sometime within the next 2-3 hours. From that point I take the same dose every 2-6 hours throughout the day. Plus I always take one before attempting to sleep. I do that because if I don't I will wake up in the middle of the night in mild w/d. If I take one before bed I know I can sleep 6-8 hours.

I almost always wake up with the sweats, runny nose, need to have bowel movement (but it isn't anything like oxy/morphine w/d, I won't shit my pants I just know I need to go). I take powder only of course. Every now and again I'll take some of these new 7-oh pills with a dose if I want to attempt to nod. Those are hit and miss. But when they do work they last 6-8+ hours if taken with my usual kratom intake. I limit myself to no more than 80mg of those a week and no more than 30mg in one day. Never two days in a row.

My tolerance has mostly remained the same for all these years (maybe going on 10 years of use now?). Except for when I was going through that stint of taking 10 grams per dose/500+grams weekly. When I dropped from taking that to what I take now (about half) w/d was very mild and it wasn't painful at all. So I was wasting a lot of money for those 2 years. Since kratom doesn't really get you higher past a certain point. Which I'm at as far as I can tell.

Daily I'm probably at about 40-50 grams per day or something. I really should use a scale instead of tapping it out on a piece of paper to toss+wash it. It's certainly much better than cheaper than my old oxy/morphine/hydro/heroin/etc habits from back in the day. I spend in a week now what I used to spend in a half a day _when pills were still cheap and real_.

Also, with kratom I've noticed the main issue is everything else in it and not the mild opioid. I can deal with the w/d from kratom opioid wise it's a walk in the park compared to all the other opioids I've done. But all that other stuff that works as an anti-depressant is what ends up getting you and making you feel bad. You feel off and you can't put your finger on it. It's strange.

I figured out when I tried to jump from kratom to bupe that I could still feel kratom effects even when taking 1-2mg of bupe daily. I was still getting high from what I assume were all the other things in the kratom. Or maybe the kratom and bupe can be mixed opioid wise without blocking each other. I don't know. Maybe my bupe doses were too low to block opioids. When I was taking real opioids I never tried to waste them while using bupe. I did feel like the effects of things like oxy/morphine were diminished if I'd taken 1-2mg of bupe in the past 24 hours. At least initial doses when jumping back to other opiods were.

Another thing I've noticed with daily kratom is the fact that it does things like it starts turning your hair white and makes your hair really brittle. I wonder what else it's doing to me long term. I've seen several reports of hair loss in people that take it daily and I've seen a big difference in my own hair since I started taking it years ago. In fact, within about a month of starting daily use I noticed much more hair shedding and there would be tons of it in the bottom of the tub after I took a bath. My hair also doesn't grow in nearly as long anymore if I let it grow out. I also started sprouting these strange white hairs in places where I used to not get them. But perhaps I'm just getting old? I saw enough similar reports on the web that it concerned me.

Kratom has also given me some dark urine over the years where it was enough to concern me even with proper fluid intake. I think that started during the 10 grams per dose+mixing it daily with phenibut phase I had. I haven't taken phenibut at all in over 2-3 years now. I only take kratom daily now. But still my urine is sometimes really dark. I've even seen it turn straight brown. So I'm very concerned about what it might be doing to my liver+kidneys.

Anyway, IME most people with heavy kratom habits can starve off w/d with much lower doses of it. It's easy to taper. The main issue is will power to not take more. Since it's so cheap and easy to obtain more of it compared to other substances.

I plan on stopping again in the near future. I will say this though it's great at dealing with long term chronic pain. The reason I keep coming back is due to chronic pain and the fact that kratom is the only opioid I can obtain locally OTC.

Edit: I should mention this. I suspect the hair turning white thing might be due to contamination of the kratom I take with lead or something similar. My main worry with it is the fact that that it isn't grown/harvested/prepared for shipping in the best of conditions. I've gotten plenty of bunk bags of it over the years. I suspect it's often cut with other things to bulk weight up or that it might just be old/bad stock. I've also found lots of things in mine over the years like random hairs and other trash.

