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Stimulants Kratom for meth withdraw?

keeponkeepnon said:
Ugh Kratom and Meth in the same sentence.....
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What is wrong with that? Its not as bad as mixing meth and PCP or meth and GHB and I have done both of those mixes multiple times Meth and Kratom seems like one of the safest things next to riding the kiddie rides and Disneyland...
 
^Meth and GHB combo can potentially have strong synergy, euphoria, etc. You're already doin what you have to do - cutting down use and leaving cravings unnoticed. I personally as well as many others have failed to control my behavior and give myself at most 2-3 days rest between sessions nowadays. However I have become a regular user over time. The amount you report ingesting is the highest I have seen, you are cessating your usage very easily for the amount used. I use 0.1-2 to get me high but I can't help but do it regularly with at most a few day break. Those dosages of 1g/day, smoking 7g in one sitting etc may be having some immense physiological/hormonal effect and taxing our bodies to an unsustainable level, the withdrawal is perhaps offset by the strain lifted from your body when you stop getting high. If you have had any sort of opiate habit before I would be very cautious with kratom. However functioning like a human is probably more easily on kratom binges. But many including myself would undoubtedly make regular use of a combination of the two whenever both of them are available. Anyone who has ever recreationally used opiates to a point of dependance and has came off them successfully should avoid them at all costs unless absolutely necessary (extreme pain etc). There are many things to lift the depression and increase recovery from amphetamines, 5-htp, fish oil, dl-phenylalanine, fruits and vegetables etc. I wish to add that you are doing your body a great service by quitting as 1g daily will have massive neurotoxicity,
 
MAmp said:
What you get for hundreds I get for practicably nothing infact all i do is fuck bitches I know that buy alot and I dick it down good and I get hooked up.
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Loved this post. LOL. You sound like those crazy guys I sometimes can't help but like in real life, even if they're obviously bad news, and it's hilarious how you just admit to something like that with no shame.

I've also considered this option, actually. Well, not really seriously, just find it interesting that it's there. Only what I had in mind was a bit more innocent than that. Or quite a lot more maybe. On the other hand, as you're a male you probably enjoy doing it anyway, so it's a bit like killing two birds with one stone and there's no harm to your self-image or judgement by society like a female would endure. While I would be extremely traumatised by having to endure something like that. I'd rather be drugless for life.

Anyway, about your question, I've hardly used any amphetamine type drugs or other stimulants, so no advice there, but I have been using Kratom regularly for over 5 years. It's been my opiate of choice because of the legality and how easy it is to get hold of it (though eventully it can get even more expensive than synthetic opiates). I also like the slight stimulant effects with the opiate feelings. In fact it seems like a good WD/taper help for you as it can both give you some of the stimulation you miss and give you some comfort in your withdrawals by the opiate like effects. I can't believe anyone would want to deny anyone any form of relief going through any kind hard withdrawal.

He didn't say he was going to swap one addiction for another, that is another issue that can be dealt with when the withdrawals are over. I did get addicted to Kratom though. If addicted is even the right word, at the start it's almost more like a preference, like craving your coffee, as opiates are my favourite drugs and when I found a cheap and easily accessible susbstitute I wasn't going to let go of it. I'm now talking about the tea or the regular powder, and this is so gentle there is really no proper "high", more like a semi-high, that just puts you in a nice headspace. And the withdrawal symptomps involved are mild. You just feel in a shitty mood and a bit physically uncomfortable for 5 days or so.

Kratom has also never impaired my life, not even when I moved on to UEI, the strongest extract which contains synthetic morphine molecules. That is the only extract worth bothering with, that, and Full Spectrum Tincture which I can't find anymore but was more effective due to it already being dissolved in alcohol and not having to chug all that powder and waiting for it to work. These make the withdrawals significantly harder, though, but nothing to really cry about unlike most other opiates.

But my use never made me dysfunctional in any way, on the contrary, very social and ready and willing to work. But then you enjoy most activities on opiates and the stimulant aspect makes you want to be active and avoids that "Just wanting to sit around all day nodding and never get off my ass" that other opiates are known to cause. Also, you can usually hide being on Kratom and act normal, except when you've taken a high dose of extract with low tolerance to it.

It's also not that harmful to the body, compared to heroin or opiate pills, a much more natural product. I'd put the potential for damage to your body like this: 1) Heroin (not to mention involving needles). 2) Painkillers (those addicted to painkillers don't look half as bad as strung-out junkies). 3) Kratom in any form. So if you've been doing Meth like you say it's hardly anything to freak out about and might be a positive substitute for you, as you didn't say anything about wanting to be drug-free.

It really depends how you progress through the different forms and strengths of the plant. As for me, I only used regular leaf powder for 6-12 months, like a weak opiate tea that kept me away from other drugs. Then it stopped working and I could hardly feel anything from it. Then I discovered those extracts (the only ones worth the money) and got stronger effects than I'd ever had before. It was almost indistinguishable from a typical Morphine high, from whatever source, and I got easily high on it for a few years of regular use before the effects started to weaken. I'll never get back those highly euphoric feelings or it would alsocost me a fortune because I need so much to feel an effect and the price have doubled in the past 5 years.

So to sum up, it's basically like legal Morphine (UEI), and if you take enough it can replace any opiate. The comparison in strength is dependent on the amount you take. Not sure if tolerance sets in faster, but it almost stops working at some point, unlike other opiates (at reasonable amounts). It's more like an occasional mood lift for me now, a very effective one, makes the day completely enjoyable. I'd say there's not much to lose (except for potentially a lot of money). And maybe not as many lovers around who can supply you, so that is a bit of a dilemma.

Hope that helped. Don't really get the bullying just for asking a question like that on a forum that's more about drug abuse than harm protection in reality.
 
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