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Ketamine Discussion - Quality & Regional Info III

I'm extremely surprised that noone has been up in arms about the recent ACMD recommendation that ketamine be upgraded to Class B from its current status as Class C. It seems that this has come about due to the bladder problems it causes (no link's I'm afraid as I'm on my phone as it's too much hassle). This suggests that they are willing to tolerate tried & tested substances as long as no serious harm is observed. This is a great pity as I've never tried ket and now it looks like I never will as I don't move in the 'right' circles. Conversely, this should also imply that if novel substances (eg MXE) were to be properly tested and shown to do no significant harm, then they should receive no more than a C classification. However, this could take years and realistically will never happen.
 
I hadn't noticed that. Doesn't make much difference to the average punter, does it? Obviously it's shit that it's illegal in the first place, and it's shit that the penalties are (I mean, probably will be) more serious, but will it actually make a difference to the availability? Weed is class B but that's not unavailable. Did anyone notice any difference in the availability or price of weed when that was reclassified?
 
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In my experience the dealers who sell ket usually sell md (class A) as well so don't think they would be phased by the class upgrade.

It is bollocks though and yeah you're right about it never working in reverse.

I was always surprised ket was in a lower class than weed tbh. Guessing it's just because weed is more common (logic? none).
 
Soz to double post (i don't have the edit option on my phone for some reason). But it could affect availability as the recommendations include much tighter storage controls. AFAIK, a lot of ket is diverted from legal supplies, and internet availability could also be hit. Or am I talking shite? :-)
 
Well you do have a point there. In the short term that may well affect availability. In the long term it comes down to demand, there are many people who want to buy ket and therefore money to be made from selling it, so I suppose the price might go up if it takes more effort to get onto the black market. And if that means that the the trade moves into the hands of more "serious" criminals, then that may also mean that quality goes down as cuts are more likely to be used.

So yeah if they do implement more stringent controls, I can see it being a problem. OK, time to get up in arms!
 
As far as I've learnt, most 'street ket' it is made illicitly in asian/indian labs that also produce it for legitimate purposes, so it's probably already 'diverted' before it enters the country. However, a reclassification could imply (at least temporarily) tighter border controls, I guess.

In most ways it looks like a pointlessly aggressive move which will only further saturate the courts with non-violent drug users and low-volume 'casual' suppliers, if the recommendation is accepted. Nothing about the consequences of it sound pretty at all. Having said that, it could be seen as progressive, in the sense that it's a move away from classifying drugs based on stigma and towards classification based on harm. That is the only way in which it could be seen as progressive, though, and it seems like a short-sighted form of 'progression.' IMO it's a mistake to try to shimmy the existing MODA towards a completely different system. See 're-arranging the furniture on the titanic' for more figurative information...
 
Dabbled...since it was Boxing Day and New Years and was with a good crowd. I can manage it now, but 200mg+ and the next day those cramps are unbearable. But that's it for another few months. I love this shit and 4-aco-dmt combined, fuckin bliss.
 
After persevering with some really crappy fine shardy stuff, yesterday I stumbled upon the best ket I've ever had in years. Really clean, crisp, s-isomer headspace and amazing afterglow even in the face of some nasty sleep deprivation. Anybody else had any of it? Long may it continue :)
 
I've noticed the majority of ket I've seen lately has been more on the s-isomer side of things but I don't use it as often as more so bit harder to tell. Has been a long time since I've seen shard'y key though, it's generally always been powdery, short lasting but strongly psychedelic gear. I prefer the other stuff as I find I consume less ket overall since the duration is longer, but haven't seen any of that kind that's quality has been up to par in a very, very long time.
 
I 'relapsed' recently and was pissing blood within 48 hours. It was weird though because I normally start cramping before the blood comes but I didn't cramp up, just painful piss with blood in it. Odd - It's usually the other way round. Ketamine's helluva drug. There doesn't seem to be many chemicals that despite users being aware of something as serious as their bladder being removed carry on anyway. It isn't even like the bladder damage has a fast impact, you know you're damaging your bladder and it takes time and dedication to damage it to the point of removal, people still carry on.
 
Erm, what about heroin users continuing to inject in their groin, even though they already have DVT and might lose a leg because of it. What about cocaine abusers continuing to use even though their septum has dissolved. What about alcoholics continuing to drink when they have cirrhosis of the liver. It's all relative, and until now, the powers that be obviously didn't realise that ket could cause lasting problems like this.
 
I have been arrested with like 0.3 of ket before, went down on the sheet as class A cocaine, daft bastards they assume any powder is cocaine for some reason even as i was explaining it to them, still spent many hours in a cell. If it was any other class c drug then I wouldnt have been arrested.. I would not have been arrested had it been like a gram of weed.

Uncle Roberts right though, everyone I know who sells ket sells md.. more for the "party recreational" crowd I guess, none of my coke dealers sell anything but coke and none of the people who sell weed sell anything else, I guess it would be hard to come by if my one source would be suddenly to disappear.. but the internet these days I dont think I will ever experience a drought of anything.

I thought the damage what ket did has been plainly obvious for over 10 years? Its just the increased usage among the population seems to have brought it more into the spotlight.
 
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Erm, what about heroin users continuing to inject in their groin, even though they already have DVT and might lose a leg because of it. What about cocaine abusers continuing to use even though their septum has dissolved. What about alcoholics continuing to drink when they have cirrhosis of the liver. It's all relative, and until now, the powers that be obviously didn't realise that ket could cause lasting problems like this.
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and the really obvious one, smokers puffing away through a hole in their neck.
 
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I thought the damage what ket did has been plainly obvious for over 10 years? Its just the increased usage among the population seems to have brought it more into the spotlight.
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Ah yes, you're right - I heard about the bladder issues ages ago. But I thought that ketamine use was on the wane, having reached a high point some time ago? I'm not very well informed about ket but I believe it has been getting increasingly hard to obtain, no? Just curious as to why the powers that be have decided to call for a reclassification now...
 
Anybody know the (physical) health problems caused by IMing ket? That John Lilly fella injected it daily for something like 30 years, and died in his 80s of heart failure.
 
Well there's your answer, it will kill you when you're in your 80s!

I think John Lilly was using medical grade ketamine, not stuff cooked up in a yurt. I suspect the main risks are infection from non-sterile practises, and whatever risks you would see from the cuts in street ket. Seeing as the cuts could be any of a wide range of things, it would be hard to list all the possible health problems.

Are you using medical (or veterinary) grade ket?
 
Nah, although I would like to try IM and would only use it right out the vial if I did.

By medical grade do you mean right out the vial?

Pretty tired so excuse all the edits.
 
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