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[Ketamine Subthread] First Time

Te0X2t said:
That's not possible... I call bullshit, don't get scared of K, it is a very fun drug especially when you smoke a joint and take 3 nice bumps...=) heaven... K-holing on the other hand you need to be in the mood for a new experience for that hahah.
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What's not possible? If you mean Ketamine bladder and kidney damage, it is, and it's highly prevalent and doesn't actually take all that long to present itself. Ketamine is an irritant and so damages the tissue that lines the walls of your organs as it passes through them.

Also measuring doses in bumps and lines, even with something as easy to dose as Ketamine, is a bad idea in general. If you want to K hole, a "big line" by one person's standards might not be enough. I always advise the 250mg mark, because it works both for beginners and for people with a slight tolerance/natural tolerance or slightly cut Ketamine. If you have a high tolerance it can take a lot more, but it's better to work your way up line by line if that's the case, rather than knocking yourself out by doing way too much at once. :D
 
First timer Ketamine questions

My friend has a few questions about taking Ketamine for the first time and would like some feedback from the community :)

The thing is , he's not big into needles and such so dosen't want to do an IM or IV route. He'd rather try insuflation (nasally) first time ( yes, he's heard it's a different experience that way ).
He way's around 140lbs.

Also, he wants to make clear that he's NOT really into "psychadelic" drugs he's more of an opiate guy , so what dose would he be looking at for just a sedative/relaxing non psychadelic experience ?

His last question is, that his friend has liquid ketamine in a "vile" that's still sealed and doesnt have much experience with "viles" and needles , so after he busts the seal, how do people usually store the Ketamine vile after once it's pierced ? ( Plastic wrap the top ? )

So he's going to evaporate the ketamine on a plate after squirting out the correct dosage from the syringe right ? ( What kind of heat setting is he looking at ? )

Anyways, I think that's all his friend wants to know.
 
It would be easier just to evaporate the whole vial then dose the powder. It makes it easier to store and transport after that
 
once u pour the liquid k onto a plate, dont place it directly onto a stove or burner, instead put it on top of two chopsticks across a pot of boiling water so the steam heats up and evaporates the k liquid. once the k become a powder, scrap it.

if he is sniffing. weigh out ur total dosage (probably ~ 125 - 150mg to khole for first timer). then, divide into several small lines and inhale using each nostril every 15 minutes. this way u can pace urself, and see how u are feeling, and actually absorb the stuff instead of having it go down into the stomach.
 
Busty St Clare is right, it'd be a whole lot easier to evaporate the whole thing first. If of course he doesn't have scales then evaporating a set amount at a time might work better.

I think a small line/bump of 40-60mg would be a good way of testing the waters, then he can work his way up from there if it's not enough with further small bumps (albeit half the size of that at least).

For most people the full on dissociation that is known as the K-hole doesn't come until 200mg+ insufflated, so he has a nice margin to work inside.

Just so you know, we already have a subthread for First Time Ketamine use, and this'll be merged with that one once you've had the chance to reply :)
 
Thanks for the replies guys.

Last question,

What should his friend expect bumping a 40-60mg dose in terms of "effects" ?
Can his Ketamine be substituted (enjoyed in an opiate way/fashion ? As in, used as a "relaxant" and not have to trip out?) His friend is just not comfortable with psychadelic experiences.


Sorry , I forgot about the subthread stuff.
 
Merged :)

Light dissociation, a nice feeling of relaxation etc.

Honestly to use it in an "opiate like fashion" you really have to explore the full on doses, e.g. the K hole. At this dose you're given complete relaxation, and drift off into a new place in your mind for the next hour.

Dissociatives and psychedelics are very different, so it depends what your friend fears from psychedelics. Dissociatives in my experience are very easy-going, you can go "all the way" with them without much fear. In fact I've only had negative emotions once during all of my many dissociative experiences, and that was one time when I dosed a lot more than I thought I did, and thought the hole was dying. (I hadn't read up, so I didn't know what to expect, and I thought I might have overdosed or something)

I don't feel there's much to be feared with dissociatives, quite the opposite in my experience, I find it impossible to be scared of much anything at all when I'm on them. If anything, that's what your friend should be fearing, the possible addiction and compulsiveness that comes with the ultimate form of "escapist" drugs, aka dissociatives.
 
Would anyone suggest attempting K for the first time on MDMA in a rave setting? I'm hitting up a big show in the city tomorrow night and have 500mg of crystal mdma to myself, and I'm planning on looking for and acquiring k sometime throughout the night. I've read plenty about it and have acquired a lot of information and have finally come to an educated conclusion to try it. I know to take small bumps of ~25mg and see how you feel after a while, as to not overdo it. Anything else I should be aware of? Will my motor skills remain mostly intact so I can dance and walk around, just as long as I don't do too much?

I'm very, very experienced with MDMA on it's own, and have mixed MDMA multiple times with 2c-e (fav. combo) and with 2c-e + LSD at raves before. Also experienced with other psychedelics like shrooms, vaping DMT, and various research chems

but k is on my list of desireables and am eager to try it
 
Yes low dose Ketamine shouldn't interfere with your motor skills too much, just be very careful, as all it takes is one bump too much and you'll be stumbling around like the village drunk ;)

It sounds like it'd be fun, but personally I'd purchase some and save it for later, then you can try it on its own before trying it in a combination. I find it's always better to see how you react to and enjoy a substance on its own before you mix it.
 
