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[Ketamine Subthread] The K-Hole

To all the people saying there is no such thing as a k-hole: you are WRONG, so wrong!

A k-hole is like a dmt-breakthrough, but dissociative, and thus quite different in its own way. The main similarity they share is near-full anesthetization (as other posters have implied, beyond the "k-hole" lies only darkness) and a state of pure non-linearity. You don't know what is going on until you come down, 99% of the time. For me it's much like a dream, one moment I'm sitting in my chair in my room, then I feel it coming on like a wave of hot steel wool, then all of a sudden I'm just no longer present. Usually I start going through these strange subconscious "rooms" or "halls" in my mind. It's very hard to explain, and while it's going on I'm usually just kind of like "huh." Oftentimes if I do it right after work or some other extended activity I'll think I'm still at work or whatever it was, stocking shelves or whatever it was I was doing. Always strangely repetetive, menial tasks, and always laced with a sense of profound confusion and fucked-upness. Then you start to come down, and that's when things can get REALLY strange. A sensation of time moving backwards, or happening all at once. The feeling of being an alien in your own body/surroundings. A feeling of slowly "falling" back into your body, as if from the center of the universe, or some spirit world. Almost as if you could have just as easily fallen into some other body.

I haven't done any dissociatives in about a year because I started abusing them and they punished me, but still I hate to see them dissed like this. They are truly awe-inspiring drugs when taken at sufficient doses, and I'm sure others on this board will testify to it.
 
There are M-holes too (with mxe), and though I've never done any of the pcps, I'm sure they have their own holes (p-holes?) too, it's just a matter of whether you really want to get there. M-holes, for example, were never really that worth it for me. I'd do them anyway, but they felt much dirtier and with less substance than k-holes. Ketamine will always be the best dissociative for this reason i think, being so quick-acting and (relatively) clean.

As far as how to hit a hole, the key, as with DMT breakthroughs, is to do a lot, as quickly as possible. This generally means IMing it, for me at least. I've hit the hole nasally before, but only when doing 7-inch lines all at once. Really starts to mess with your nose after a while.
 
for me its an anesthetic state where you have to be laying down with your eyes closed

You arn't saying you take anasthetic doses of K tho are you? What dose do you take?

To all the people saying there is no such thing as a k-hole: you are WRONG, so wrong!

In what sense do you understand the term "hole"? Here are a few definitions of what a hole is:

an opening through something eg "a hole in my sock"

an area where something is missing "eg he fixed a hole in the roof"

a cave, pit, or well in the ground

a prison cell especially for solitary confinement

a shallow cylindrical hole in the putting green of a golf course into which the ball is played
 
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@Ismene: I feel like you are taking the definition of a "hole" way too literally, which is somewhat surprising considering you are on the Psychedelic Drugs section of a drug forum. To me the term "hole" comes from the feeling that your consciousness is falling out of your body and your inability to control it properly. It is the extreme separation that comes from mind and body due to a high state of dissociation.

Though if I never heard of the term I personally would not have thought of the name "hole" for the state, someone has coined it and the community has decided that it would stick, and honestly it is somewhat fitting.
 
Yeah what he said ^. Pretty sure I explained in decent detail what my idea of the "hole" is. It's a state nearing full anesthetization, one of non-linearity and sometimes filled with dream-like subconscious visions. Right "below" the hole lies another crazy state of mind where I've experienced hearing music slow down and then speed up at at once, or even a feeling of all my actions flowing backwards through time. All with a deep sense of alienation and great difficulty controlling your body.
 
You arn't saying you take anasthetic doses of K tho are you? What dose do you take?

To all the people saying there is no such thing as a k-hole: you are WRONG, so wrong!

In what sense do you understand the term "hole"? Here are a few definitions of what a hole is:

an opening through something eg "a hole in my sock"

an area where something is missing "eg he fixed a hole in the roof"

a cave, pit, or well in the ground

a prison cell especially for solitary confinement

a shallow cylindrical hole in the putting green of a golf course into which the ball is played


are you serious? i don't mean to sound like an ass but really dude? come on. its not a literal hole. its a phrase like many have said. its like being somewhere else that doesnt exist. like a black hole i guess you could say.
 
i think what j.lilly calls "we network of creation" is the k-hole, and is the best description i have read, i have always had extreme difficulty puting it into words, as words don't exactly exist there and the existance is almost completly diffrent than existing in regular states of consiossness
 
The k-hole is a very simple concept: body asleep, mind awake.
You can't move any part of your body.
 