 

[Them Witches]

With all due respect these 7-OH threads are getting too popular and boring at the same time.

Once it gets moved to a schedule 1 drug, I hope 7-OH addicts get relief from MAT.

 

[lost weekend]

I’ve also heard though I’m not sure if it’s just rumors that in Thailand benzodiazepines and various kinds of steroids are available over the counter.


The one drug I know I’ll never want to quit is nicotine. I don’t really mind the form of course, I prefer smoking but I honestly can’t imagine my life without it. I also love coffee and probably drink way too much caffeine, but I can easily go without it. I’ve never had any real “withdrawal” from caffeine; maybe my head feels a bit foggy longer after waking up, but that’s it. I just enjoy the taste and the mild effects.

As for kratom, I actually liked it at first, but the withdrawal hit me pretty hard. I didn’t experience cravings, but the physical and mental withdrawals were strong. Two main reasons made me quit: first, I was waking up the next morning feeling sick, and the taste became really disgusting to me. Second, and more importantly, I kept reading all those stories in the news and on Reddit about seizures, which freaked me out. On top of that, I was getting brain zaps on kratom, especially when trying to fall asleep. Many times, after the effects wore off, my anxiety would come back, and I couldn’t sleep well because of it.

That's all very well if you can taper but if you have to quit cold turkey it feels as bad as any opiate even though its not one.ive never tried strong opiates but I can interchange between kratom and dhc without any discomfort as they both kind of give you energy and make you sleep at night.now giving a heroin user kratom would be like farting in the wind ,it would have no affect .as for coffee I could certainly do without appart from a latte I drink several of them a day

I don't have time to read the entire thread. But I've been using kratom on and off for the last several years (I've lost count). Currently, I consume about 250 grams per week. At one point for a few years I was taking 500+ grams per week (over 10 grams per dose).

I've discovered that my tolerance mostly stays the same. I've also figured out that typically I can take half my usual dose in the morning (which is probably 4-6 grams per dose, no idea I don't weigh it) and withdrawals will go away. That will hold me for 2-3 hours until I feel very mild w/d setting in.

My usual daily intake looks like this: Take 4-6 grams upon waking, take a second dose about the same weight sometime within the next 2-3 hours. From that point I take the same dose every 2-6 hours throughout the day. Plus I always take one before attempting to sleep. I do that because if I don't I will wake up in the middle of the night in mild w/d. If I take one before bed I know I can sleep 6-8 hours.

I almost always wake up with the sweats, runny nose, need to have bowel movement (but it isn't anything like oxy/morphine w/d, I won't shit my pants I just know I need to go). I take powder only of course. Every now and again I'll take some of these new 7-oh pills with a dose if I want to attempt to nod. Those are hit and miss. But when they do work they last 6-8+ hours if taken with my usual kratom intake. I limit myself to no more than 80mg of those a week and no more than 30mg in one day. Never two days in a row.

My tolerance has mostly remained the same for all these years (maybe going on 10 years of use now?). Except for when I was going through that stint of taking 10 grams per dose/500+grams weekly. When I dropped from taking that to what I take now (about half) w/d was very mild and it wasn't painful at all. So I was wasting a lot of money for those 2 years. Since kratom doesn't really get you higher past a certain point. Which I'm at as far as I can tell.

Daily I'm probably at about 40-50 grams per day or something. I really should use a scale instead of tapping it out on a piece of paper to toss+wash it. It's certainly much better than cheaper than my old oxy/morphine/hydro/heroin/etc habits from back in the day. I spend in a week now what I used to spend in a half a day _when pills were still cheap and real_.

Also, with kratom I've noticed the main issue is everything else in it and not the mild opioid. I can deal with the w/d from kratom opioid wise it's a walk in the park compared to all the other opioids I've done. But all that other stuff that works as an anti-depressant is what ends up getting you and making you feel bad. You feel off and you can't put your finger on it. It's strange.

