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Ketamine Discussion - Quality & Regional Info III

How has this thread falled so behind?

Quality shit all over leeds, had one of the most intense holes of my life and my head all twisted after having A bedtime line, mental stuff. Dunno if it was the isomer shit or something but there was something special about thsis ket

20/g (or probably 0.7s) though, which i guess is standard but i imagine itl be still stupid prices in bulk

I think the reason this thread had so much momentum before was because of that damned drought. A lot to discuss.

I've pitifully relapsed after a four month break. Was aiming for six. If I can be clean this Christmas period, I will be very proud of myself. Last year I approximately hoofed about 30g's in a 2 month period. Dark times.

Prices down now to 20 and the quality is reasonably high. Ironically the the best K I ever had was during the drought. Nothing since or before has beaten it. One tiny bag of absolute gold.
 
I used to be really bad on k, all day everyday to the point i would've ended up with a a catheter bag, and now i only do it once in a while when i'm out n that after a break, it is possible :) Just dont but in bulk and you'l be aite, you aiming for 100% off it or just to regain some control?

Its always been 20s round here but i think there was long my mates said when it was complete and utter gash. I miss them lovely bottles of ketasol
 
Well, I'm going to give a six month abstinence a shot again once I've finished this gram. Then build on from there - go for a whole year if I manage six months successfully. I want to slowly ease it out of my life. It's done me no real favours. I just don't want to hit my late twenties and end up with some serious bladder issues - not worth it. Even if the stuff can be bloody magical!
 
Is there a comparison anywhere on the different effects of ketamine isomers? Cause this stuff i've got, its deffo k and very very strong k but its really different to the stuff thats noirmally around here, havnt thought about it for ages but it really feel;s different. I've had this type of k hih before but not very often at all.

All the ket round the uk is racemic right? Anyone tried just s-isomer ketamine? I also have no idea what i am talking about
 
Well, there is this post, CK. Not seen fairnymph posting on EADD for a while, where and how are you fn? Jesus vBulletin wants to cause me a headache with the markup here :!

Most ketamine is racemic, i.e. it is composed of equal parts S/(+) and R/(-) ketamine. The (+) isomer of ketamine is more potent than the (-) isomer. It also seems that (+) ketamine would be superior as a psychedelic tool, for a number of reasons.

Some facts/differences worth noting:

In a study which used male adults, the amount of ketamine needed for total anaesthesia was ~271 mg (+) ketamine vs ~409 mg racemic ketamine.

(+) ketamine is generally considered to be approx. 2-3 times more potent than (-) ketamine.
(+) ketamine is cleared from the body in HALF the time it takes for racemic ketamine. The clearance of (-) ketamine takes only slightly longer than racemic ketamine.
(-) ketamine significantly inhibits the clearance of (+) ketamine. This means that if you have pure (+) ketamine, after you come out of a k-hole, the aftereffects of the k will wear off more quickly than they would if you had done racemic ketamine.
(+) ketamine inhibits the dopamine transporter 8 times more potently than (-) ketamine.

However, application of S(+)-ketamine was associated with a remarkably smoother emergence period, a profound postoperative analgesia, a more rapid recovery of cerebral functions, and a greater preference by the study persons. The incidence of psychotomimetic phenomena appeared to be negligibly less after S(+)-ketamine in comparison to racemic ketamine, but their quality was described as far less unpleasant. Clinical use of S(+)-ketamine administered at one-half of the usual dose is thus not only associated with a reduction of undesirable adverse effects without altering ketamine's anaesthetic and analgesic potency, but also offers distinctive improvements due to the reduced drug load. Moreover, increasing experimental evidence supports a remarkable neuroprotective effect of S(+)-ketamine, which may become a promising drug for new therapeutic approaches to neuroprotection.

It was found that (S)-ketamine binds with a 3-4 time higher affinity to the PCP binding site of the NMDA receptor than (R)-ketamine, and that at these concentrations (R)-ketamine interacts also weakly with the sigma receptor sites, where (S)-ketamine binds only negligibly....R)-ketamine did not produce psychotic symptoms, but a state of relaxation. The (S)-ketamine-induced metabolic hyperfrontality appears to parallel similar metabolic findings in acute psychotic schizophrenic patients and encourages further investigations of glutamatergic disturbances in schizophrenia.