The hole represents a qualitative shift in the experience that cannot be represented as a linear increase in intensity of the effects felt up to that point, so folks feel it deserves to represented as a separate word/concept.

Having thought about some more, I feel you have a point. I think that my problem with the term "k-hole" (and I suspect this is Iseme's problem too) is that it's always sounded a bit... well, silly. Furthermore the qualitative shift you mention just doesn't feel like a hole to me. I know it's not meant to literally be a hole of course, but for me the concept of a hole isn't a very good metaphor for what the experience is like. I just don't feel down inside anything. I guess others do though, or it wouldn't have gained so wide a currency as a term.

Of course, I don't have a better term, nor would I expect anyone to adopt it if I did. But I can't help disliking the term "k-hole" it and feeling that it's something of a misnomer, at least in my experience.

The k-hole is a very simple concept: body asleep, mind awake.
You can't move any part of your body.

Er... no. Why would anyone take a drug that simply paralysed them? Your cognative and emotional processes are radically changed on ket. That's the point of taking it.
 
What I'm getting is that "K-hole" means "taking a high dose of Ketamine".

So an 6-hole would be a "high dose of 6-apb"
and a "H-hole would be a "High dose of heroin" etc.
 
I disagree with the k in front of the hole, since it's not the only dissociative that can cause it, but the term itself I'm fine with. Most directly it would be comparable to the difference between a breakthrough and non-breakthrough dose of DMT or salvia.

and a "H-hole would be a "High dose of heroin" etc.

We call it "nodding" with opiates, though that's not quite so profound a shift, arguably.
 
I disagree with the k in front of the hole, since it's not the only dissociative that can cause it, but the term itself I'm fine with.

I agree that the "hole" is better than "k-hole", "m-hole" or as someone suggested earlier "p-hole". That one made me giggle.

Eyes like two p-holes in the snow.
 
What I'm getting is that "K-hole" means "taking a high dose of Ketamine".

So an 6-hole would be a "high dose of 6-apb"
and a "H-hole would be a "High dose of heroin" etc.

And some people would call a high dose of 6-APB "rolling balls". I would disagree that you can apply the same nomenclature to every class of drugs because they do not produce the same effects, a high dose of MDMA does not give me a similar feeling as a high dose of Ketamine, which sounds extremely obvious but it still seems like something is being lost in translation to you.

The "hole" (which I stated before, would not be my choice of term for it) state is something that I've found to be unique with the dissociative class, and each one has its own "hole" and the letter in front is just used to designate which substance you achieved that state on (hence "K-hole", "M-hole" etc.) to make it easier for the person you are communicating to understand.

I just wait for the day where a dissociative becomes popular that starts with "A" so we can all start using "A-hole"
 
do the people who disslike the term "k-hole" dislike the term "breaktrough experiance" too? if i would to invent a altenative term to k-hole it would be "quick peak behind the curtain" but that again would be overly poetic compared to "a high dose of some shit"
 
"What I'm getting is that "K-hole" means "taking a high dose of Ketamine".

So an 6-hole would be a "high dose of 6-apb"
and a "H-hole would be a "High dose of heroin" etc. "

are... are you serious?

Holes are something specific to dissociatives. This is really not a hard concept to grasp. Sigh...
 
The "hole" (which I stated before, would not be my choice of term for it) state is something that I've found to be unique with the dissociative class, and each one has its own "hole" and the letter in front is just used to designate which substance you achieved that state on (hence "K-hole", "M-hole" etc.) to make it easier for the person you are communicating to understand.

Yeah, it's unique to K because some fucking teenager made up the term "K-hole" 10 years ago and now everyone in the internet uses it. It's like Tim Leary coining the term "ego-death" for taking a high dose of acid 50 years ago. Now every teenage kid has got to say "I had an ego-death dude" or he feels he won't sound hardcore in his trip report.

I'm just pointing out there isn't a "hole" that you go down no matter how much K you take. It's a meaningless and misleading term for taking a high dose of K.

Jeez - every teenager who ever takes K now comes on the board and says "I didn't go down a hole, did I do it wrong dude?". Lets try and stop this bullshit before it goes on for another 20 years.
 
the onset of a k-hole ime often feels like "sinking" so that sounds kinda hole-y yeah? what ever the term it realy doesn't matter as long as we understand what we are talking about
 
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