I figured out when I tried to jump from kratom to bupe that I could still feel kratom effects even when taking 1-2mg of bupe daily. I was still getting high from what I assume were all the other things in the kratom. Or maybe the kratom and bupe can be mixed opioid wise without blocking each other. I don't know. Maybe my bupe doses were too low to block opioids. When I was taking real opioids I never tried to waste them while using bupe. I did feel like the effects of things like oxy/morphine were diminished if I'd taken 1-2mg of bupe in the past 24 hours. At least initial doses when jumping back to other opiods were.

Another thing I've noticed with daily kratom is the fact that it does things like it starts turning your hair white and makes your hair really brittle. I wonder what else it's doing to me long term. I've seen several reports of hair loss in people that take it daily and I've seen a big difference in my own hair since I started taking it years ago. In fact, within about a month of starting daily use I noticed much more hair shedding and there would be tons of it in the bottom of the tub after I took a bath. My hair also doesn't grow in nearly as long anymore if I let it grow out. I also started sprouting these strange white hairs in places where I used to not get them. But perhaps I'm just getting old? I saw enough similar reports on the web that it concerned me.

Kratom has also given me some dark urine over the years where it was enough to concern me even with proper fluid intake. I think that started during the 10 grams per dose+mixing it daily with phenibut phase I had. I haven't taken phenibut at all in over 2-3 years now. I only take kratom daily now. But still my urine is sometimes really dark. I've even seen it turn straight brown. So I'm very concerned about what it might be doing to my liver+kidneys.

Anyway, IME most people with heavy kratom habits can starve off w/d with much lower doses of it. It's easy to taper. The main issue is will power to not take more. Since it's so cheap and easy to obtain more of it compared to other substances.

I plan on stopping again in the near future. I will say this though it's great at dealing with long term chronic pain. The reason I keep coming back is due to chronic pain and the fact that kratom is the only opioid I can obtain locally OTC.

Edit: I should mention this. I suspect the hair turning white thing might be due to contamination of the kratom I take with lead or something similar. My main worry with it is the fact that that it isn't grown/harvested/prepared for shipping in the best of conditions. I've gotten plenty of bunk bags of it over the years. I suspect it's often cut with other things to bulk weight up or that it might just be old/bad stock. I've also found lots of things in mine over the years like random hairs and other trash.

I've a full full head of hear ,always been brittle [before kratom] starting getting white hairs at 20 [before kratom] my uncles hair was turning white the same time so it's genetic .17 years every day give or take .

 

[lost weekend]

You find young women repulsive? Sorry, we are from different planets.

Not much into 15 year olds

 

[lost weekend]

I’ve also heard though I’m not sure if it’s just rumors that in Thailand benzodiazepines and various kinds of steroids are available over the counter.


The one drug I know I’ll never want to quit is nicotine. I don’t really mind the form of course, I prefer smoking but I honestly can’t imagine my life without it. I also love coffee and probably drink way too much caffeine, but I can easily go without it. I’ve never had any real “withdrawal” from caffeine; maybe my head feels a bit foggy longer after waking up, but that’s it. I just enjoy the taste and the mild effects.

As for kratom, I actually liked it at first, but the withdrawal hit me pretty hard. I didn’t experience cravings, but the physical and mental withdrawals were strong. Two main reasons made me quit: first, I was waking up the next morning feeling sick, and the taste became really disgusting to me. Second, and more importantly, I kept reading all those stories in the news and on Reddit about seizures, which freaked me out. On top of that, I was getting brain zaps on kratom, especially when trying to fall asleep. Many times, after the effects wore off, my anxiety would come back, and I couldn’t sleep well because of it.

Sorry I didn't mean to reply to you it was to another bluelighter .apologies

 

[lost weekend]

You find young women repulsive? Sorry, we are from different planets.

Sorry you should have read my earlier posts, I meant children ie 15 year olds. I find all women attractive young and middleage .