This leads me to believe that the psychedelic effects of racemic ketamine are being produced by the (+) isomer. This would further lead me to conclude that pure (+) ketamine would be more psychedelic in its subjective effects -- as well as less sedating (as noted in the study).


With sub-anaesthetic doses of ketamine in humans, 50% of the test subjects who took racemic ketamine experienced anterograde amnesia (could not remember portions of the k-experience) , while only 8% of those who took (+) ketamine experienced amnesia. This means that your ability to recall a ketamine trip would be greatly improved if you were taking pure (+) ketamine.

Subjective mood was judged by the volunteers to be significantly better after S-(+)-ketamine, and volunteers found S-(+)-ketamine to be more acceptable than racemic ketamine. The frequency of dreams was the same after both drugs. No unpleasant dreams were reported after S-(+)-ketamine, but one of the volunteers who received racemic ketamine had uncomfortable dreams. It seems that (+) ketamine has a distinct positive vibe to it, unlike racemic ketamine which is more neutral (or even negative) in its psychological effects.
 
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^ v. interesting

Will definitely pay more attention when it's marketed as s-isomer. Usually buy it off the street (cheaper) so no choice but the guy selling lately is a bit cheeky with what he calls a gram.
 
I have done K on several occasions now!! on one occasion i got what i was told was S isomer stuff from a trusted source.. F**K me it was possibly the best experience i have ever had with any drug, it was a really nice buzz!! I have still yet to match that high, and unfortunately can't get my hands on it again :(

Such a fun drug ;)
 
Finally getting some s-isomer tonight after months of mediocre racemic.
Massive chunky crystals apparently.

Happy fuckin daze! %)
 
I posted my ketamine sorry over in the thread about 'best club drug' just now. Matthew you said a gram in an hour and a half? That's madness I always remember people saying to each other just to take a tiny little bump when we were in the clubs in Ibiza or else they would be too fucked up. I've never done it it scares
F*** out of me I explained Italy about what happened in thee other thread..you must build up a tolerance Matt right to do
That much?
 
Matthew you said a gram in an hour and a half? That's madness

Some people's tolerance is indeed madness! (& seemingly irreversable).

I often rack up 2 half gram lines at a time. Bit fuckin ridiculous tbh. Should really be IMing when tolerance gets to that stage but i'm still not bothered with needles. I just put up with the odd cramp (as crippling as they can be)!
 
^ I was mixing it with speed last weekend. (Not in the same line but do like a bit of phet when the K wares off.) Prefer cocaine tho. CK FTW! %)
 
I posted my ketamine sorry over in the thread about 'best club drug' just now. Matthew you said a gram in an hour and a half? That's madness I always remember people saying to each other just to take a tiny little bump when we were in the clubs in Ibiza or else they would be too fucked up. I've never done it it scares
F*** out of me I explained Italy about what happened in thee other thread..you must build up a tolerance Matt right to do
That much?

Yes tolerance is a bitch :( very little effect too

It's an amazing substance, hence why abusing the shit out of it wrecks it and yourself, when you can walk semi normally after more than half a gram line then it's time to give it a rest

She be a harsh mistress aye
 
Just been speaking to someone & I got to ask, how hard is this stuff to cook?
Got alot of liquid on offer to me & not to keen on shooting it if I am honest so cooking it up is my only option.
 
Its piss easy, pour some out on a plate and leave it overnight and itd stil evaporate leaving the k
 
Its piss easy, pour some out on a plate and leave it overnight and itd stil evaporate leaving the k

Thank You :)
Sorry to sound dumb but I've never come across it in this form before, K is rare round here. people tend to be all on the gear.

How many grams can you expect out of a vial?
 
Its piss easy, pour some out on a plate and leave it overnight and itd stil evaporate leaving the k

Or if you're impatient like me, pour it onto a plate which is sat on top of a pan of boiling water. Much quicker that way. Some folks I knew used to put the plate in the microwave but that seems like too intense a heat for me.
 
^aye I actually do that exact method. I've only cooked up vials of the stuff though itd have to be pretty big plate for a half litre or a litre
 
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