Ya that happened to my friend she looked like a walking zombie stumbling all over and even drooling and I was floored too but I had to take care of her it was really scary to see but then again she was already drunk when she took 2 molly capsules and snorted a ton of K she had offered to let me try it that night and I was glad I didn't
 
phatass said:
do small bumps (50 to 100mg depending on your size) until you're where you want to be, you might slip into a k-hole if you do enough, don't be scared, go with the flow...
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100mg is more than I would consider a "small bump" for a beginner...I'd say 20-50mg and you will probably only need one or two of those...
100mg would k hole a beginner straight away, and I don't think a hole on the first try would be desirable
 
First time Ketamine advice please...

Hi All,

I will shortly be having my first go at ketamine. I've spent a while reading the FAQ's and other si ilar threads here.

Now a couple of things I need to know is
1. I understand that as my first time i do small bumps. BuT how do i know what a small 25mg bump is? I wont have access to scales.

2.the type of high I was aiming for would be similar to coke or speed type of thing. Euphoric, chatty, social. Is this possible at he right dose of ketamine ?

3. I do NOT want to K-Hole or have a trippy experience as I've had my fair share of bad trips in my life. I hate that. I did enjoy ecstasy however, very much so. Can Ketamine be similar to that?

4. Mixing with other drugs.
I will have access to Valium, clonazepam and xanax as well as speed.
I was planning to use the benzos to aid the come down after the party. But can i use a little speed to boost the ketamine euphoria, or is this dangerous.

I wish to make it clear I just want a fun evening, safe and social, party at first, chilling later. But safe, without anxiety or fear.
I probably will not have access to any of these items after this weekend so abuse potential is minimal. Just sleep aids and pain relief which i need medically.

Hopefully someone has some experience they can share with me about some of these points?

Much appreciated.
 
1. The size of the eraser on an end of a pencil is roughly the size of 10-50mg.
Most people just use the end of a key.

2. It's possible but not very likely. You'll probably want to stay in one place. Ketamine is much closer to a sedative than a stimulant. Stimulatipon is totally possible at lower doses though.

3. No, ketamine is very different from MDMA. It's much more mindbending, trippy, hallucinogenic. Remember, ketamine is an anesthetic. It's much closer to a clearheaded alcohol drunk.

4. Ketamine and amphetamine can be combined but it seems a bit of a waste. No point in being stimulated but unable to think or move. Don't mix it with other sedatives/benzos because you're more likely to have memory loss and blackouts.

Just keep the doses low and don't do any big fat lines. Quite a few people just don't like how dissociatives make them feel.

Ketamine wears off in an hour or so, if you find you don't like it then you can go do something else after 1-2 hours since you took it.
 
Cool,

Just what i needed to know. A pea amount right? I want to be safe an not afraid or anxious in the slightest, to nights about fun. Socialising with mates, which i haven't done in eons. And escaping my predicament for a day.euphoria would be a big bonus.

But how come so many do get stimulantneffects from it on go on raves?
 
Merged :)

Since it seems you're going to be eyeballing your doses, it's worth remembering that when snorting Ketamine the come up is extremely fast, and it is very easy to redose. So just take the smallest possible bumps and wait a couple of minutes in between until you reach your desired level :)
 
yep, did my first bit of K!

Jesusgreen said:
Merged :)

Since it seems you're going to be eyeballing your doses, it's worth remembering that when snorting Ketamine the come up is extremely fast, and it is very easy to redose. So just take the smallest possible bumps and wait a couple of minutes in between until you reach your desired level :)
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Ok so i tried it!
To be honest I almost didn't, I was acually quite apprehensive after reading some of the posts here, plus im now extra cautious with drug interactions.
But at the end of the evening, just when I was going to go to bed, I took what i considered a small bump,it may have been a bit larger than I perhaps wanted, but I guess I kinda enjoyed it. It was just totally not what i was expecting. I was expecting a bit of stimulation with some level of euphoria. But i think I went a little beyond that. I lost focus, and the feeling I got was very hard to explain. I don't think I was near a k hole level or anything but i definateky had ah aaltered state of mind on a psychedelic level.
But as long as i chilled, laying in bed, I found watching tv quite intriguing, wasn't really frightened in the end and didn't feel trapped I don't think i took enough to get there.

But I think that's probably the max I wanted for my first go. I just don't know if I'll be craving more anytime soon. Perhaps if I too more the experience e would have been totally different but the last thing I wanted was a trapped trippy type thing.

I had done speed earlier in the evening and had come down off that with valium and used xanax to elp me sleep. Nothing was dne to excess, which I can't afford heaothwise anyway and I did enjoy the day. I think the sspeed was the biggest let down, it wasn't very our so it had short lived effects followed by feelings of tiredeness, much more quickly than I remember before.
Also, the ketamin hit didn't last very on either, less than an hour.

Now i think ifid been in my old frame of mind, ie a wreckless individual experimenting with limits, I could have ended up having a nightmare of a time.
But these things in moderation were ok. I did manage to escape my troubled mind for tthe majority of the evening.

Cheers all for helping me stay safe.
 
first time with the K

hi everyone,,
this saturday i'll probably trying ketamine for the first time.. I'll snort a 0.1 or 0.2.. I don't think it's too much at all but you know i just wanted to make sure coz it's my first time.. I regulary smoke pots and i tried dxm once (i've heard it's similiar to ketch) sooo any advice?
 
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Don't snort .1 all at once your first time. It is not dangerous but it may be overwhelming. I'd start with 25mgs like lightforce said wait 15 mins see how you feel snort another 25mg and go on from there if you feel the need to take more. The good thing about ketamine is it is very easy to control how high you get and it is short acting so if you take a little bit too much you wont be in for a long ride.
 
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