 

[Psynaught]

I don't have time to read the entire thread. But I've been using kratom on and off for the last several years (I've lost count). Currently, I consume about 250 grams per week. At one point for a few years I was taking 500+ grams per week (over 10 grams per dose).

I've discovered that my tolerance mostly stays the same. I've also figured out that typically I can take half my usual dose in the morning (which is probably 4-6 grams per dose, no idea I don't weigh it) and withdrawals will go away. That will hold me for 2-3 hours until I feel very mild w/d setting in.

My usual daily intake looks like this: Take 4-6 grams upon waking, take a second dose about the same weight sometime within the next 2-3 hours. From that point I take the same dose every 2-6 hours throughout the day. Plus I always take one before attempting to sleep. I do that because if I don't I will wake up in the middle of the night in mild w/d. If I take one before bed I know I can sleep 6-8 hours.

I almost always wake up with the sweats, runny nose, need to have bowel movement (but it isn't anything like oxy/morphine w/d, I won't shit my pants I just know I need to go). I take powder only of course. Every now and again I'll take some of these new 7-oh pills with a dose if I want to attempt to nod. Those are hit and miss. But when they do work they last 6-8+ hours if taken with my usual kratom intake. I limit myself to no more than 80mg of those a week and no more than 30mg in one day. Never two days in a row.

My tolerance has mostly remained the same for all these years (maybe going on 10 years of use now?). Except for when I was going through that stint of taking 10 grams per dose/500+grams weekly. When I dropped from taking that to what I take now (about half) w/d was very mild and it wasn't painful at all. So I was wasting a lot of money for those 2 years. Since kratom doesn't really get you higher past a certain point. Which I'm at as far as I can tell.

Daily I'm probably at about 40-50 grams per day or something. I really should use a scale instead of tapping it out on a piece of paper to toss+wash it. It's certainly much better than cheaper than my old oxy/morphine/hydro/heroin/etc habits from back in the day. I spend in a week now what I used to spend in a half a day _when pills were still cheap and real_.

Also, with kratom I've noticed the main issue is everything else in it and not the mild opioid. I can deal with the w/d from kratom opioid wise it's a walk in the park compared to all the other opioids I've done. But all that other stuff that works as an anti-depressant is what ends up getting you and making you feel bad. You feel off and you can't put your finger on it. It's strange.

I figured out when I tried to jump from kratom to bupe that I could still feel kratom effects even when taking 1-2mg of bupe daily. I was still getting high from what I assume were all the other things in the kratom. Or maybe the kratom and bupe can be mixed opioid wise without blocking each other. I don't know. Maybe my bupe doses were too low to block opioids. When I was taking real opioids I never tried to waste them while using bupe. I did feel like the effects of things like oxy/morphine were diminished if I'd taken 1-2mg of bupe in the past 24 hours. At least initial doses when jumping back to other opiods were.

Another thing I've noticed with daily kratom is the fact that it does things like it starts turning your hair white and makes your hair really brittle. I wonder what else it's doing to me long term. I've seen several reports of hair loss in people that take it daily and I've seen a big difference in my own hair since I started taking it years ago. In fact, within about a month of starting daily use I noticed much more hair shedding and there would be tons of it in the bottom of the tub after I took a bath. My hair also doesn't grow in nearly as long anymore if I let it grow out. I also started sprouting these strange white hairs in places where I used to not get them. But perhaps I'm just getting old? I saw enough similar reports on the web that it concerned me.

Kratom has also given me some dark urine over the years where it was enough to concern me even with proper fluid intake. I think that started during the 10 grams per dose+mixing it daily with phenibut phase I had. I haven't taken phenibut at all in over 2-3 years now. I only take kratom daily now. But still my urine is sometimes really dark. I've even seen it turn straight brown. So I'm very concerned about what it might be doing to my liver+kidneys.

Anyway, IME most people with heavy kratom habits can starve off w/d with much lower doses of it. It's easy to taper. The main issue is will power to not take more. Since it's so cheap and easy to obtain more of it compared to other substances.

I plan on stopping again in the near future. I will say this though it's great at dealing with long term chronic pain. The reason I keep coming back is due to chronic pain and the fact that kratom is the only opioid I can obtain locally OTC.

Edit: I should mention this. I suspect the hair turning white thing might be due to contamination of the kratom I take with lead or something similar. My main worry with it is the fact that that it isn't grown/harvested/prepared for shipping in the best of conditions. I've gotten plenty of bunk bags of it over the years. I suspect it's often cut with other things to bulk weight up or that it might just be old/bad stock. I've also found lots of things in mine over the years like random hairs and other trash.

Thank you brother for the read....keeps me even more careful. Didn't touch any kratom or opioids today....of course went out dancing with the wife and bestie (he is a BJJ BB...we both are gym buddies/old martial artists) on 2/3rds of a hit of ecstasy and then half an adderal (which I shouldn't be messing with at my age). Always try and remember, don't be daft, start with half (ex). Man he and his GF put away more away than me. Hit and a half of ex, vaping weed all night, plenty of drinks (I have not touched alcohol in decades) and 2 grams of mushrooms. I used to like mushrooms but not so much anymore. I smoked tons of pot as a kid....stopped for 20 years and then when I tried it again at age 55 I didn't like it.

Going to take some Xanax to sleep (along w/ my script Quetiepine and Ambient). As mentioned, got my pink strawberry 7oH in today but have not tried it yet. Probably will feel crappy tomorrow (the usual after X and being up to 5:30 AM). Wife didn't drink a drop or take anything, but she is pretty solidly anti-drug/drinking. We went out for Sushi first, food is her thing (keeps slim with Zepbound).

Don't know if I will make it to the gym tomorrow, probably not.

But thanks everyone for the comments and keeping me on the (relatively) straight and narrow.

 

[Psynaught]

Sorry you should have read my earlier posts, I meant children ie 15 year olds. I find all women attractive young and middleage .

Anything longer than 21 is pretty much a kid to me. I like em 28-50. I am old as dirt. My wife is 15 years younger than me and still gets carded at age 48. Still a doll face. I am a total gym rat, but am getting old and ugly. I keep telling my wife she needs to upgrade her husband.

 

[Psynaught]

With all due respect these 7-OH threads are getting too popular and boring at the same time.

Once it gets moved to a schedule 1 drug, I hope 7-OH addicts get relief from MAT.

Sorry my friend, brand new stuff for me. But the important point I have learned is it is addictive. As mentioned I have been taking 4.5 grams of Kratom a day 5 days a week for several years now with absolutely no problems. I have a pretty large Oxy, Tramadol, and fent stash that I touch rarely.

Fortunately I do lots of reading on this forum and stay fairly non addicted.

If it were not for this discussion I might have thought that I could do a little of the 7oH's daily the way I do a little bit of Kratom.

So fortunately you wiser and more experienced heads keep me out of trouble.

 

[lost weekend]

Sorry I didn't mean to reply to you it was to another bluelighter .apologies

About benzos I wouldn't ask otc but it would be easy to pay a doctor and there everywhere to prescribe you.i know someone who got benzos from a chemist /pharmacy and wondered why it was taking so long ,he got them and outside was a single cop asking for his prescription. Fined 3000baht ,vallies taken and told to go on his way.if they can make money from gullible tourists who are breaking the law they will.different years ago but not now.not saying this happens everywhere but it happened to him.you can get gabapentin otc which is nice and as much fresh kratom or brewed kratom as you can ingest .don't waste money on craft sodas with kratom in it there garbage and cost double the price of a beer

 

[lost weekend]

Anything longer than 21 is pretty much a kid to me. I like em 28-50. I am old as dirt. My wife is 15 years younger than me and still gets carded at age 48. Still a doll face. I am a total gym rat, but am getting old and ugly. I keep telling my wife she needs to upgrade her husband.

I should say when I'm out in pubs late and all the young lads are wrecked they head straight for the older woman ,I would as well but they'd look the other way and ignore me lol

 

[lost weekend]

About benzos I wouldn't ask otc but it would be easy to pay a doctor and there everywhere to prescribe you.i know someone who got benzos from a chemist /pharmacy and wondered why it was taking so long ,he got them and outside was a single cop asking for his prescription. Fined 3000baht ,vallies taken and told to go on his way.if they can make money from gullible tourists who are breaking the law they will.different years ago but not now.not saying this happens everywhere but it happened to him.you can get gabapentin otc which is nice and as much fresh kratom or brewed kratom as you can ingest .don't waste money on craft sodas with kratom in it there garbage and cost double the price of a beer

Also going down bangla Road which is the main party street I'm constanly harassed with guys tapping there noses saying you want coke ,I must have a devious face ,but I just ignore them .almost certainly it would be fake and I don't fancy spending an extended holiday in a Thai jail

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

And in 10 years we will have 5 other plants to look at. I bet someone will take chamomile and make a strong benzo from it. Then what?

I'm surprised no one has yet! It would surely be interesting!

I've always told my friends & family who deal with benzo withdrawals to drink super strong chamomile tea & it's helped them through it. Chamomile works on some of the same receptors, so it should be able to alleviate some WD's if you take enough of it.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Most people here compare 7-OH to oxy, which I think is a pretty fair comparison.
When it comes to the kratom high, if you have no tolerance and get good quality leaf, it can actually give you a really nice buzz. Honestly, some of my best highs were from kratom leaf combined with a bit of weed it felt warm, heavy, and dizzying to the point where I couldn’t even stand or walk straight. But that was in the early days after a while, the effects fade and it just becomes a pretty nasty drug to take.

As for tramadol, it was never my thing it barely lasted more than four hours for me.

7-OH, though, is in a completely different league compared to either kratom or tramadol. Way more potent.

Guess it just goes to show how wildly different drugs can affect & vary between people.

I've never had any memorable experiences from kratom. But I have years & years of memorable experiences with stuff like tramadol (which a lot of people tend to hate on).

 

[Psynaught]

Guess it just goes to show how wildly different drugs can affect & vary between people.

I've never had any memorable experiences from kratom. But I have years & years of memorable experiences with stuff like tramadol (which a lot of people tend to hate on).

I posted a thread about how I was not that impressed with 7oH. But last night I had some serious back pain and a Soma and Opia worked great. Question is, how many nights can I do that combo w/ out getting addicted?

 

[cnnka]

I posted a thread about how I was not that impressed with 7oH. But last night I had some serious back pain and a Soma and Opia worked great. Question is, how many nights can I do that combo w/ out getting addicted?

You can try a higher dose for recreational bc you take kratom and you’re somewhat accustomed to it but even then don’t expect to blow your pants off.

I did 15mg 7OH with 50mg hydroxyzine every night for 2 weeks or maybe even 3 and didn’t have a WD afterwards, maybe the next day felt somewhat shitty but that was probably because I don’t get good sleep with 7OH.

 

[Runi]

Not sure how much it takes to get addicted or what the withdrawal would be like but I take 15g just about every morning before work. If I forget, I notice something is missing but nothing major, like forgetting to have your morning coffee. Sometimes I run out and don’t order for a bit and everything is fine, no withdrawal symptoms. The euphoric buzz was only the first dose or so and after that it went away but like I said if I forget taking I do feel just a little bit off.
Too nasty to get a lot down the hatch imo.

 

[Psynaught]

Fortunately my back stopped bothering me so much. I think I have taken Opia 3 times. About one and 3/4 pills total over 8-9 days. I definitely think it can be very addictive, if you take a solid amount you are definitely high and it only lasts a short time. Going to be very careful with the stuff. One gal over on Face Book says she got addicted just taking it 3-4 days a week.

Just going with my regular 4.5 grams of Kratom tonight. Watching Eternuat (good sci fi show) and Bosch, great cop show to keep my mind occupied.